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India and the Palestinian Bid for Statehood at the UN

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In the aftermath of India being elected as one of the non-permanent members of the UN Security Council (UNSC) in January 2011 for a two-year term – with 187 countries endorsing its candidature, its positions on key international issues have been keenly watched. Among decisions India had to take included those relating to Cote d’Ivoire, Libya and Syria. The Palestinian bid to seek statehood at the upcoming session of the UN General Assembly beginning September 21, 2011 will be another instance when India will have to take a call on a highly resonant issue.

In the context of its history of support for Palestinian-related resolutions at the UN, however, India has already expressed support for the Palestinian bid. India’s support was conveyed by Deputy Foreign Minister E. Ahamed in a meeting with the Palestinian Ambassador to India on August 11, 2011, as reported by the Palestinian news agency Wafa. Nabeel Shaath, former Palestinian Foreign Minister and Special Envoy of the Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas met with External Affairs Minister (EAM) S.M. Krishna during his visit to India from August 23-24, 2011 in order to canvas for Indian support for the Palestinian plan. The EAM “reiterated India’s strong and unwavering support to the Palestinian cause and assured that India shall continue to adhere to its principled stand on Palestine.”

India was the first non-Arab state to recognise Palestine in 1988. At the UN specifically, India has supported NAM-sponsored resolutions on the need for the expeditious establishment of a Palestinian state and has actively participated at the meetings of the NAM Committee on Palestine. The EAM attends these meetings and reminds the audience that the Committee was first established at the 1983 NAM Summit in New Delhi. India also co-sponsored and voted in favour of a draft resolution on February 18, 2011 at the UN which termed Israeli settlement policies as “illegal.” India’s Explanation of Vote affirmed that India’s decision was “consistent with our long-standing position of solidarity with the Palestinian people and our position that the settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories are illegal under international law …” That resolution was however vetoed by the US, the first ever veto by the Obama administration.

Given that the upcoming move by the Palestinians would be an unilateral effort seeking statehood, it is pertinent to note that Deputy Foreign Minister Ahmed in a speech on the occasion of ‘International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People’ on January 28, 2011 urged a “negotiated solution resulting in a sovereign, independent, viable and united State of Palestine living within secure and recognized borders with East Jerusalem as its Capital, side by side and at peace with Israel as endorsed in the Quartet Roadmap and United Nations Security Council Resolutions 1397 & 1515” (emphasis added). Mr. Ahmed was, however, quoted as stating after his meeting with the Palestinian Ambassador in August 2011 that “[full UN] membership will help move the peace process forward and will not conflict with negotiations.”

The Palestinians assert that more than 140 countries have expressed support for their bid. However, in order for their efforts to fructify, they need the support of the UNSC. Among the veto-wielding powers, the US has been vigorously opposed to the bid, with President Obama stating that such a move would be “counter-productive.” The French Foreign Minister has warned that it could lead to a “serious diplomatic crisis.” Russia and China have indicated that they will support the bid. China on its part has stated that it “"respects, understands and supports" the move as statehood is an “inalienable right” of the Palestinian people. British Prime Minister David Cameron, in an interview with Al Jazeera on September 9, 2011, affirmed that Britain does “support the ambition of the Palestinians to have statehood” but nevertheless insisted that “it’s not the UN that can confer statehood on the Palestinians. The only way statehood is going to happen is for the Israelis and the Palestinians to sit down and negotiate and agree the terms of the Israeli State and the Palestinian State.”

Israel has warned of serious repercussions, including the annulment of all agreements with the PNA, including security cooperation and on such issues as sharing of water and trade. Mr. Abbas on his part insists that the Palestinian statehood bid is an effort to seek international support for their legitimate cause. Special Envoys from the US (David Hale and Dennis Ross), the EU Foreign Policy chief (Catherine Ashton) and the Quartet Representative Tony Blair have in recent days been visiting the region to persuade the Palestinians to give up their bid and have urged both sides to return to the negotiating table. Influential voices like that of the former Saudi Ambassador to Washington Turki al-Faisal have warned that if the US vetoes the bid, “American influence will decline further, Israeli security will be undermined and Iran will be empowered …”

As regards the possible impact of India’s support for the Palestinian bid on India-Israel relations, it is pertinent to note that India’s history of support for the Palestinian cause is acknowledged and accepted by Israel and the US as well, as indicated by diplomatic communications revealed by Wikileaks and statements of key officials like former Middle East Special Envoy Chinmaya Gharekhan. Israeli policy makers had in the past expressed the opinion that India should have “acted with more discretion” when it endorsed the UN-mandated Goldstone report (which investigated Israeli and Hamas actions during the December 2008-January 2009 Operation Cast Lead) at the UN in October 2009. Given that Israel is currently facing rough weather in its neighbourhood, with relations in a difficult phase with countries like Turkey and Egypt, Israel will find it difficult to find fault with the decision of a key country like India, on an issue that is bound to find high-resonance among a majority of the UN member states. However, while India’s support for the Palestinian bid is not likely to affect the robust defence (worth more than $ 9 billion so far) and economic (annual trade of $5 billion currently) engagement with Israel, it could further raise the bar for greater engagement between the two countries at the highest political levels.

