What's new

India close to sealing Rs 23,000 crore lease deal for Russian N-sub

Rajesh Kumar

BANNED
Joined
Sep 6, 2018
Messages
285
Reaction score
-5
Country
India
Location
India
India close to sealing Rs 23,000 crore lease deal for Russian N-sub
With delays in the indigenous SSN programme, the Navy is banking on another leased submarine from Russia.
samara.jpeg


The crew of Russia's Akula-class nuclear-powered attack submarine Samara line up on its deck during a naval parade rehearsal at the harbour of Russia's far eastern city of Vladivostok. (Photo: Reuters)
HIGHLIGHTS
  • Talks are on for leasing another Akula-2 class nuclear powered attack submarine from Russia for $3.3 billion
  • It will replace INS Chakra, which was taken on a 10-year lease from Russia for $2.5 billion in 2011
  • Indian naval delegation inspected two Akula-2 class SSNs- Bratsk and Samara, in Russia last week

The photo backdrop to Admiral Sunil Lanba's annual Navy Day press conference on December 3 was a timely one. It showed a submerged Akula class nuclear powered attack submarine, firing a missile. Talks of leasing another Akula-2 class SSN from Russia to replace the INS Chakra at the end of its ten year lease, have reached a crescendo within the Navy in recent weeks.

Last week, a naval delegation led by Inspector General (Nuclear Safety) Vice Admiral Soonil V Bhokare returned after a tour of Russia. They inspected two Akula-2 class submarines, the Bratsk and the Samara, laid up for a deep refit at the Zvezdochka shipyard in the Arctic port of Severodvinsk. The delegation also included a Joint Secretary (Finance) in the MoD discussed the lease of one of these submarines reportedly for USD 3.3 billion (Rs 23,000 crore).

The Indian side is believed to have agreed to this amount and this could be the biggest defence deal after the two countries following the USD 5.4 billion (Rs 40,000 crore) purchase of five S-400 air defence missile systems in October and a USD 1.5 billion deal to buy two Admiral Grigorovich class frigates from Russia.


The naval delegation's visit was followed by a four-day visit to Russia by Admiral Lanba, where he reportedly discussed the Chakra lease and the construction of conventional submarines in India.





The Navy single Akula-2 class submarine, the INS Chakra, was taken on a ten year lease from Russia for USD 2.5 billion in 2011. Officials said the cost of the leasing its replacement, tentatively called the Chakra-3, was worked out after considering a cost escalation using the 2011 lease amount as a base.

Both the Bratsk and the Samara were shipped from a Russian naval base in Kamchatka to Severodvinsk in 2014, rather dramatically as deck cargo on a heavy load carrying merchant vessel. Both submarines were built at the Komsomolsk Shipyard on the Amur River in the Russian Far East and are not exactly new. The Bratsk is a 28-year-old hull while the Samara is 23 years old.

The Navy will soon select one of these hulls to lease. After the Inter Governmental Agreement (IGA) is signed between the two countries, the submarine will be put through an intensive 72-month deep refit and rebuild, where the nuclear reactor will be replaced and a number of indigenous systems installed on board. The INS Chakra in contrast, had a shorter four- year refit between 2004 and 2008 because it did not require a reactor replacement, usually the most challenging part of a nuclear submarine's overhaul.

SSNs use a nuclear reactor for propulsion but are usually armed with conventional weapons like missiles and torpedoes to hunt other warships and submarines and strike at targets on land. Strategic analyst Rear Admiral Raja Menon calls them 'the ultimate arbiters of power', simply for their lethality and versatility. SSNs can be used for multiple tasks like hunting enemy submarines, escorting SSBNs and aircraft carriers and stalking and chasing enemy aircraft carriers and their warship escorts. SSNs differ from nuclear-missile armed SSBNs like the Navy's INS Arihant which completed a deterrent patrol last month. If SSBNs are like bombers, then SSNs are like fighter jets. The plan has five SSNs and is building three more.

