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India and USA troops withdrawal.

India should start some contacts with Anti -Taleban factions . Iran and many central asian countries would only be to glad to prevent the return of Taliban power. Time for India to take a pro-active role in central Asia, after all it affects our security and strategic necessities too.

hindustan already does that, as they always have been doing..... :):)

it's interesting that the NATO tried this approach already in 2001/02 and it brought them more headache than benefit. Truth is, all these militias and factions all do the same thing; one is not ''better'' than the other necessarily.

but seems that NATO itself has fallen back on that strategy and has opted to sit down with the very same people they've been at war with for over a decade

so my question is -- what can or what will hindustan do that the combined brains/resources/military power that constitute NATO have been unable to do during the 2001-2011 timeframe?

i look forward to your views on it
 
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:lol:

You mean let Taliban rule there so that Pakistani terrorists can hijack Indian planes and land them in Afghanistan . Sorry , not happening.

wasnt it talebs who helped bring a relatively peaceful ''conclusion'' to that incident --despite the fact that indian didnt have a diplomatic relations with the Afghan government at the time
 
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INDIA will opt for stationing atleast 50,000 troops out there. INDIA won't let ISI to play safe heavens in AF again and certainly GOI must have a plan for that too.
lol hahaha joke of the century.USA cant fight and running out with 150000 troops and look at the cat copying a ceetah trying to kill a bull.you are more then welcome to come to afghanistan so taliban can crush you like insects like they are doing to nato
 
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hindustan already does that, as they always have been doing..... :):)

it's interesting that the NATO tried this approach already in 2001/02 and it brought them more headache than benefit. Truth is, all these militias and factions all do the same thing; one is not ''better'' than the other necessarily.

but seems that NATO itself has fallen back on that strategy and has opted to sit down with the very same people they've been at war with for over a decade

so my question is -- what can or what will hindustan do that the combined brains/resources/military power that constitute NATO have been unable to do during the 2001-2011 timeframe?

i look forward to your views on it


NATO were successful as long as they played off different militias without involving troops or engaging too closely with the ground situation.

After the soviets left , Afghanistan was relegated to a backburner by the U.S administration , the only incident of note was U.S displeasure at not being able to buy back several stinger hand missiles which they sold to the "mujahideen" several years earlier :lol: ...they blamed the ISI for this apparent lack of co-operation.

So all was ignored until the 2001 attacks , after which it was mostly an ego issue with Bush in the region, the subsequent invasion and all was to showcase U.S might and hereafter by a combination of circumstances and bad management of situation ,U.S troops have been bogged down in Afghanistan for a decade without any results.

Now that Obama has finally made the decision to withdraw active military presence ,most analysts agree on common consensus that the erstwhile habit of playing off one group ( eg . Shah Massoud faction, G Hekmatiyar etc as they existed in the interim period after Soviet withdrawal and before the American invasion ) against another is the strategy looming ahead . U.S will in effect still want to be present in the region diplomatically and strategically through their proxies at least.

Little wonder that since Indian agencies have already a presence in the region ( as per latest rumours of Indian consulates , balochistan trouble rousing etc ...which has quite often been spoken off by many posters ), they may want to establish some sort of links with certain factions and play the strategic game from the sidelines for what it is worth . And this time expect our involvement to be several notches higher cause we will probably want to ensure for our security that the Taleban do not re-emerge as the unchallenged dominant force in the Afghan landscape.

To this end if we have to shut down consulates and instead pour in cash and weapons into strengthening say the Hazara community, anti --Taleban tribal leaders etc. We are quite flexible enough to do so. We have a base in Tajikistan and share no direct land border with Afghanistan. We will carry on what we deem necessary for our security without the extent of damage Pakistan has suffered -due to its geographical location.

Its basically a game now between Pakistan influenced proxies --Taleban and rest of the world ( Iran , India, U.S -influenced ) proxies, sad world but such is life .
 
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when usa withdrawn troops you can bet your last penny the rest of them foreign army will run like hell out of afghanstan as well.
 
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when usa withdrawn troops you can bet your last penny the rest of them foreign army will run like hell out of afghanstan as well.

Obviously ...they all come under NATO following U.S lead. If it were not for the U.S they would never have committed there in the first place . Only because of their treaty obligations.
 