Irrespective of the outcome of the Palestinian bid to seek to become the 194th UN member-state after South Sudan, the effort is a definitive ‘fork-in-the-road’ as far as the future contours of the intractable issue are concerned. Whether the effort will lead to a further hardening of positions and the empowering of radical elements in each camp or assist in the return to the negotiating process will remain to be seen.

India and the Palestinian Bid for Statehood at the UN | Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses
 
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Agreed, India should support the grant of statehood to Palestine. India's position is not a new one, Israel is well aware of our position on Palestine. This is not likely to impact our relations with Israel.
 
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Agreed, India should support the grant of statehood to Palestine. India's position is not a new one, Israel is well aware of our position on Palestine. This is not likely to impact our relations with Israel.

India has always supported statehood of Palestine. Yasir Arafat had good relation with India. Over all this shows a maturity in our foreign policy. Our close relation with Israel does not change the fact. :)
 
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Time for India to do the same for Kashmir...IOK.

Kashmirs should now be asking for statehood.

Look at the funny 3 posters above...hypocrites.:o::lol:

Old thread.though...still v relevant today.
 
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Time for India to do the same for Kashmir...IOK.

Kashmirs should now be asking for statehood.

Look at the funny 3 posters above...hypocrites.:o::lol:

Old thread.though...still v relevant today.
People here cant get a good night sleep without crying kashmir kashmir...
 
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People here cant get a good night sleep without crying kashmir kashmir...


Kashmir comes in the day dreams even, this is how the jugular vein Kashmir is to Pakistanis.

But tell me at one instance Indians here support Palestine Statehood, and on the other hand hypocritically choak from Kashmirs referendum even.

You all know, Kashmir is a separate country in becoming.
 
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on one hand you guys makes tons of defence agrements with Israel and on other hand you guys are saying you guys will support Palestinians. Hypocrisy at its best.

there is a Urdu poem which fits perfect on you guys.....hathi kay khanay kay daant aur. Aur dekhanayy kay aur hotay hain.
 
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Kashmir comes in the day dreams even, this is how the jugular vein Kashmir is to Pakistanis.

But tell me at one instance Indians here support Palestine Statehood, and on the other hand hypocritically choak from Kashmirs referendum even.

You all know, Kashmir is a separate country in becoming.

Does even Pakistani state support Kashmiri statehood ? Please tell us where..in UN?..when??

Unfortunately your ignorance, exposes Pakistani hypocrisy!!

Tell us of even a single occasion where Pakistani government has talked of Independent kashmir??
 
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Does even Pakistani state support Kashmiri statehood ? Please tell us where..in UN?..when??

Unfortunately your ignorance, exposes Pakistani hypocrisy!!


Yes yes yes. If Kashmirs ask for a united Kashmir, Pakistan will say yes in UN.

And when you support Palestine statehood, whats wrong with Kashmiri statehood? Do Indians have any credibility left in them, apart from mudslinging others.?
 
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Yes yes yes. If Kashmirs ask for a united Kashmir, Pakistan will say yes in UN.

And when you support Palestine statehood, whats wrong with Kashmiri statehood? Do Indians have any credibility left in them, apart from mudslinging others.?

I don't want your personal opinion!..which by the way counts for Nothing!!

Show me where Pakistani government has committed to give independence to Kashmir, if asked??

Forget about giving independent statehood and UN membership, you even sold their land to Chinese without even first consulting them.

Isn't Pakistan a supporter of Palestinian statehood, then why didn't we see Nawaz Sharif appealing for Kashmir to recognised as UN member in his UNGA speech..such hypocrisy why?

Then as ignorant as you are, you foolishly challenge us on this issue.
 
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I don't want your personal opinion!..which by the way counts for Nothing!!

Show me where Pakistani government has committed to give independence to Kashmir, if asked??

Forget about giving independent statehood and UN membership, you even sold their land to Chinese without even first consulting them.


Pakistani Prime Minister, who has Kashmiri origins has no say in Azad Kashmir government as Azad Kashmir as its on Prime Minister, own Cabinet, Kashmir Affairs Ministry, except that a pact of shared defense, deterrence and resources allocation due to mainly Indian threats has been made to protect Kashmiris from Indian aggression.

Pakistan govt discusses with Azad Kashmir government before doing anything...providing alternatives where ever possible...other wise Azad Kashmirs has been not so well off as they are now in majority. Is not an own govt of Azad Kashmir not enough proof? isn't own charter of Azad Kashmir not enough proof?