All of the Indian Navy's tasks are currently performed by its single platform, the INS Chakra. The submarine was non operational for nearly a year after suffering an accident when some of the panels covering its sonar dome had sheared away while it was doing a high speed underwater run. Admiral Lanba on Monday confirmed that the Chakra had now returned to service. The vessel's ten-year lease expires in January 2022 and it is thus entirely possible that this lease could be extended for another three years to allow for the new submarine.

The Navy's bid for a fresh submarine comes at a time when it is struggling to build six 6,000 tonne indigenous SSNs. At his press conference last December, Admiral Lanba confirmed that the design work on the SSNs had commenced. Last month, however, Admiral Lanba told India Today that the launch of the first indigenous SSN was 'over a decade away', suggesting all is not well.

Naval analysts have taken this long lead time to build the submarine to mean that the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) is yet to crack the main piece of the SSN puzzle- developing a nuclear powered reactor. BARC developed an 83 MW reactor with Russian assistance for the Arihant class SSBNs which are meant to quietly lurk out at sea while on patrol. Experts say using this reactor design won't do because of the very high output requirements for an SSN's reactor- rapid starts and very high sustained speeds when in battle.

There is perhaps yet another reason for continued access to the Akula class submarine. At 13,500 tonnes each, the three S-5 class of SSBNS which are soon to start building at the Ship Building Centre in Vizag, are double the displacement of the Arihant class. They have a displacement similar to that of the the Akula-2 class. While the roles of the two submarines are entirely different, the size is the same. At least one source suggests the S-5 is based on the Akula design. The S-5 boats are larger variants of the Arihant class with a larger hull diameter to carry a dozen longer-range SLBMs (the two Arihant class carry can carry four K-4 missiles, the S-4 and S-4*, eight missiles).


https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...ase-deal-for-russian-n-sub-1401875-2018-12-04
 
. .
Can you please stop spending all those hard earned money on these vodka maniacs? It's 3 billion just for 'renting'. Are you guys dumb or something? Seriously, even though I am Chinese, it's heartbreaking seeing a fellow Asian getting exploited and milked. Imagine how much food it would have provided to those starving countrymen of yours.
 
.
Can you please stop spending all those hard earned money on these vodka maniacs? It's 3 billion just for 'renting'. Are you guys dumb or something? Seriously, even though I am Chinese, it's heartbreaking seeing a fellow Asian getting exploited and milked. Imagine how much food it would have provided to those starving countrymen of yours.


I agree, 3.3 Billion dollars could get us a couple AIP Subs. Having said that, there is always more to these "nuclear sub lease" deals, and it often acts as cover for some secret strategic deals.
 
.
$3 Billion to park a sub off Karachi or Gwadar for two months every now and again. At best you get acoustic signatures and traffic analysis. India's the one pushing the Arms race in the region, Pakistan is just responding. Even if takes 10 more years to field an Indian SSN, it won't changes the regional calculus. Save the $3 billion. Spending it on infrastructure. Economic development, soft power and resolving regional disputes through dialogue will go further to attaining regional leadership.
 
.
$3 Billion to park a sub off Karachi or Gwadar for two months every now and again. At best you get acoustic signatures and traffic analysis. India's the one pushing the Arms race in the region, Pakistan is just responding. Even if takes 10 more years to field an Indian SSN, it won't changes the regional calculus. Save the $3 billion. Spending it on infrastructure. Economic development, soft power and resolving regional disputes through dialogue will go further to attaining regional leadership.
Exactly, you think China is gonna nuke India? Even if we nuke India, US and Russia will retaliate and it will be the end of the world. So please stop burning cash, use that 3billion$ to build some decent infrastructure. Stop having this SUPAPOWA mentality.
 
.
I agree, 3.3 Billion dollars could get us a couple AIP Subs. Having said that, there is always more to these "nuclear sub lease" deals, and it often acts as cover for some secret strategic deals.
Why don't they use the same boat / renew the lease ?

