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[Max]

Do you respect your mother ?

more then scums who killed 6 sons of innocent mothers just today in fake encounters..

 

[Tiqiu]

Right, when we won't get free favours from our enemies, why to offer it to them? A more balanced trade comes in handy. I am just talking about ending the trade deficit with China.

It won't happen in a foreseeable future. Since the beginning of this century, China has almost bought all your exported iron ore. In 2008 when the iron ore price was peaked at U$140 per ton, China paid more than 10 billion U$ annually for your iron ore alone, which helped to keep the trade deficit under check. Nowadays, after your GOA export ban, especially with the commodity prices are at its historic low, many countries are lining up to supply iron ore to China. Also for your another big export earner to China like copper and cotton, the prices are determined by Chinese Shanghai Futures Exchange and Darlian Commodity Exchange. India has a little leverage in the pricing.

Of course you can try to shrink the deficit by buying less China-made goods. But you need to find a substitute first.

 

[OrionHunter]

On to the next round!

Hmm.....How many more rounds? We got KO'ed in the first round itself!! Lol!

Jeeez!

 

[Director General]

Indian media Is far more credible than Pakistan media.
India is ranked 133 in press freedom index whereas Pakistan is a huge 14 ranks behind at 147.
BTW the statement of PM Modi thanking Russia for support at NSG is issued by the Ministry of External Affairs itself

But Dawn (a very credible media outlet) is saying otherwise....We are also surprised at this news.....The news source you are quoting doesn't seems to be authentic......may be part of PM Modi's P.R or hired team to spread misinformation and propaganda to brainwash and make Indians delusional about themselves.

The day you guys signed Logistics agreement with US, was the day u slapped Russia on her face. There's a high possibility China did some magic behind the screen to get russia's support.

 

[jaunty]

Massive diplomatic defeat for India.. How much some Indian posters here try to save face citing the bilateral waiver with individual countries, This will have a deep impact on the Modi government especially when India wants to be seen as a major global player.. The Indian PM's office and Mr. Modi himself personally made a huge diplomatic effort in to this, Campaigning not only for it's admittance but also in a bid to alienate China somewhat, Sure the US and some of it's western allies used the bid to prop up India against China for their own regional interests, But in all honestly India came out of this all battered and bruised.. And seems like a number of countries indeed changed it's stance even after assuring India and PM Modi of their support..

Indians need to realize the exclusive clubs like the NSG and the UNSC P5, Doesn't really open doors for outsiders.. Especially when veto powers are involved

I won't call it a huge diplomatic defeat for the govt given that they managed to convince at least 90% of the member states and soften others like China. But it is definitely a setback, a reminder for fanboys (although I doubt they'd understand) that diplomacy is way more complex than chest-thumping. I liked the Manmohan Singh approach better, managed to quietly get a unanimous NSG waiver without scoring points in the media.

 

[Quibbler]

India's NSG seat and UNSC seat are still available...

IF they come to the table for an honest negotiation.

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Let's be frank, China and India are NOT friends. We all know this.

Yet whenever India needs something (NSG/UNSC), they suddenly pretend that they are our friends, and ask for "free favours", like in the case of the NSG.

Then at the same time, they went behind China and did their best to try and guilt/isolate China into supporting their NSG bid, by making deals with every other country besides China. Hoping that foreign pressure would force China to succumb. Sorry, that never works. Only one veto is ever needed, that's how veto power works.

But they never did the thing which could actually give them what they want. Which is to come to the negotiating table and offer us something in return.

For example, India agreed to sign the CISMOA/LSA in return for America getting them the NSG seat (which they failed to deliver). India has never fought a war with America... yet they paid SO much for America's support in the NSG (the biggest payment possible). Did India really expect China to offer the same support for free, considering that we are NOT friends?

You want something, you offer something in return. That's how the world works.

Now let India come and negotiate. We are businessmen after all.

"In international relations there are no friends or foes just national interests". This line has been used by yourself countless times and still you use terms like this for China and USA so losely. Foreign relations are not built in a day nor are the great games played over a meeting, they span decades. You naively call USA our friend and China our enemy.

Foreign policy is not defined by win or loose matches (eg this NSG meet) as portrayed by the media or as conceived by most PDF members. It is not even defined by prestige. You might not like India's steps recently very much but i think you should recognize that India's foreign policy is independent, stable and mature(however maybe a little less experienced).

India has had a long mistrust of USA and that continues. The only thing India is doing is to position itself(CISMOA/LSA) to maximize benefits. Talking of UNSC or even NSG membership would have been a distant dream if India had taken a neutral stand. If you go through these agreements, they are barely binding and are more on case to case basis and mutual understanding. The only things that these agreements do is give India and USA relation the agility to pivot quickly. There is no toll on India sovereignty.

