India and NSG-News, Updates and Discussions.

[21 Dec 2012]

Interesting.
India shall accept Chinese suzerainty and pay annual tribute in exchange for NSG/UNSC table.

Or else.......
@BuddhaPalm @HongWu002

 

[neem456]

LOL, No actually you should thank Zardari for the 2008 wavier as it was his government that recalled the "letter of objection" by Pakistan which the Beijing was suppose to use as a pretext to put you and Uncle Sam in their place.

Rather china and pakistan was put in its place. lol
How you wish it was other way around.

One thing at a time, we have already put India and her sugardaddy America in its place with just mere two or three weeks of intense diplomacy. India application was plan sailing into NSG, under radar thanks for yanks TILL we said, "hang on a minute". Its only then the world took notice and had their "OH sh|t" moment.

Rather its a win for USA as expected, they have exposed china naked in front of india . Further i will let time unfold the rest of the story, coz interesting sets of events are to be followed which will impact the bilateral relations of india an china.
And pakistan ,well they were once again shown their place when their application was not even considered for discussion, what a embarrassment.

This is just the start, even Russia and Switzerland backstabbed you lot. Considering China, Russia and Brazil, showing middle finger to India, should be the eye opener. Yanks can only take you so far, dont put your hope too high, otherwise there will be humiliations like this in future as well. You can now effectively kiss your security council membership wet dream goodbye as well.

That is pakistani media reporting, meant to be taken with bucket of salt.
Russia is taking the benefit of waiver and on the way to complete their plant in tamil nadu. Only stupid will believe that russia voted against their own interest and invesments.

As for Pakistan, we hardly give monkies to NSG, we just came as spoilers and we did our job rather ruthlessly. As we speak, we have signed and building the same amounts of nuclear reactor as India ever since that so called 2008 wavier. We are getting whatever we want, with or without NSG.

SPOILERS, Exactly !.
Well, thanks for admission, that is all you have achieved and your relevance is after so many years of independence. Spoiler for india, otherwise no one would take you seriously.

Going forward, if you want NSG memebership, you need to get your act together and seek Islamabad consent first so we can lobby for you in Beijing.

We already got MCTR, we got NSG waiver, we are banging UN doors, will get NSG in future eventually.
You can only keep waiting for india to consult pakistan on anything, like you did in 2008. lol

 

[GURU DUTT]

On a separate yet more important issue:

Where does it lead the Yanks and their reputation after this NSG saga?

With UK leaving Euro, France and Germany will be on their own. They simply cannot afford to toe the American lines anymore. They need to develop their own independent forigen policy and be neutral in this now very apparent bipolar world. By toeing American line in this NSG meeting, the egg is on their face as well.

its all about mutual trade and economic benefits more than anything else as niether the russian nor the chinese will ever let western european nations or there industries get benfits and will always try to harm them hence all western nations including UK and even turkey cannot leave USA

but even if you leave it out tell me whats your most important exports and to which nations can you let it go just like that

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

now the question is what china need in return ?FTA ?

Haha do you think India will sign an FTA, I think they would rather be vetoed. Even though an FTA is nothing in comparison to CISMOA/LSA.

First of all there is no question of india even discussing seriously CISMOA, regarding LSA its toned down version india agreed to but even this lighter version has not been signed yet. so all this is publicity that india signed both these

china itself look what it has been doing in UN shielding terrorists,

Well, you paid so much to USA for their NSG support (which they failed to deliver) yet you expect free favours from us, an "enemy" country?

Do you believe that you can get our support for free... and you didn't need to give anything in return? Do you think the world works like that?

Next time you buy something from a shop, try refusing to pay for it?

 

[neem456]

but you are campaigning for it for decades.. Give us a year or two atleast..

Why two ? You have all the years you want sir.
But remember to apply your bid independently whenever you want? You are a independent nation for god sake, how long you will need indias finger to enter into such clubs.

And we will not even oppose your bid the way you did our FM have already said that on record. You prove your merit to NSG and we are fine with it.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Oops... we ll know when india is in pain they play dirty game in Karachi...
In few days since this NSG started we had doctors army men police sabri got killed and 3 fires at same time exactily 300 people died after bombay incident...
India wont get any where till he fullfill its promise on Kashmir.. either it goes with Pak or seprate from both..or keep 700 thousand army there till the dooms day.

 

[OrionHunter]

This is what i m talking about.......Pakistan will instantly sign NPT if India does that.....

Unlike India's case, Pakistan is not asking China to get him enter into NSG without signing NPT.......

Huh? But Pakistan desperately wants membership of the NSG too. Read this....

Pakistan asks US to support its NSG bid

Pakistan has formally asked the US administration and Congress to support its application for joining the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG).

Pakistan submitted a formal application in Vienna last month, expressing its desire to join the group. But the US administration and Congress are both unwilling to support Pakistan.

In a letter to the US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, Pakistan’s Ambassador Jalil Abbas Jilani reminded Congress that Pakistan had taken a series of steps that qualify it for joining the NSG.

Pakistan submitted a formal application in Vienna last month, expressing its desire to join the group. But the US administration and Congress are both unwilling to support Pakistan.