Exactly, you think China is gonna nuke India? Even if we nuke India, US and Russia will retaliate and it will be the end of the world. So please stop burning cash, use that 3billion$ to build some decent infrastructure. Stop having this SUPAPOWA mentality.

Agreed. But this is not a Ssbn rather SSN.
 
.
Why don't they use the same boat / renew the lease ?



Agreed. But this is not a Ssbn rather SSN.

They probably will, unless Russia has urgent requirement for the vessel. The original plans called for two Akulas in service with IN.

There is also speculation, that this deal is a cover for ToT for the Indian SSN programme, for 6 SSNs, estimated to be worth INR 180,000 crores ($25-30 billion). Russia may choose to partner with India for this requirement. We know France has had contacts with IN regarding this requirement and provided clues as to the level of support they could provide for.
 
.
They probably will, unless Russia has urgent requirement for the vessel. The original plans called for two Akulas in service with IN.

There is also speculation, that this deal is a cover for ToT for the Indian SSN programme, for 6 SSNs, estimated to be worth INR 180,000 crores ($25-30 billion). Russia may choose to partner with India for this requirement. We know France has had contacts with IN regarding this requirement and provided clues as to the level of support they could provide for.
IIRC, Rafale deal did have components / assistance deal for Kaveri and SSN
 
.
Why don't they use the same boat / renew the lease ?

I am guessing INS Chakra-2 must be due for a major refit which could put it out of service for a couple of years. In that case, it would be better to get another boat to ensure availability of a SSN till the time the indigenous SSN start rolling out.
 
.
Total waste of money.
Cant really guess what is behind all these decisions ?
Govts normally have more information than in public domain but some logic has to be their behind renting a sub for 3 b usd.
Some public resistance is required to these adhoc decisions. Let them explain their decision.
I remember the money wasted on the scrap carrier bought from uk. And the sea king helios.
 
. .
Total waste of money.
Cant really guess what is behind all these decisions ?
Govts normally have more information than in public domain but some logic has to be their behind renting a sub for 3 b usd.
Some public resistance is required to these adhoc decisions. Let them explain their decision.
I remember the money wasted on the scrap carrier bought from uk. And the sea king helios.
3 billion$ invested in an indigenous program would have been a game changer, alas, some navy officers is getting fat.
 
.
India needs SSNs in large numbers as its own indigenous SSN is now in design phase only and more concentrating SSBNs in arihant class, there is also an P75i programme also for atleast 6 submarines which will have AIP ,also the kalvari class will also be subsequently fitted with AIP too,it also part of becoming the blue water navy,some mocking priorities of India needs to have a self reflection ,that this kind of talk we are listening from the west from the 50s
 
.
Is that a proverb???

Proverbial post.

Can you please stop spending all those hard earned money on these vodka maniacs? It's 3 billion just for 'renting'. Are you guys dumb or something? Seriously, even though I am Chinese, it's heartbreaking seeing a fellow Asian getting exploited and milked. Imagine how much food it would have provided to those starving countrymen of yours.

No one gives ToT on nuke subs even for money. Russia is the only one which helps India.

I agree, 3.3 Billion dollars could get us a couple AIP Subs. Having said that, there is always more to these "nuclear sub lease" deals, and it often acts as cover for some secret strategic deals.

This what many do not understand or pretend not to understand.

3 billion$ invested in an indigenous program would have been a game changer, alas, some navy officers is getting fat.

This includes ToT for the indigenous nuke sub program.

Total waste of money.
Cant really guess what is behind all these decisions ?
Govts normally have more information than in public domain but some logic has to be their behind renting a sub for 3 b usd.
Some public resistance is required to these adhoc decisions. Let them explain their decision.
I remember the money wasted on the scrap carrier bought from uk. And the sea king helios.

No one is going to question or explain classified strategic programs.

IIRC, Rafale deal did have components / assistance deal for Kaveri and SSN

No ToT on nuke subs. It is not legally allowed.
 
.

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Country Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom