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Indians specially the BJP blind worshipers should stop bitching,spare the world from this emotional diarrhea and for once accept that Modi is not the pinnacle of wisdom.He is a man who errs and this time he blundered by creating this whole NSG hysteria and propped up unneccassary emotions and sensation througout India.India was never worthy of the NSG without NPT,this was just US trying to push and bend the rules to go forward with its geopoltical agenda for the region.
Now Modi has to deliver this membership to satisty the ego of his nation and save his face and he will but not before bowing in front of the Chinese and getting blackmailed into giving China the economic favors which India wouldnt ever have given normally.
Now Modi has to deliver this membership to satisty the ego of his nation and save his face and he will but not before bowing in front of the Chinese and getting blackmailed into giving China the economic favors which India wouldnt ever have given normally.
Trade will continue, China will make more money against India. India have no issues with China in SCS but Indian navy continue to conduct navy drills with Vietnamese and Philippines navy flexing its 56 inch chest. India have nothing to gain but more to lose by demonstrating immature stunts.
NEW DELHI: India's high energy, high profile campaign to get into the NSG failed Friday morning, as China remained adamantly opposed to even considering the issue.
After a plenary meeting in Seoul, which saw Chinese diplomats attempt to block even a discussion, the 48-member nuclear cartel could not take a decision on India's membership.
A last minute diplomatic outreach by Prime Minister Narendra Modi with Chinese president Xi Jinping also failed to cut any ice.
A big outcome of the NSG failure is that India will now not ratify the Paris Agreement anytime soon. That agreement is a key element of US President Barack Obama's legacy.
The Indian statement says clearly, "An early positive decision by the NSG would have allowed us to move forward on the Paris Agreement." This will be a big blow to the Obama administration which wanted India to ratify the pact so it could enter into force.
It was understood that an NSG membership would help India clear the Paris Agreement.
In the end, diplomats said 38 countries declared outright support for India's accession, while nine others held out questions on procedure. China however maintained its line against India which helped to sway fence-sitters like Ireland, New Zealand and Austria, who pushed for a process and criteria to determine entry of non-NPT countries.
Others like Switzerland spoke about rules of entry but supported India, said sources in the room. China's closest ally was Turkey, they said.
The NSG non-decision on India's membership will have implications for India's bilateral relations with China. While no one was willing to go public, China's open hostility to India's global aspirations is now out in the open, which will make it difficult, coming as it does after China's refusal to sanction terror leader Masood Azhar.
Chinese diplomats exercised a filibuster for the better part of Thursday to block a discussion on India. They only relented to a three-hour discussion on "technical, Legal and Political Aspects of the Participation of non-NPT States in the NSG" on condition that there would be no decision.
Ultimately, it took the joint efforts of the western countries, UK, Germany, France, Australia and US to build in an escape clause for India in the NSG plenary statement. The key sentence there, "Participating Governments reiterated their firm support for the full, complete and effective implementation of the NPT as the cornerstone of the international non-proliferation regime" was amended by some countries to include the word "implementation of the NPT" rather than "adherence" to NPT. This helps India revisit the NSG membership question later this year or the next NSG plenary in Switzerland.
India has maintained that even as a non-NPT nation, it had implemented all NPT commitments.
A less remarked aspect of the NSG meeting was the lack of high level American support for India. Sources in Washington said the Obama administration put some of its middle level bureaucrats to make the necessary calls on India's behalf, which doesn't carry adequate heft. Unlike in 2008, when George Bush and Condoleezza Rice took a personal interest, there was no intervention by either Obama or Kerry. That made it easier for China to maintain its tough position, without adequate pushback from the US.
China's insistence on NPT as criteria was clarified by its senior foreign ministry official, Wang Qun. Speaking to journalists on the sidelines of the NSG, he said, "If exceptions are allowed here or there on the question of NPT, the international non-proliferation order will collapse altogether... NPT is a must. In other words, the applicant state shall be party to the NPT." China has been a major proliferator of nuclear and missile technology to North Korea and Pakistan, so its insistence on NPT as a cornerstone of the non-proliferation regime is ironic.
A dejected MEA pointedly referred to "procedural hurdles persistently raised by one country" behind the NSG impasse. Responding to China's suggestion on the NPT, MEA said, "Our stand on the NPT is well known. But let me underline that in September 2008, the NSG itself addressed this issue. Paragraph 1 (a) of the September 2008 decision states that the decision on India contributes to the "widest possible implementation of the provisions and objectives of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons". There is thus no contradiction between the NPT and India's closer engagement with the NSG."
The Modi government might come in for some flak for the failure to get an NSG decision, especially after mounting such a big campaign. But top level sources in government said, "we tried to the best of our ability, that we consider to be more important."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ation-may-be-delayed/articleshow/52906697.cms
After a plenary meeting in Seoul, which saw Chinese diplomats attempt to block even a discussion, the 48-member nuclear cartel could not take a decision on India's membership.
A last minute diplomatic outreach by Prime Minister Narendra Modi with Chinese president Xi Jinping also failed to cut any ice.
A big outcome of the NSG failure is that India will now not ratify the Paris Agreement anytime soon. That agreement is a key element of US President Barack Obama's legacy.
