India as a Space power!

[Ali.009]

India’s Bulluck Cart Space program Made in USA & Russia​

The entire world is aghast,surprised, amazed stunned and bewidered. The planet doesn’t know what to make of it. There are several aspects to the development.​

How could a country that cannot feed, or clothe its population build space vehicles. How can a country whose entire missile program was scrapped by the military send rockets into space? How can a country which takes 10 years to design a plane creates a dud explore the moon? How can a country where 75% of the population lives below Sub-Saharan poverty find the money to spend on satellite technology (India: More than 75% live below Sub Saharan poverty line ). How can the hungriest country in Asia compete with the Chinese and the Japanese?

Why does India, a poor country, want to explore the moon instead of using that money to alleviate poverty?

That was the question raised six years ago when India space agency ISRO (Indian Space Research Organisation) asked the government for $65 million to build and launch an unmanned scientific spacecraft to circle the moon.

The government ultimately sanctioned the funds - the mission is all set to take place early 2008 - but only after critics were appeased by protracted public debates and several seminars….The project, yet to be formally cleared by the government, will cost $2.2 billion in the first phase to put an Indian in orbit by 2014, and at least twice as much in the second phase to land him or her on the moon by 2020 - four years ahead of China.

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A country where hundreds of millions live below the Indian poverty line (Rs 1250) and scores of millions live below Sub Saharan penury levels buys a Russian rocket, paints the Tri-Color on it and claims it as an Indian achievement in science and technology. India’s space odyssey - from bullock cart to moon rocket. Submitted by kashif on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 01:53. Features By K. Jayaraman

All of Indi’a Rockets have failed. 1) Agni 2) Pirthivi 3) Akash 4) Trishul and 5) Nag 6) Agni.​

Prithvi: Failure: To date the only reliable delivery system inducted is the Pirthvi missile with a range of 300 kilometres. The subsequent versions of this missile are still undergoing tests. The pride of India the Agni missile tested last time landed 200 kilometres off target.

Akash: Failure: After several years of testing has been shelved for reasons best known to the Indians. Akash was meant as a substitute for Pechora. On the Akash missile, which was the subject of the DRDO media conference here on Tuesday, former air chief S. P. Tyagi said:“Akash was to be ready at a certain time, but it wasn’t. I had to change everything to make up for the delay.” Both missiles were part of a programme to develop indigenous weapons, which began in July 1983, with plans for Agni, Prithvi, Trishul, Akash and Nag missiles.

Trishul: Failure: Trishul is being replaced by Israeli Barak and Russian systems. Trishul, for instance, has been tested over 80 times so far without coming anywhere near becoming operational. It was, in fact, virtually given up for dead in 2003 after around Rs 300 crore was spent on it, before being revived yet again.

Nag: Failure: The Nag proved to be as deadily as the Holy Cow.

Agni: Failure: The Agni-I (range 700 to 800 kilometers) and Agni-II were both products of India’s space program and connected to its Integrated Guided Missile Development Program (IGMDP), itself launched in 1983. Originally, their design used a satellite space-launching rocket (SLV-3) as the first stage, on top of which was mounted the very short-range (150 to 250 kilometers) liquid fuel-propelled Prithvi missile.

Arjun, the Indian tanks is a colossal faliure and the LCA–well after ten years it is still in development. This is the same country that has been unable to produce a single rocket, tank of plane now claims that it has space techonolyg under its belt. Amazing!

India after scrapping its entire list of old rockets is now spending more than $2 Billion in a new Surya program which is supposedly going to create an ICBM program.

Indian Space Research Organisation, via European Pressphoto Agency

News about India’s space program, including commentary and archival articles published in The New York Times.What is amazing is that if a country can’t build a rocket how can it send one to the moon? India score worse than Barkino Faso on Hunger Index: Edges out Haiti–worst in South Asia

When the hungriest in Asia send a Russian rocket to the moon!​

The possibility of an Indian ICBM illustrates short-sightedness on the part of India and the United States. In seeking to become a global power by acquiring a first-strike weapon of mass destruction, the Indian government may be succumbing to its most immature and irresponsible instincts. The U.S. government, by offering India the “Trinity” of cooperation, is flirting with counterproductive activities that could lead to more proliferation.

