INDIA-CHINA STANDOFF OUTCOME

[faithfulguy]

why are u so cocerned about us, do u think these lazy politicians will led u to win whole india.
remmember mongol king ,when he won all ur china he thought to conquer india ,he was defeated remmember ghazni the muslim kings when they wre fair in war we defeated them 16 times but at 17th time they betrayed us .
this shows on one on one no one can match us
but please we are not interested in war we are busy against corruption and making country rich and healthy dont disturb us.

How about Mughals and the British. How did they do in India?

 

[Srinivas]

best thing for me is to give Indian the land, with conditions.

China could support Indian seat in Permanent member of UN.

-India must accept Chinese hegemony in the south china sea and break off any military ties to the countries involved until the dispute is solved.

- India must never station troops too close to the new border and any infrastructure must be for economics and not have war waging capabilities.

- India accepts Chinese presents in Pakistan, and will not object to any relationship between China and the rest of Indian neighbors.

- India should allow Chinese weapons to be a competitor in weapons deals.

- India needs to banish all Tibetan government and actively promote Tibet being part of China.

Simple thing for China to do is vacate IOR and South Asia and never look at this region for decades. Otherwise the out come would be disaster for both the nations.

The Noise coming from China is of no use, what ever build up you are doing on your side, India can counter it easily and also play its own cards well.

 

[anilindia]

Nuclear War..

Outcome

 

[deep hacker here]

How about Mughals and the British. How did they do in India?

muslims are mughals, britishers backstabbed us ,they said they are here for trade esat india company then they started bribing and all that they didnt rule for 200 years it took hem 150 years to conquer all india then they were thrown out in 50 years with mahatama gandhi peacefull efforts but if bhagat singh would have gone its way my grandfather said all country men were ready to get shot rather slave and they shot millions then their ammunition get empty and indians kicked them out peacefully.

Nuclear War..

Outcome

pleaseeeeeeeeeee

 

[beijingwalker]

just the increment of growth in China's economy is larger than the entire economies of Russia and India combined. Indeed, in the half decade since the financial crisis, 40 percent of all growth in the global economy has occurred in China.
Last year, the economy of China expanded by $1 trillion; Russia and India grew by $100 billion;

We can boost our defence budget the size of India's GDP with ease if we want to do it.there is no way for India to match us in anything any time soon.

 

[Jackdaws]

We can boost our defence budget the size of India's GDP with ease if we want to do it.there is no way for India to match us in anything any time soon.

LOL - India's GDP is about 2 trillion - China's is about 7.5 trillion. Let's see you boost your defence budget to over 25% of your GDP. Another North Korea in the making - birds of a feather, flock together. I hope the Politburo has more sense than you do.

How about Mughals and the British. How did they do in India?

One's confined to the dustbins of history, the other is now the 51st state of the USA and is increasingly irrelevant on the world stage. That's how they did. What do they teach in China?

 

[beijingwalker]

LOL - India's GDP is about 2 trillion - China's is about 7.5 trillion. Let's see you boost your defence budget to over 25% of your GDP.

less than 25%

 

[Developereo]

best thing for me is to give Indian the land, with conditions.

The importance of the land is strategic, not economic. China is not foolish enough to abandon that land.

China could support Indian seat in Permanent member of UN.

Why? None of the permanent members really wants to dilute their veto power, regardless of what they say,

-India must accept Chinese hegemony in the south china sea and break off any military ties to the countries involved until the dispute is solved.

Compared to the US military presence in the region, Indian military involvement is the least of China's concerns.

- India must never station troops too close to the new border and any infrastructure must be for economics and not have war waging capabilities.

Most infrastructure is dual purpose, or can be claimed so.

- India accepts Chinese presents in Pakistan, and will not object to any relationship between China and the rest of Indian neighbors.

Since when does China need, or care about, India's permission to do business with sovereign countries?

- India should allow Chinese weapons to be a competitor in weapons deals.

Why would China want its weapons to be inspected by India?

 

[Jackdaws]

less than 25%

Even if you take these figures it is 23.5% - still puts you in North Korea like territory. And different agencies have different figures - 25% was a ball park. So are you suggesting that just like your allies in North Korea, China too will spend almost 1/4th of its GDP on defence? You must as well christen it The Great Leap Forward 2.0.