The letter, shared with Dawn, expresses Pakistan’s willingness to accept the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) safeguards on all foreign supplied nuclear reactors and nuclear materials similar to the current IAEA safeguards in place on all of Pakistan’s civilian nuclear facilities.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1263664

Nowhere has Pakistan mentioned anything about its readiness to sign the NPT first. Pakistan just wants to gatecrash into the exclusive club notwithstanding it's proliferation credentials. AQ Khan and his escapades will probably haunt you till kingdom come!

 

[Gibbs]

Massive diplomatic defeat for India.. How much some Indian posters here try to save face citing the bilateral waiver with individual countries, This will have a deep impact on the Modi government especially when India wants to be seen as a major global player.. The Indian PM's office and Mr. Modi himself personally made a huge diplomatic effort in to this, Campaigning not only for it's admittance but also in a bid to alienate China somewhat, Sure the US and some of it's western allies used the bid to prop up India against China for their own regional interests, But in all honestly India came out of this all battered and bruised.. And seems like a number of countries indeed changed it's stance even after assuring India and PM Modi of their support..

Indians need to realize the exclusive clubs like the NSG and the UNSC P5, Doesn't really open doors for outsiders.. Especially when veto powers are involved

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

The 56 inch has brought unneccessary embarrassment and pressure on India.
By making the NSG and by extension UNSC a matter of life and death,India has successfully put China in a place where the latter can exploit and capitalize the former economically and keep on using the 'all weather friendship' card untill desired results are obtained.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Huh? But Pakistan desperately wants membership of the NSG too. Read this....

Pakistan asks US to support its NSG bid

Pakistan has formally asked the US administration and Congress to support its application for joining the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG).

Pakistan submitted a formal application in Vienna last month, expressing its desire to join the group. But the US administration and Congress are both unwilling to support Pakistan.

In a letter to the US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, Pakistan’s Ambassador Jalil Abbas Jilani reminded Congress that Pakistan had taken a series of steps that qualify it for joining the NSG.

Pakistan submitted a formal application in Vienna last month, expressing its desire to join the group. But the US administration and Congress are both unwilling to support Pakistan.

The letter, shared with Dawn, expresses Pakistan’s willingness to accept the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) safeguards on all foreign supplied nuclear reactors and nuclear materials similar to the current IAEA safeguards in place on all of Pakistan’s civilian nuclear facilities.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1263664

Nowhere has Pakistan mentioned anything about its readiness to sign the NPT first. Pakistan just wants to gatecrash into the exclusive club notwithstanding it's proliferation credentials. AQ Khan and his escapades will probably haunt you till kingdom come!

in short they are more happy by indias misfortune than being worried and sad about there own misery .... if you know what i mean

 

[Srinivas]

Those are all done by ISI, they started an operation in Sindh !

Oops... we ll know when india is in pain they play dirty game in Karachi...
In few days since this NSG started we had doctors army men police sabri got killed and 3 fires at same time exactily 300 people died after bombay incident...
India wont get any where till he fullfill its promise on Kashmir.. either it goes with Pak or seprate from both..or keep 700 thousand army there till the dooms day.

 

[Director General]

@Imran Khan @ZAC1 @Irfan Baloch @BetterPakistan @Taimoor Khan @HAIDER @PaklovesTurkiye

The News regarding Russia blocking Turkey are completely false:<br>
<br>
Just 30 minutes back PM Modi thanked Putin himself for supporting India at NSG.<br>
<br>

https://twitter.com/x/status/746307254685622273

https://twitter.com/x/status/746206664517312512

https://twitter.com/x/status/746209915660689409

 

[Imran Khan]

@Imran Khan @ZAC1 @Irfan Baloch @BetterPakistan @taimoorkhan @HAIDER @paklovesturkiye<br>
<br>
The News regarding Russia blocking Turkey are completely false:<br>
<br>
Just 30 minutes back PM Modi thanked Putin himself for supporting India at NSG.<br>
<br>

https://twitter.com/x/status/746307254685622273

good for both

 

[Srinivas]

The attitude of CCP needs to change, I doubt the insecure CCP who thinks one decade economic revolution is enough to rule the world has some issues in this regard.

India's NSG seat and UNSC seat are still available...

IF they come to the table for an honest negotiation.

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Let's be frank, China and India are NOT friends. We all know this.

Yet whenever India needs something (NSG/UNSC), they suddenly pretend that they are our friends, and ask for "free favours", like in the case of the NSG.

Then at the same time, they went behind China and did their best to try and guilt/isolate China into supporting their NSG bid, by making deals with every other country besides China. Hoping that foreign pressure would force China to succumb. Sorry, that never works. Only one veto is ever needed, that's how veto power works.

But they never did the thing which could actually give them what they want. Which is to come to the negotiating table and offer us something in return.

For example, India agreed to sign the CISMOA/LSA in return for America getting them the NSG seat (which they failed to deliver). India has never fought a war with America... yet they paid SO much for America's support in the NSG (the biggest payment possible). Did India really expect China to offer the same support for free, considering that we are NOT friends?

You want something, you offer something in return. That's how the world works.

Now let India come and negotiate. We are businessmen after all.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Those are all done by ISI, they started an operation in Sindh !

Obsessed indian with ISI trolling becomming indian nations habbit..
Its state of Pak who started this operation..