If India completes the development of an ICBM, several consequences can be antici pated. Other countries will acquire an incentive to launch pre-emptive attacks against India in times of crisis, especially if the ICBM is of PSLV dimensions and, consequently, is easily targeted. India’s military funds will be diverted away from applica tions that would more readily complement “strategic partnership” with the United States. Tensions and dangers in Asia will rise.

Indian and U.S. foreign relations are also likely to suffer. An Indian ICBM would breed confusion and anger on the part of India ’s friends in Europe and the United States . That would likely spark a backlash against India that will hinder further co operation in a number of areas. India’s acts will serve as a goad to other potential missile proliferators and their potential suppliers to become more unrestrained. Arms Control. Richard Speier

Dalits: Caste discrimination. Poverty stricken and destitute​

“It is a historic moment,” said G. Madhavan Nair, chairman of the Indian Space Research Organization, according to Bloomberg News. “Our journey to the moon has started.”

Chandrayaan 1, which means “moon craft 1,” will spend two years in lunar orbit, analyzing moon dust and looking for chemicals including helium 3, which is used in nuclear fusion, according to Reuters. It’s carrying 11 payloads, including a moon impact probe that will demonstrate the technology needed to land the rover.

What is more important is that if 75% of Indian’s live below the poverty line, what is the purpose of sending a rocket into space. What’s next? Barkino Faso and Hait send rockets into space?

34.7 % of the Indian population lives with an income below $ 1 a day and 79.9 % below $ 2 a day. According to the India’s planning commission report 26.1 % of the population live below the poverty line. [World Bank's poverty line of $1 a day, but the Indian poverty line of Rs 360 a month, or 30 cents a day]

According to CIA world fact book, the Current account balance of India is -10,360,000,000 (minus) while China is the wealthiest country in the world with $ 249,900,000,000 (Plus) . India listed as 152 and China as no.1 [CIA: The world fact book].Amnesty International (AI) 2008 report on issues within India

Richard Arms Control mentions the fact that India’s naked ambitions are there to target teh USA.
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Indian commentators generally cite two reasons for acquiring an ICBM: to establish India as a global power and to enable India to deal with “high-tech aggression” of the type demonstrated in the wars with Iraq.[10] Because there is no obvious reason for India to want a military capability against Europe, there is one target that stands out as a bull’s-eye for an Indian ICBM: the United States. The reported 12,000-kilometer Surya-2 range is tailor- made to target the United States.

Richard Speir also makes some solid recommendations on what the US should do to prevent India acquiring the capability to attack the USA.

The United States now might have dimin ished leverage if India decided to export missile technology to countries such as Iran , given that certain types of MTCR agreements tend to provide a shield from U.S. sanctions.[11]

India historically has had a close relation ship with Tehran.[12] Indian entities have supplied sensitive military technology and weapons of mass destruction (WMD)-re lated items to Iran. In diplomatic talks, the United States and Israel have urged India to cool this relationship, specifically in areas of military and energy cooperation and with respect to deliberations on Iran’s nuclear program by the International Atomic Energy Agency.[13] Additionally, the United States has imposed sanctions on several Indian firms and individuals for providing the militarily sensitive and WMD-related items.[14]

Nonetheless the Indian-Iranian relationship is strong. In January 2003, then-Iranian President Mohammad Khatami joined Indian President A.P.J. Abdul Kalam to watch Agni missiles roll by in the Indian Republic Day parade; and the two presidents signed a strategic accord providing India with access to Iranian bases in an emergency in return for Indian transfers of defense products, training, maintenance, and military mod ernization support.[15] This relationship is strongly supported by India’s left wing, and India cannot seem to extricate itself.[16] Even if the current ruling party could disentangle itself from Iran, the underlying political support for Iranian ties might lead a future Indian government to resume the relationship.

Aside from Iran, Indian entities have engaged in WMD-related transfers to Libya and Iraq,[17] India appears to be seeking new customers. India’s DRDO has aspirations to export missiles-said to be below the MTCR threshold at present-to “many African, Gulf and South-East Asian coun tries,” subject to government approval.[18] Arms Control. Richard Speier

India’s faltering $41 Billion IT economy cannot salvage the lot of the poor. While a triumphalist media discusses the “growth of the Indian middle class”, the reality of India’s penury stricken population is very different. The higher the number the worse off the country. India ranks below Cambodia and Burkino Faso in terms of hunger. It is slightly better off than Haiti, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. Pakistan’s fares much better and is not listed on this chart. Cuba has taken care of its population and eliminated malnutrition, hunger and child mortality. It has done more with less and is the example that needs to be followed. Cuba produces more doctors for less and offers free medical education to citizens of the world. 1000 Cuban doctors served in cold Azad Kashmir and helped the victims of the earthquake.