Additionally, your current budget is about $100 billion - give or take a few. I would like to see how your Peoples Daily is going to sell a defence increase of 19.5 times its current budget to its gullible people. That is an increase of what - approximately - 2000%? LOL.

 

[Shinigami]

Its shocking to see how people with no idea of military affairs get high posts in this website. I suppose all you need to be a mod here is the ability to make fanboy or cheerleading comments

This is a problem with Indian warmongering. They want to pick up fights to feel good about themselves, but can't live with the consequences. If India attacks the PLA, it will be up to the PLA to decide the level of intensity for that conflict, not India and the hostilities may very well lead to PLA marching onto New Delhi.

If you don't like it, don't start a fight.

 

[CorporateAffairs]

My opinion is that Indian Government will negotiate through backdoors (Mr. Salman Khursheed is due to visit China on May, 9) giving to some of the Chinese demands for example backing off in SCS etc. and then China would retreat

Congress/UPA is a joke. Nehru made India fall on its knees and now the turn of ManMohan/Sonia. A spineless leader like Kurshid who himself is in deep corruption ****, can only lick the feet of Chinese.

best thing for me is to give Indian the land, with conditions.

China could support Indian seat in Permanent member of UN.

-India must accept Chinese hegemony in the south china sea and break off any military ties to the countries involved until the dispute is solved.

- India must never station troops too close to the new border and any infrastructure must be for economics and not have war waging capabilities.

- India accepts Chinese presents in Pakistan, and will not object to any relationship between China and the rest of Indian neighbors.

- India should allow Chinese weapons to be a competitor in weapons deals.

- India needs to banish all Tibetan government and actively promote Tibet being part of China.

Let our Congress govt. be elected in 2014, and we will accept India as a integral part of China.

 

[Paludism]

I guess it should be farther than that..

I probably am wrong but it's perhaps approx 500 Km from the point of stand-off. And the bus fare isn't 50c as an Indian member had quoted.

 

[HongWu]

Humiliating border war defeat and partition of India.

Our infantry fighting vehicles are already deployed in the stand-off.

 

[beijingwalker]

Even if you take these figures it is 23.5% - still puts you in North Korea like territory. And different agencies have different figures - 25% was a ball park. So are you suggesting that just like your allies in North Korea, China too will spend almost 1/4th of its GDP on defence? You must as well christen it The Great Leap Forward 2.0.

Additionally, your current budget is about $100 billion - give or take a few. I would like to see how your Peoples Daily is going to sell a defence increase of 19.5 times its current budget to its gullible people. That is an increase of what - approximately - 2000%? LOL.

If neccesary we surely can do that,like what Russians did in WW2.the whole country can be put on war mode.but of course that is certainly not the case in a war with India.still,India is in no position to take on China in any aspects,so it'll be wise for India to stay quiet.

 

[Barrack-Obummer]

Whether this act is tactical and limited to a remote icy waste, it is a strategic victory for Chinese policy because it is the Indian authorities – not the Chinese - who have been compelled to explain why the Chinese intruded

In spite of such a growing climate of friendship, the Chinese have chosen to embarrass the Indian government by creating a minor crisis for their own reasons. For the average Indian I think it is difficult to take this issue in the stride. Despite China's action, except for hawks, most of the people in India do not want a war with China, but all of them want India to be treated as a nation with dignity. This is a minimum China cannot ignore in its Machiavellian calculations regarding India.

I also believe, China does not want a shooting war for a very different reason. They remember the Sun Tzu’s quote “Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” So it does not make sense for the Chinese to go to war when they can achieve what they want without firing a shot. Why should they? After all by the simple act of moving a platoon of troops into the disputed area, they have managed to divide the nation, confuse the government, frustrate the armed forces and get away with what they want to do.

Actually, India expects the issue to be resolved when the Minister of External Affairs Salman Khurshid visits Beijing on May 9. In other words, they've already accepted the Chinese status quo rather than the Chinese listening to their call. This is not surprising because no responsible person has asked the Chinese the simple questions: why are they intruding? Why don’t the Chinese troops to go back to Depsang Valley – where they came from? Semantics, on which diplomacy depends so heavily, are not only indicators of the mind and but is also Indias lack of clarity.