The Indian statement says clearly, "An early positive decision by the NSG would have allowed us to move forward on the Paris Agreement." This will be a big blow to the Obama administration which wanted India to ratify the pact so it could enter into force.
It was understood that an NSG membership would help India clear the Paris Agreement.
In the end, diplomats said 38 countries declared outright support for India's accession, while nine others held out questions on procedure. China however maintained its line against India which helped to sway fence-sitters like Ireland, New Zealand and Austria, who pushed for a process and criteria to determine entry of non-NPT countries.
Others like Switzerland spoke about rules of entry but supported India, said sources in the room. China's closest ally was Turkey, they said.
The NSG non-decision on India's membership will have implications for India's bilateral relations with China. While no one was willing to go public, China's open hostility to India's global aspirations is now out in the open, which will make it difficult, coming as it does after China's refusal to sanction terror leader Masood Azhar.
Chinese diplomats exercised a filibuster for the better part of Thursday to block a discussion on India. They only relented to a three-hour discussion on "technical, Legal and Political Aspects of the Participation of non-NPT States in the NSG" on condition that there would be no decision.
Ultimately, it took the joint efforts of the western countries, UK, Germany, France, Australia and US to build in an escape clause for India in the NSG plenary statement. The key sentence there, "Participating Governments reiterated their firm support for the full, complete and effective implementation of the NPT as the cornerstone of the international non-proliferation regime" was amended by some countries to include the word "implementation of the NPT" rather than "adherence" to NPT. This helps India revisit the NSG membership question later this year or the next NSG plenary in Switzerland.
India has maintained that even as a non-NPT nation, it had implemented all NPT commitments.
A less remarked aspect of the NSG meeting was the lack of high level American support for India. Sources in Washington said the Obama administration put some of its middle level bureaucrats to make the necessary calls on India's behalf, which doesn't carry adequate heft. Unlike in 2008, when George Bush and Condoleezza Rice took a personal interest, there was no intervention by either Obama or Kerry. That made it easier for China to maintain its tough position, without adequate pushback from the US.
China's insistence on NPT as criteria was clarified by its senior foreign ministry official, Wang Qun. Speaking to journalists on the sidelines of the NSG, he said, "If exceptions are allowed here or there on the question of NPT, the international non-proliferation order will collapse altogether... NPT is a must. In other words, the applicant state shall be party to the NPT." China has been a major proliferator of nuclear and missile technology to North Korea and Pakistan, so its insistence on NPT as a cornerstone of the non-proliferation regime is ironic.
A dejected MEA pointedly referred to "procedural hurdles persistently raised by one country" behind the NSG impasse. Responding to China's suggestion on the NPT, MEA said, "Our stand on the NPT is well known. But let me underline that in September 2008, the NSG itself addressed this issue. Paragraph 1 (a) of the September 2008 decision states that the decision on India contributes to the "widest possible implementation of the provisions and objectives of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons". There is thus no contradiction between the NPT and India's closer engagement with the NSG."
The Modi government might come in for some flak for the failure to get an NSG decision, especially after mounting such a big campaign. But top level sources in government said, "we tried to the best of our ability, that we consider to be more important."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ation-may-be-delayed/articleshow/52906697.cms
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Then ask your Omnipotent Govt to stop whining about Indian oil exploration in Vietnamese territory.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...uted-South-China-Sea/articleshow/44960780.cms
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Very true my friend.
China has complete power over "Made In China" goods manufactured for a non-Chinese company and also Rare elements sourced from China used in electronics manufactured by other nations.
For example if a rare earth element sourced from China used in manufacturing of electronics for US ICBMs.
CCP leadership can exercise full control over how USA uses, and can demonstrate its control by stating:
"I, the supreme divine heavenly omnipotent authority CCP command you lowly mortals of USA to not use our Chinese extracted rare earth elements in your ICBM electronics "
American leadership will respond to this by saying:
"Yes your highness, we lowly Americans mortals will remove all the electronics containing Chinese extracted rare earth elements right away from our missile targeting you. Just please do not unleash your wrath upon us"
Congrats to your nation on this great achievement
LOL, what are you talking about?
My point is that if you want to safely boycott China, then you can't use any manufactured goods at all. And especially not any electronics.
China's reach is far, we invest all over the world in all sorts of things.
The only way to safely boycott China is to live in a jungle somewhere, wearing leaves and eating coconuts.
The area is disputed that is why China objected. If you truly drilled in Vietnamese territory than there is no issue. However, when China's navy cross the Indian Ocean on international water Indians become wary. One Indian offical quoted, "We are watching their every move."
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No one country gains in a multilateral trade. China is in enough trouble in the South China Sea the last thing it wants is to have another axis of power in the south China sea and in the Indian ocean against it. What China did in the UN and now in the NSG was an immature stunt and there will be implications in the relationship between the two.
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Not worried..
Just those pop corns in our hands.
And how you enjoy a comedy show without pop corns..
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India signed the CISMOA/LSA in return for America giving them an NSG seat.
Unfortunately the USA wasn't able (or was not willing) to give it to them.
But why punish Obama? I'm sure he tried his best.
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oh there goes the chinese economy
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There is difference between objecting and being wary.
If Indian wariness bothers you so much, ask your Govt not to snoop on our exercises:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1160616/jsp/frontpage/story_91520.jsp#.V219u9J96M8
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