Going forward i think Indian foreign policy will take a flat blade approach. Economic ties will actually be increased. Investment will be opened up, thus giving China a stake in the India economy. But market barriers will still remain. However international cooperation will take a beating and more overt opposition by India in forums like BRICS, BASICS, NDB, and even AIIB will become more visible.


Personal Note- I have been following your posts for last 5 years. One of the few posters i make sure to read. Thanks buddy for making this forum worthwhile.

 

[Director General]

@PaklovesTurkiye @Taimoor Khan @HAIDER

 

[Mufflerman]

If New Delhi has the balls, we should do the following.

1) De-recognise One China. Declare Tibet, inner Mongolia and Xinjiang as territories under occupation. Recognise Tibetan Government under exile as official Government of Tibet. Open Tibetan embassy. Open Taiwanese embassy.
2) Form a NATO like alliance with Japan, Australia and Vietnam as founding members with open agenda of containing China. Offer these nations nuclear umbrella against China. Open naval bases in Cam Rann Bay and Parcel and Spartley island.
3) Get out of Brics and all other nonsense organisations
4) Ban all electronics imports from China. If companies want to do business with the second largest electronics consumer in the world, they have to manufacture locally.
5) Start parallel nuclear commerce groups with the West, Japan and other nuclear tech/mineral rich economies.

UN is already an impotent group so nothing to gain there.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

If New Delhi has the balls, we should do the following.

1) De-recognise One China. Declare Tibet, inner Mongolia and Xinjiang as territories under occupation. Recognise Tibetan Government under exile as official Government of Tibet. Open Tibetan embassy. Open Taiwanese embassy.
2) Form a NATO like alliance with Japan, Australia and Vietnam as founding members with open agenda of containing China. Offer these nations nuclear umbrella against China. Open naval bases in Cam Rann Bay and Parcel and Spartley island.
3) Get out of Brics and all other nonsense organisations
4) Ban all electronics imports from China. If companies want to do business with the second largest electronics consumer in the world, they have to manufacture locally.
5) Start parallel nuclear commerce groups with the West, Japan and other nuclear tech/mineral rich economies.

UN is already an impotent group so nothing to gain there.

That's actually a good post.

Unfortunately India just joined the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organisation) and pissed off America by doing so.

 

[bolo]

If New Delhi has the balls, we should do the following.

1) De-recognise One China. Declare Tibet, inner Mongolia and Xinjiang as territories under occupation. Recognise Tibetan Government under exile as official Government of Tibet. Open Tibetan embassy. Open Taiwanese embassy.
2) Form a NATO like alliance with Japan, Australia and Vietnam as founding members with open agenda of containing China. Offer these nations nuclear umbrella against China. Open naval bases in Cam Rann Bay and Parcel and Spartley island.
3) Get out of Brics and all other nonsense organisations
4) Ban all electronics imports from China. If companies want to do business with the second largest electronics consumer in the world, they have to manufacture locally.
5) Start parallel nuclear commerce groups with the West, Japan and other nuclear tech/mineral rich economies.

UN is already an impotent group so nothing to gain there.

 

[Imran Khan]

anyhow pakistani FO have victory this time by creating useless hype on this issue and dragged india down not for us not for you

 

[Mufflerman]

That's actually a good post.

Unfortunately India just joined the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organisation) and pissed off America by doing so.

I know. We think with our feet when it comes to geopolitics. We still think China will be our 'friend' despite China nuclearizing Pakistan.

 

[Imran Khan]

If New Delhi has the balls, we should do the following.

1) De-recognise One China. Declare Tibet, inner Mongolia and Xinjiang as territories under occupation. Recognise Tibetan Government under exile as official Government of Tibet. Open Tibetan embassy. Open Taiwanese embassy.
2) Form a NATO like alliance with Japan, Australia and Vietnam as founding members with open agenda of containing China. Offer these nations nuclear umbrella against China. Open naval bases in Cam Rann Bay and Parcel and Spartley island.
3) Get out of Brics and all other nonsense organisations
4) Ban all electronics imports from China. If companies want to do business with the second largest electronics consumer in the world, they have to manufacture locally.
5) Start parallel nuclear commerce groups with the West, Japan and other nuclear tech/mineral rich economies.

UN is already an impotent group so nothing to gain there.

man just for NSG all this ?

 

[MilSpec]

Looks like you overestimated your dad.
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How about refraining from insulting nationalities.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

How about refraining from insulting nationalities.

I have no problem with any country at all. Why would I?

Just surprised at how they thought America was so powerful that they could even overwrite veto power. Despite common sense telling them otherwise.