India scored worse than nearly 25 sub-Saharan African countries and all of South Asia, except Bangladesh,” the report says.

When Indian states are compared to countries in the Global Hunger Index, [the central Indian state of] Madhya Pradesh ranks between Ethiopia and Chad,” it says.

India is long known to have some of the highest rates of child malnutrition and mortality in under-fives in the world.

According to the Indian government statistics two years ago, around 60% of more than 10 million children in the state were malnourished (International Food Policy Research Institute (IFPRI) along with Welthungerhlife and the University of California)

According to the Indian census of 2001, the total population was 1.028 billion. Hindus numbered 827 million or 80.5 %. About 25 per cent (24 million) of those Hindus are belonging to Scheduled Castes and Tribes. About 40 per cent (400 million) are “Other Backward Castes”. Cyber Gandi

Women Harassed in “Incredible India”: Women’s genocide-Persistent ogling, heckling by Indian men. GENDER MURDER:-10 million baby girls killed before & after birth

THE COUNTRIES WITH THE WORST RECORD ON HUNGER. THE HIGHER THE NUMBER THE WORSE IT IS. INDI RANKS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HEAP. On this chart Cambodia is the best and Congo the worst. India is worse than Burkino Faso and slightly better than Zimbabwe, and Haiti.

64 Cambodia 32.4 23.2
65 Burkina Faso 25.1 23.5
66 India 32.5 23.7
67 Zimbabwe 20.2 23.8
68 Tanzania 26.1 24.2
69 Haiti 35.9 24.3
70 Bangladesh 32.3 25.2
71 Tajikstan n/a 25.9
72 Mozambique 40.9 26.3
73 Mali 29.6 26.9
74 Guinea-Bissau 23 27.5
75 Central African Rep 32 28
76 Madagascar 29.1 28.8
77 Comoros 26.4 29.1
78 Zambia 29.1 29.2
79 Angola 39.8 29.5
80 Yemen 30.7 29.8
81 Chad 37.5 29.9
82 Ethiopia 44 31
83 Liberia 27.3 31.8
84 Sierra Leone 32.4 32.2
85 Niger 38 32.4
86 Burundi 32.6 38.3
87 Eritrea n/a 39
88 DR Congo 25.5 42.7
Source: IFPRI (BBC NEWS | Special Reports | Global Hunger Index in full)

The 2008 Global Hunger Index of developing and transitional countries has been published.​

The annual survey, by the International Food Policy Research Institute in conjunction with Welthungerhilfe and Concern Worldwide, ranks 88 countries on under-nourishment, prevalence of child malnutrition and rates of child mortality. The higher the index score, the worse the performance.

Amnesty International (AI) 2008 report on issues within India:

It may surprise many, but the are of highest concern is not Kashmir, but the rising tide of communalism, Anti-Christian, Anti-Dalit, and Anti-Muslim. The Naxalite insurrection led by Dalits and Maoists that comprises more than 40% of the landmass of the country.Three major groups - Maoist Communist Centre, People’s War Group and CPI (ML) - have merged to form a united outfit called CPI (Maoist). It affirmed: The revolution will be carried out and completed through armed agrarian revolutionary war; that is, protracted people’s war with the armed seizure of power remaining as its central and principal task, encircling the cities from the countryside and thereby finally capturing them.”

Kashmir was concerned as the biggest threat to the country’s unity but in recent years, many in New Delhi thought that they had swollowed Srinagar. Kashmir is in fever pitch. This year’s insrurrection caught them by sruprise. the Divide between Jammu and Kashmir now is irrerable and even the puppet Farooq Abdullah who sold his soul to Delhi for a few Dollars and a title, says “Kashmir will go on a platter to Pakistan.” Paper Tigers: Indian tenuous “hold” on Kashmir is slipping fast

The third are of security conern for New Delhi is open rebellion in the Northeast. These insurections do not make it to the daily headlines on CNN, but the fact is the New Delhi has very little control of Assam and the seven sisters that lie East of Bangadesh. Even Chinese occupied territory mislabeled “Aranchal Pradesh” has a huge body of rebels that want nothing to do with Delhi.

