INDIA CHINA PAKISTAN COLLUSION VS COLLISION

[masterchief_mirza]

While it is certain that Pakistan will not become a party to conflict between India and China,

If I may return the discussion to the actual content of your analysis, why do you think this particular outcome is so certain? I rather assumed the converse would be the case.

 

[Pakistan's Arya Stark]

If I may return the discussion to the actual content of your analysis, why do you think this particular outcome is so certain? I rather assumed the converse would be the case.

Well, Pakistan has shown support to China during previous Sino Indian crises but never became a party to the conflict itself. If Pakistan does that, it will surely draw unnecessary flack towards Pakistan China Bonhomie. Pakistan is a responsible nuclear weapon state which will only be directly involved to any conflict if its sovereignty, territory or national interests are at stake.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Pakistan is a responsible nuclear weapon state

It is naive to think ANY globally influential nation or bloc will ever regard Pakistan as a responsible nuclear armed state - not because we're not or never could be, but because such a definition of our nation would never be in the interests of western agendas. Pakistan will ALWAYS be defined as a terrorist, extremist and irresponsible nation by our enemies. I am only concerned about how our friends perceive us.

Take the example of Turkey. Having bent over backwards to appease EU and NATO demands for years, Erdogan had the epiphany that these parties will never be satisfied by Turkish actions, hence there is no longer any point trying to please this particular bloc, and rather, a more independent approach is needed. Turkey isn't the only example in recent times. The US itself under Trump is another example of a brazen nationalist approach superseding realpolitik.

 

[Pakistan's Arya Stark]

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It is naive to think ANY globally influential nation or bloc will ever regard Pakistan as a responsible nuclear armed state - not because we're not or never could be, but because such a definition of our nation would never be in the interests of western agendas. Pakistan will ALWAYS be defined as a terrorist, extremist and irresponsible nation by our enemies. I am only concerned about how our friends perceive us.

Take the example of Turkey. Having bent over backwards to appease EU and NATO demands for years, Erdogan had the epiphany that these parties will never be satisfied by Turkish actions, hence there is no longer any point trying to please this particular bloc, and rather, a more independent approach is needed. Turkey isn't the only example in recent times. The US itself under Trump is another example of a brazen nationalist approach superseding realpolitik.

would be naive to think of the world accepting all good that Pakistan does. I am just quoting what we take pride in- being a responsible nuc weapon state. It is due to Realpolitik that we dont want to be embroiled in any crisis that doesn't involve us directly. We are right now trying to become part of the international regimes as we want to enjoy their benefits for our own domestic consumption.

 

[xeuss]

Indian territorial expansionist nationalism under BJP's Moditva regime will be the driving force of India's foreign policy in years to come.

I disagree with this assertion of yours. I know there have been public proclamations by the members of his regime, but those are simply, in my opinion, messages for domestic consumption, to further enhance his credentials and to show that India, under the Modi regime is a super power and this new regime is not restricted by the legacies of the Congress.

I do not think there are any serious thoughts given to a territorial expansion.

 

[Pakistan's Arya Stark]

I disagree with this assertion of yours. I know there have been public proclamations by the members of his regime, but those are simply, in my opinion, messages for domestic consumption, to further enhance his credentials and to show that India, under the Modi regime is a super power and this new regime is not restricted by the legacies of the Congress.

I do not think there are any serious thoughts given to a territorial expansion.

No thoughts to the territorial expansion? Then why such developments in IOK? Also, what about the new domicile law that is a carbon copy of Israel's expansionist law for Palestine? This can only be achieved via a design and a plan.. No state can be this lucky regarding such events.

 

[xeuss]

No thoughts to the territorial expansion? Then why such developments in IOK? Also, what about the new domicile law that is a carbon copy of Israel's expansionist law for Palestine? This can only be achieved via a design and a plan.. No state can be this lucky regarding such events.

We may have a different understanding of "territorial expansion". My previous message should be read as a reference to a military expansion of territories beyond those that are currently controlled by India. I just not see it happening.

The change of the status of Jammu & Kashmir is a slightly complicated answer. First of all, you think there is a "grand design or plan" behind all this. Fortunately, we are dealing with regime that plans for the next day, but never the day after. Additionally, the Modi regime's primary calculus is domestic politics and every step it takes is primarily to enhance its standing within the Hindutva vote bank.

The repeal of Article 370 was a long standing demand of the Hindu right, for the simple reason that they thought that this was a benefit that the Muslims enjoyed. Hindutva politics in India is dominated by subjugating Muslims and cutting of perceived benefits of Muslims.

In the short term, the change in domicile laws will have little or no impact for the Kashmiri Muslims. Instead, it will have an adverse effect on the Kashmiri Hindu and especially the Jammu region. Until now, the Hindus of Kashmir dominated the local job and land market because of the clause that prohibited any one other than a local Jammu & Kashmir resident from government jobs and land ownership. The Jammu region is already apprehensive over changing demographics in their region. They expect the rich Punjabis and UP/Bihar bhaiyyas to take over.

Long term, it is difficult to predict. I don't see much changing within the Kashmir Valley. But beyond the valley, I suspect land presently owned by the state government will now be sold at fraction of the market rates or simply gifted away to large industrial houses under the guise of development. Kashmiri businessmen will likely be squeezed out. Earlier this year, there was a state auction of land for lease for timber. This is an annual exercise. This time, no Kashmiri businessman won the auction. Out of state conglomerates bid higher and won all the leases. This would not have been possible if Article 370 was in effect.