India and China decided to bury the hatchet and in the interest of fostering better relations when they signed an agreement on November 29, 1996 at New Delhi on a series of confidence building measures (CBM) recognizing the problem of un-demarcated border and accepting an LAC of uncertainty. The present Chinese standoff goes in the face of Article I and II of the CBM.


Article I stipulates: Neither side shall use its military capability against the other side. No armed forces deployed by either side in the border areas along the line of actual control as part of their respective military strength shall be used to attack the other side, or engage in military activities that threaten the other side or undermine peace, tranquillity and stability in the India-China border areas.” In military perception if a subunit of a foreign force supported by helicopters intrudes well inside our LAC and establishes a camp it would be reasonable to construe it as a military preparation to deployment.

Article II makes it even clearer: “Pending an ultimate solution to the boundary question, the two sides reaffirm their commitment to strictly respect and observe the line-of actual control in the India-China border areas. No activities of either side shall overstep the line of actual control.” So every time such an intrusion is perceived by one side as overstepping the LAC they have the right to invoke this article. So a reasonable ground exists for India to object every time a perceived violation of LAC takes place.



Some of the reasons for the Chinese to bring pressure through the intrusion in Ladakh could be –

- The Chinese perhaps want India to halt its much delayed infrastructure development now in progress in Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh because it would help Indian troop movements and operations. Strategically it would strengthen the Indian government’s hold on the area, further reinforcing its claim. The most charitable explanation would be the Chinese want to strengthen their bargaining position in the border talks by pressurizing the government to halt the work in progress.

- A new Chinese leadership under Xi Jinping has taken over. Xi had proposed five proposals for improving bilateral ties with India. These included keeping aside differences on various issues while improving mutual ties and accommodation of each other's concerns while dealing with "core interests". He had also suggested that peace and tranquillity should be maintained on the boundary pending settlement of the issue. At the same time, at the recent BRICS summit Xi said “The boundary question is a complex issue left over from history, and solving the issue won’t be easy”. Is the border intrusion to emphasize that India should not pressurise his leadership on the border question as it affects China’s core interest?

- Chinese Prime Minister Li Keqiang chose to visit New Delhi to be his first trip abroad as Prime Minister perhaps to stress the importance China attached to improve relations with India. Is the DBO intrusion on the eve, a subtle reminder to India that it was China which calls the shot? As Li plans to go to Pakistan, China's long term strategic ally, such a reminder would certainly please Pakistan.

-The Chinese have been carrying out joint exercises involving the PLA, air force and the public security forces involving air lift of troops using trying out their c3s systems in Xinjiang area. Is the PLA testing new drills in a simulated situation in border? Or trying to provoke a military response to understand India's current response mechanism? These are some of the legitimate questions for military analysts to answer.

Unfortunately, the national leadership and Indian people appear to have been lulled into the often repeated cliché "Our government will take every step to protect the national integrity and security" But words do not protect you in actual war. In 1962 you made the same mistake and paid a heavy price that wiped your national confidence, which has not yet been regained while dealing with the Chinese. India is making the same mistake again because the Chinese are sure to exploit this national weakness to achieve many victories applying the Sun Tzu dictum:

“Thus we may know that there are five essentials for victory:
1. He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.
2. He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces.
3. He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks.
4. He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.
5. He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign.”

Even as an embarrassed Indian government was trying to soften the strong public reaction to the intrusion, China released a While paper on PLA for the first time giving details of the organisation and structure of the military, and the country’s major defence priorities. Two of the defence priorities are:
-- Aiming to win local wars under the conditions of informationization and expanding and intensifying military preparedness.
-- Formulating the concept of comprehensive security and effectively conducting military operations other than war (MOOTW).

Does Ladakh fit in the scheme of “local wars” the doctrine talks about? Is PLA intensifying its “informationization and military preparedness” to win a local war there? As Chinese do not indulge in frivolous actions for the sake of form, it would be worthwhile to ponder over these questions and keep the powder dry...

It will do you well to remember what they did so successfully in 1962.