Communalism is a big threat to the so called “secular” country. Brahmans in Jammu in 2008 led a boycott of Kashmir forcing the Kashmiris to strive to trade directly with Pakistan. Church burning in Orissa are problem exacerbated by the sepratists who strive for freedom from Delhi. The Gujarits Hinduvata massacred 3000 Muslims and hundreds of thousands are scared to goback to their homes.

1) Do not be naive about the nature of India’s program.

After more than two decades of reports about India’s interest in an ICBM, includ ing reports from Russia, statements on India ’s ICBM capability by the U.S. intelligence community, and the firing of an Indian official after he publicly described the Surya program, there should be no illusions. The reports consistently state that India’s ICBM will be derived from its space-launch vehicle technology.

The United States should not believe that it is possible to separate India’s “civil ian” space-launch program-the incubator of its ballistic missiles-from India’s military program.

The United States would be the primary target of an Indian ICBM, which would be used to protect India from the theoretical possibility of “high-tech aggression.”

The U.S. intelligence community should resume its semi-annual unclassified report ing to Congress on India’s nuclear and missile programs, which was discontinued after April 2003.

2) Do not assist India’s space launch programs.

The United States should not cooperate either with India’s space launches or with satellites that India will launch. India hopes that satellite launches will earn revenues that will accelerate its space program, including rocket development. U.S. payloads for Indian launches, such as the envisioned cooperative lunar project, risk technology transfer and invite other states to be less restrained in their use of Indian launches.

The United States should resume dis couraging other states from using Indian launches, while encouraging India to re sume the practice of launching satellites on other states’ space launch vehicles.

Given the frequent reports of Russian cryogenic rockets being used in the Surya, the United States should work with Russia to ensure that Russian space cooperation with India does not undercut U.S. restraint.

Because there is no meaningful distinc tion between India’s civilian and military rocket programs, the United States should explicitly or de facto place ISRO back on the “entities” list of destinations that require export licenses.[23]

In addition, Congress should insist that the administration explain its red lines regarding space cooperation with India. If these lines are not drawn tightly enough, Congress should intervene.

3) Review carefully any cooperation with India’s satellite programs.

India is reportedly developing multiple nuclear warheads for its ballistic missiles. If India develops an ICBM, the next step will be to develop countermeasures to penetrate U.S. missile defenses. Certain satellite technologies can help India with both of these developments.

The United States should review its satellite cooperation to ensure that it does not aid India inappropriately in the technologies of dispensing or orienting spacecraft, of automated deployment of structures in space, or of other operations that would materially contribute to mul tiple warheads or countermeasures against missile defenses.

4) Stop using cooperation in dangerous technologies as diplomatic baubles.

India is the current example of a broader, dysfunctional tendency in bilateral relations to display trust and friendship by opening up the most dangerous forms of cooperation. The United States should not fall further into this trap with India or with any other state.

India needs many other forms of economic and military cooperation more than it needs nuclear and space technology. If India insists on focusing technology co operation in these areas, the United States should interpret that it as a red flag.

The U.S. removal of technology sanctions imposed after India’s 1998 nuclear tests was an adequate and perhaps exces sive display of friendship. Further tech nology cooperation should be limited to areas that do not contribute to nuclear weapons or their means of delivery.

Conclusion: A primary target of an Indian ICBM would be the United States. The technology of an Indian ICBM would be that of a space launch vehicle, either directly via the PSLV or indirectly via the Agni, which is based on India’s SLV-3. The United States should not facilitate the acquisition or improve ment of that technology directly or indirectly. In this matter, U.S. clarity and restraint are what the world and India need.

The United States needs to divert from the present glide path and reorient itself and India onto a more produc tive course of cooperation. It would be a cruel irony if, in the hope of becoming strategic partners, we became each other’s strategic targets. (Richard Speier. Arms Control)

 

[Flintlock]

Cut the bullshit. Spammers like you clog the bandwidth and make my internet slower.

 

[indiapakistanfriendship]

For some Racists it does burn and irritate seeing someone they hate grow dosen''t it . ............

 

[third eye]

The entire world is aghast,surprised, amazed stunned and bewidered. The planet doesn’t know what to make of it. ..

Relax.. things ar just warming up.

Why the surprise ? India already has a functioning facility to launch satellites commercially for a while.