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Why are you unhappy at the americans getting out of our area. no freinds left around here? lol
 
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NATO were successful as long as they played off different militias without involving troops or engaging too closely with the ground situation.

and where does that play into discussion of 2001 invasion


After the soviets left , Afghanistan was relegated to a backburner by the U.S administration , the only incident of note was U.S displeasure at not being able to buy back several stinger hand missiles which they sold to the "mujahideen" several years earlier :lol: ...they blamed the ISI for this apparent lack of co-operation.

source(s) please


So all was ignored until the 2001 attacks , after which it was mostly an ego issue with Bush in the region, the subsequent invasion and all was to showcase U.S might and hereafter by a combination of circumstances and bad management of situation ,U.S troops have been bogged down in Afghanistan for a decade without any results.

the bad management (or lack thereof) of the ground situation started when the soviets withdrew

Now that Obama has finally made the decision to withdraw active military presence ,most analysts agree on common consensus that the erstwhile habit of playing off one group ( eg . Shah Massoud faction, G Hekmatiyar etc as they existed in the interim period after Soviet withdrawal and before the American invasion ) against another is the strategy looming ahead

though i disagree, we will have to wait it out and see what happens...HeI and talebs are not friendly to NATO forces as long as they are in Afghanistan. Once they withdrew and through back-channel talks (which have been ongoing for some time now, no new phenonenon) then that is when we will have to see how they handle the relations

of it wont be a complete ''withdrawal'' so to speak. I think they do seek some kind of a 'permanent' presence but the extent is what is debatable.

U.S will in effect still want to be present in the region diplomatically and strategically through their proxies at least.

precisely...given the strategic value of Afghanistan.

Little wonder that since Indian agencies have already a presence in the region ( as per latest rumours of Indian consulates , balochistan trouble rousing etc ...

nobody denying that. Not to be overly provacative here, but i'll state the obvious:

Their movements are most likely being watched rather closely.

And this time expect our involvement to be several notches higher cause we will probably want to ensure for our security that the Taleban do not re-emerge as the unchallenged dominant force in the Afghan landscape.

a rule of thumb:


look before you leap...especially when you're in the deep-end

To this end if we have to shut down consulates and instead pour in cash and weapons into strengthening say the Hazara community, anti --Taleban tribal leaders etc. We are quite flexible enough to do so. We have a base in Tajikistan and share no direct land border with Afghanistan.

precisely....which is why the Hazara community as well as the Qizilbashis in Pakistan can play an ''instrumental'' role here as well. In fact, we should use them as a bridge to reaching out towards the non-Pakhtun groups. We seek communal harmony and stability in Afghanistan, not ethnic warfare. Luckily given our proximity, it would be a RELATIVELY easy task --though of course there are old grudges and some bad blood which would have to be dealt with on need-basis.


We will carry on what we deem necessary for our security without the extent of damage Pakistan has suffered -due to its geographical location.

as you already know (i neednt remind you) -- any damage or moves against Pakistani interests would have consequences


Its basically a game now between Pakistan influenced proxies --Taleban and rest of the world ( Iran , India, U.S -influenced ) proxies, sad world but such is life .

the lesser emotion you show and the more objective you are, the easier it is.....

that applies to a lot of things in life --whether in war or peace-time.
 
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guess what, usa supported same taliban they call terrorists right now.

No, they gave Paksitan weapons and money to distribute evenly to the Mujahideen, the CIA were not on the ground distributing weapons to Pashtun fighters who later become the Taliban. Pakistan gave the bulk of the money and Stingers to the groups who years later become the Taliban and they were situated within Pakistan and in Afghanistan close to your border. This simple yet crucial point in history must not be taught in Pakistani schools it seems.
 
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LOL now i know why india was acting tough. haha

usa will be out soon.....then what.

Then by the least Pakistan will not be able to dictate terms in Afghanistan. It will be foolish to think you will be back to Square one.

US will withdraw troops for sure, but it will leave some around 10000 till the very end and will keep monitoring Afghanistan until they are sure it can survive on its own. One other thing can happen that they will have a permanent base in Afghanistan.

US out does not mean Pakistan In as some fanboys think.
 
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:D this time i may not get bharati visa lolzzz

Given your thoughts about India, I sincerely hope that your visa is rejected. I would not travel any country if I cannot think one good thing about that country.
 
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blah blah blah, give us some proof of ISI in AF. dont make your own stories.

Its very interesting hearing Pakistani members say such things as I have just watched a documentary on Afghanistan on BBC. on it there are numerous high ranking British and US ministers and ex Army and Ex intelligence guys and even an ex Afghan intelligence guy who all said the same thing- their major concern is the Taliban in Pakistan as they are being trained and harboured by ISI including Muller Omar. And the ex-CIA guy said that his breifing to Obama in 2009 on Afghanistan and the Pakistani issue is what changed US policy in Afghanistan and is why you see an increase in drone stokes in Pakistan and raid like May 2nd 2011. The whole world knows it so either you are completely ignorant and believe whatever your state TV tells you or you are just a complete fool. The BBC journo even spoke to Mussaraff and called him a LIAR!!

Grow up!
 
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