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well if u think weapons make armies win then Nato should have conquered Afghanistan successfully and Afghanistan would have been peaceful but sadly President of Afghanistan is famously dubbed as Mayor of kabul
well i think they are banned but experts in here can confirm .. i think with more lobbying Pakistan can get its hands on J11b and also Pakistanis are thinking to jump on 5th generation fighter like j31 soo i hope they come up with something better more advanced and not very costly fighter....
Archie bhaiya ne side badal diWho wants to Bet that the deal for 36 Rafales will include a follow up order clause for 63 aircrafts just like the original Tender
@shree835
My concern is not the low numbers of Rafale but the total reduction in our numbers. By the time we will receive the 2 squadrons of Rafale , we will have to retire 4 squadrons of Mig27s, at least 4 of Mig21s and 2 of Jaguars. To replace all of these, we will at best have 2 squadrons of Rafale, 2 squadrons of Su30mki and 2 squadrons of Tejas. We still fall short of 4 squadrons. We need to get second hand mirages and new Mig29s to fill up the gap .
Indian airforce number game, we might be slightly short on the Jets being replaced. However, there is a huge technology leap. Newer planes means higher availability, more time in air ==== to higher numbers of sorties.
Second...............IAF will reduce the numbers of jets in each squadrons thereby keeping the number of squadrons.
So, same numbers of squadrons and higher number of available sorties will keep IAF on its toes.
At any point of time as a thumb rule 5-10% of your fleet are dedicated N delivery optionsF7( Mig 21) to J11 ( Su30) is abig big leap. So why is China replacing their force 1 for 1?
Because numbers are important.
Even if God grants us one aircraft equal to all of PAF , we will still loose .
That's the truth.
And also take into consideration that not more than 65%of the fleet will be air worthy at any given time.
I am sorry buddy but its highly idotic to reduce the squadron strength just to keep up the required squadron number.
In reality doing so is similar to painting an old Truck with new paint. The problem will not be solved,only it will be hidden for some time untill it grows so much that its incurable .
@MastanKhan @Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA sir I would request you to put up your views on the importance of numbers , for a country like India.
F7( Mig 21) to J11 ( Su30) is abig big leap. So why is China replacing their force 1 for 1?
Because numbers are important.
Even if God grants us one aircraft equal to all of PAF , we will still loose .
That's the truth.
And also take into consideration that not more than 65%of the fleet will be air worthy at any given time.
I am sorry buddy but its highly idotic to reduce the squadron strength just to keep up the required squadron number.
In reality doing so is similar to painting an old Truck with new paint. The problem will not be solved,only it will be hidden for some time untill it grows so much that its incurable .
@MastanKhan @Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA sir I would request you to put up your views on the importance of numbers , for a country like India.
F7( Mig 21) to J11 ( Su30) is abig big leap. So why is China replacing their force 1 for 1?
Because numbers are important.
Even if God grants us one aircraft equal to all of PAF , we will still loose .
That's the truth.
And also take into consideration that not more than 65%of the fleet will be air worthy at any given time.
I am sorry buddy but its highly idotic to reduce the squadron strength just to keep up the required squadron number.
In reality doing so is similar to painting an old Truck with new paint. The problem will not be solved,only it will be hidden for some time untill it grows so much that its incurable .
@MastanKhan @Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA sir I would request you to put up your views on the importance of numbers , for a country like India.
Hi,
I think that the EUPHORIA for a conflict between India and Pakistan needs to dissipate in thin air----.
Just look at the destruction caused in Syria and Libya with just conventional weapons is atrocious----. I think that opponents should come off their high horses and elephants---come down to the ground and smell the dirt---talk to each other and resolve the issues---.
The world has become a terrible place in fighting the american wars---. The promise of shiny and fancy american weapons does work like an aphrodisiac---but if you could just come out of it for a moment---and let sanity prevail---you might envision death and destruction that they will cause.
Why would the IAF be willing to wait 6-7 years (assuming delivery of follow-ons would take place begining in 2022-3) for just 2-3 more SQNs? During that time the number of MiG-21 and 27 SQNs phased out will be vastly more and only offset by the LCA and MKI inductions to a marginal degree. With the IAF stating its itent to realise its legal sanction of 42 SQN by 2025-27 it ins't going to get anywhere near by this precription of yours my friend.If you look at our purchase history over last 20 years
Then you will see that India always places follow on order once initial contract is completed
I do expect a follow on order for 36-44 Rafales to be placed around year 2020, if only because the Ruskies screwed the PAKFA
Also I expect a third order for 36-48 Rafale M for INS Vishal if USA doesn't gives us the F35 C
And who told you that you need to replace Mig 21 whose major role is point defence and air policing during peace time with Rafale....To be frank the best option we have to replace Mig 21 is LCA tejas and SAM squadrons....And as far MIG 27 are concern they can be replaced with 36 Rafale and remaining Su 30mki....Why would the IAF be willing to wait 6-7 years (assuming delivery of follow-ons would take place begining in 2022-3) for just 2-3 more SQNs? During that time the number of MiG-21 and 27 SQNs phased out will be vastly more and only offset by the LCA and MKI inductions to a marginal degree. With the IAF stating its itent to realise its legal sanction of 42 SQN by 2025-27 it ins't going to get anywhere near by this precription of yours my friend.
Has anyone (who doubts at least 126 Rafales coming to the iAF) been able to provide a credible answer to where the shortfall will be made up? It certainly won't be with an increase in orders for the LCA or MKI (the IAF has ruled out the latter and no one who considers themselves to have a sane mind would prescribe inducting the LCA as a substitute for a heavy weight twin engined Western 4.5++ jet- that two in 2020- when the threat perception will be very different to today). The ACM stated in October 2015 that to meet current requirements the IAF requires at least 6 SQNs of the Rafale- the 126 figure is clearly still intact. Now factor in that this has been the IAF's projected requirement since at least 1999 (when they first started looking to acquire this numner of Mirage 2000s), one has to only assume that this number is on the low side and the IAF's requirements will have inflated by now- especially when the FGFA is literally nowhere to be seen.
And who told you that you need to replace Mig 21 whose major role is point defence and air policing during peace time with Rafale....To be frank the best option we have to replace Mig 21 is LCA tejas and SAM squadrons....And as far MIG 27 are concern they can be replaced with 36 Rafale and remaining Su 30mki....
I know but that doesn't means that you should replace entire fleet of Light fighter jet with Heavy Fighter jets...I am sure you are aware that the Squadrons which fly the Su30MKI, earlier were equiped with Mig21 and Mig23
We have replaced 6 airwings comprising 14 Sqds of Mig21 and 4 Sqds of Mig23 with 5 Airwings of Su30MKI comprising 12 Sqds
I bet . t won't be..Who wants to Bet that the deal for 36 Rafales will include a follow up order clause for 63 aircrafts just like the original Tender