If you had devoted half this effort for finding soloutions with ur own homeland, u prob would come up with ans to the Q's u face everday.

 

[Incredible India]

IF India can send a rocket to moon then why cant pakistan do the same instead of finding fault with it? If India got technology from Russian and American why cant u people try that way? After all u all are not behind anyone in that right?
You people are like The Fox , upon failing to find a way to reach grapes hanging high up on a vine, retreated and said: "The grapes are sour anyway!"
If ur scientist are not capable of sending a rocket to moon.. shut ur mouth and watch what we do. We may be poor but we are proud of being an Indian.

 

[anand]

Come on guys, Ali is only saying that in spite of so many problems, we could manage to get successful space program.
Thanx for appreciating our sincere efforts.
(BTW Ali should do some more research on missile program. Whatever he has posted is far from reality)

 

[Nihat]

very nice , what an article , great work Ali . Tops !!

 

[su-47]

The article is full of bull crap. It calls prithvi and agni failures, though both series of missiles have been successfully tested and inducted. they credit the entire indian space program to europe and USA.

Its true that there are poor in india, but doesnt mean the nation is incapable. Ali, why dont you spend some time trying to fix your own country instead of finding fault with others'. why is it that you have to be so bitter when india achieves any success?

i can see alot of bitter years in front of you. bitterness causes increased blood pressure, and you are going to suffer unless you lighten up.

 

[Vinod2070]

I wonder why the hunger list didn't start from 61!

Was there some friendly neighborhood country at that number that has the highest % of defense spending in the region and one of the highest in the world?

Anyway, such posts are best ignored. You can see where such posts come from. From intense jealousy and hatreds.

If his country had achieved a fraction of this, may be just blasted a sounding rocket, see the excitement of these guys.

 

[p2prada]

Most of the article is a cold war analysis. When india was an enemy. The hunger part was just added to it.

 

[Disintegrater]

Ali,

you say that russians sold tech to india, did u know that when russia wanted to sell tech for the cryogenic engine to india it was prevented by america? so it took india a decade or so i think to develop it,

and yes there is huge poverty in india, that doesn't mean they shouldn't engage in any other areas and develop in it,

and why sould the US sell space tech to india, they were the ones who prevented russia from selling india the badly required technology,

and there will be failures in missile tests, i think this is indias first venture into missile development(IGDMP?), and these are just the first guided missiles they are developing, it will be tough
so calling the entire program a flop is stupid, check out nasa's failure rate and u will get an idea, even check other nation's missile failures, but when india fails at it u create such a pandemonium as if it has never hapenned before!

for the record i'm totally neutral here, i neither support the indians nor the pakistanis nor the chinese or anyone else

 

[Vinod2070]

In fact if a nation's missile tests never fail, it points to something fishy going on!

Failures sometimes teach much more in advanced fields such as space and missiles than successes.

But I do agree that the confidence of the Pakistani Scientists in flying their missiles over their cities on the first test and the missile tests always succeeding without any issues and meeting all test parameters all the time is a unique achievement which no other country has a parallel to.

 

[su-47]

Ali NASA is an organization that has had some of the most disastrous failures in history. I don't see anyone calling them a failure.

 

[Ali.009]

Cut the bullshit. Spammers like you clog the bandwidth and make my internet slower.

Its time you shud switch to DSL rather then using cheap dialup, i wonder if high speed internet is avliable in your 'technologically advanced nation' ? Havent russians invested in this sector?


All of you are opening mouths, and flaming without even reading the complete post, you read the headline and hit the reply button, throwing out proofs of being imature kids. Its an analysis, which i thought many indians will like to see a true picture of their country's improper allocation of resources which might result in economic collaspe in future.

The sources of information are posted rightfully, if you will like to flame and ejaculate fire balls out of your mouths just because someone pointed out reality of your bharat-mata, please feel free to flame the correct peoples, including Amensty Int.

-Regards

Ali NASA is an organization that has had some of the most disastrous failures in history. I don't see anyone calling them a failure.

As i wrote above, you should learn manners of condcuting and replying. First rule is to read. Ill be happy to reply to your 'unknown' comment if uve proply read the above post, no one calling ur space agency a failure, rather ill call your brain being a failure, if thats what you got out of reading it.

 

[daredevil]

It looks like a mishmash from different sources and a case of grapes gone sour. Though, I would like to reply to each of the above points, I would like to know, what is the point you are making in your own words.