As for Chinese temporary hold is concerned once Kashmir issue is resolved, it will have new terms regarding ur prescribed sold of land of Kashmirs, and if there is a problem, I openly call Kashmirs to protest in the capital city of their Azad kashmir or most welcomed to protest in Islamabad, if there is a problem. come on let the locals rise, first.


But what Pakistan has done, Do the same level in Illegal Occupation of Indian Kashmir, and then talk.

The illegal occupation and forceful occupation of INDIAN Kashmir is the root cause of all troubles in the subcontinent, holding India back, and systematically finishing it .
 
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Pakistani Prime Minister, who has Kashmiri origins has no say in Azad Kashmir government as Azad Kashmir as its on Prime Minister, own Cabinet, Kashmir Affairs Ministry, except that a pact of shared defense, deterrence and resources allocation due to mainly Indian threats has been made to protect Kashmiris from Indian aggression.

Pakistan govt discusses with Azad Kashmir government before doing anything...providing alternatives where ever possible...other wise Azad Kashmirs has been not so well off as they are now in majority. Is not an own govt of Azad Kashmir not enough proof? isn't own charter of Azad Kashmir not enough proof?

As for Chinese temporary hold is concerned once Kashmir issue is resolved, it will be have new terms regarding ur prescribed sold of land of Kashmirs, and if there is a problem, I openly call Kashmirs to protest in the capital city of their Azad kashmir or most welcomed to protest in Islamabad, if there is a problem. come on let the locals rise, first.


Do the same in Illegal Occupation of Indian Kashmir, and then talk.

The illegal occupation and forceful occupation of INDIAN Kashmir is the root cause of all troubles in the subcontinent, holding India back, and systematically finishing it .
Did you even bother to watch the video I posted? Pakistan is unwilling to follow 1st part of UN agreement without which no further steps can be taken. You are one delusional fellow.
 
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Pakistani Prime Minister, who has Kashmiri origins has no say in Azad Kashmir government as Azad Kashmir as its on Prime Minister, own Cabinet, Kashmir Affairs Ministry, except that a pact of shared defense, deterrence and resources allocation due to mainly Indian threats has been made to protect Kashmiris from Indian aggression.

Pakistan govt discusses with Azad Kashmir government before doing anything...providing alternatives where ever possible...other wise Azad Kashmirs has been not so well off as they are now in majority. Is not an own govt of Azad Kashmir not enough proof? isn't own charter of Azad Kashmir not enough proof?

As for Chinese temporary hold is concerned once Kashmir issue is resolved, it will be have new terms regarding ur prescribed sold of land of Kashmirs, and if there is a problem, I openly call Kashmirs to protest in the capital city of their Azad kashmir or most welcomed to protest in Islamabad, if there is a problem. come on let the locals rise, first.


Do the same in Illegal Occupation of Indian Kashmir, and then talk.

The illegal occupation and forceful occupation of INDIAN Kashmir is the root cause of all troubles in the subcontinent, holding India back, and systematically finishing it .

Please spare me your bull$hit and what you think, happens in you country or will happen in the future.

And quote me even a single statement from Pakistani government..where it has asked for Kashmiri statehood or for Kashmir to be recognised as a separate country or a member of UNGA, just like you were asking Indians to do a few minutes ago.
 
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I don't want your personal opinion!..which by the way counts for Nothing!!

Show me where Pakistani government has committed to give independence to Kashmir, if asked??

Forget about giving independent statehood and UN membership, you even sold their land to Chinese without even first consulting them.

Isn't Pakistan a supporter of Palestinian statehood, then why didn't we see Nawaz Sharif appealing for Kashmir to recognized as UN member in his UNGA speech..such hypocrisy why?


Why Nawaz Shariff needs to raise before Kashmirs themselves even requesting that to happen? Its a Kashmiri Independence struggle first, Pakistan just facilitates it's brothers. So tomorrow Kashmirs on both sides start asking for statehood which they are now clearly starting too, Pak will have to support them.

And Pakistan is definitely a supporter of Palestinian statehood, as Palestinians themselves ask for their homeland back.

Kashmiris for 67 years only asked for plebiscite and referendum according to UN resolutions from India, and am sure now new Kashmir leaders are going to ask for State Recognition....Pakistan will be forced to obliged that too.

So whats wrong in implementing Nehru's promises ?

It is bound to restart another bleeding armed struggle in Kashmir, while Indian occupies with 700, 000 Indian security forces and spends over $15 billion a year.

Did you even bother to watch the video I posted? Pakistan is unwilling to follow 1st part of UN agreement without which no further steps can be taken. You are one delusional fellow.

I ll watch in spare time and then reply you.
 
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