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[DesiGuy1403]

Unfortunately, everything is made in China. I don't know how anyone can avoid that.

Not really.
If a govt wants, it can get local alternatives pretty fast, by giving subsidies etc.
Point is, it all depends of the will of current govt.

 

[Nilgiri]

Unfortunately, everything is made in China. I don't know how anyone can avoid that.

Purely end use consumption products can be tarrifed under dumping norms till they effecitvely become a quota. Then let the case China puts in WTO drag on for however long giving a window for indian and other countries suppliers to fill it in the meantime.

Intermediates can be analysed as to their benefit for further labour processing within India and tariffed accordingly.

No free rides given to Chinese suppliers. They will be discriminated and treated prejudicially by Indian govt.

 

[SR-91]

Not really.
If a govt wants, it can get local alternatives pretty fast, by giving subsidies etc.
Point is, it all depends of the will of current govt.

Local alternatives???

Do explain.

 

[rcrmj]

indians````apart from making sensational headlines and self-consolation they aren't really good at anything

'achieving hidden goal'
'isolating China'
'moral high ground'
'alliance with america'

what more mental-masturbation you lot are contemplating on to ridicule yourselves?

at the end day, with massive 1.3billion population, you are still a chess played by others on international stage, I dont see any reason India can be a serious player anyway

 

[DesiGuy1403]

Local alternatives???

Do explain.

Examples are Chinese imported items which have local alternatives, examples like Chinese fire crackers & Chinese murthys etc..
You don't need to go at high tech items immediately. But there are significant number of low tech items with local alternatives in India that can be readily targeted.

 

[SR-91]

Purely end use consumption products can be tarrifed under dumping norms till they effecitvely become a quota. Then let the case China puts in WTO drag on for however long giving a window for indian and other countries suppliers to fill it in the meantime.

Intermediates can be analysed as to their benefit for further labour processing within India and tariffed accordingly.

No free rides given to Chinese suppliers. They will be discriminated and treated prejudicially by Indian govt.

Examples are Chinese imported items which have local alternatives, examples like Chinese fire crackers & Chinese murthys etc..
You don't need to go at high tech items immediately. But there are significant number of low tech items with local alternatives in India that can be readily targeted.

I'm the last person here advocating for China, but this will hurt India more than it will help. Political implications are high..

"We should not punch below our weight but we should not try to punch above weight".

----------AJIT DOVAL-----------

 

[neem456]

Latest TOI is reporting that now 47 out of 48 countries are supporting india and only opposition is from china alone.

Is this true, any other source confirming this ?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Indias-NSG-bid-stops-at-China-wall/articleshow/52891969.cms

 

[DesiGuy1403]

I'm the last person here advocating for China, but this will hurt India more than it will help. Political implications are high..

"We should not punch below our weight but we should not try to punch above weight".

----------AJIT DOVAL-----------

Sir, it's not a question of us punching some one.
we are already being punched. Question now is, will we punch back or will we just take the punches and pretend the punches never came.

 

[neem456]

And Where is Pak Standing ?? How many oppose or supported in 48 ???

Sir, NSG rejected their case even to be discussed.
Only indian case is under scrutiny.

Lol 47 out of 48?...Turkey, SA, NZ, Austria +1 or 2 countries also opposed Indian membership...Seems these countries reject US Pressure...!

Sir things are changing on hourly basis, its like a live match, gone down the wire.
As the day begin it was 6-7 countries opposing, as the day ended now it is china alone.

1:47 should be trending today to shame china.

So much for supporting peaceful rise.

 

[thesolar65]

Efforts to get entry into elite NSG club is OK. But please intensify efforts to harness Thorium power instead of running after elusive Uranium.

@danger007 @Nilgiri @Tamilnadu

Handshake in Tashkent, Backstabbing in Seoul. That's what my local newspapers are reporting. China won't support even if India signs NPT(which it won't though). India has to strive hard to get nuclear energy on its own like the supercomp saga of 80's. And do you guys think India should try another time? I don't think so.

 

[Nilgiri]

I'm the last person here advocating for China, but this will hurt India more than it will help. Political implications are high..

"We should not punch below our weight but we should not try to punch above weight".

----------AJIT DOVAL-----------

Explain how it will hurt India? We have already taken action against Chinese steel dumping....and thats an intermediate good.

Finished goods are the really soft target. Our consumers can take a little hit on the price increase if needed, esp if it means helping domestic and non-chinese industry.

What are we importing from China that is absolutely critical? Energy? Nope. Transport? Nope. Education? Nope. Health? Nope.....Imports of finished goods are price elastic...so are the machinery and capital goods, plenty of suppliers for those...even domestic ones. A little closing off from China can be a good thing for India from that stand point alone.

The only thing that needs caution are intermediate goods that are inputs for Indian manufacturing jobs. Other than that, pretty punitive action can be taken. Indian exports to China are not that significant if they resort to a trade war. CAD will improve overall.

 

[danger007]

Efforts to get entry into elite NSG club is OK. But please intensify efforts to harness Thorium power instead of running after elusive Uranium.

@danger007 @Nilgiri @Tamilnadu

Handshake in Tashkent, Backstabbing in Seoul. That's what my local newspapers are reporting. China won't support even if India signs NPT(which it won't though). India has to strive hard to get nuclear energy on its own like the supercomp saga of 80's. And do you guys think India should try another time? I don't think so.

China trying hard to get cookies, the recent developments be it JAPAN admission into Malabar or recent developments with USA.. that is china you can't expect much... just blackmail politics ..

 

[Nilgiri]

Efforts to get entry into elite NSG club is OK. But please intensify efforts to harness Thorium power instead of running after elusive Uranium.

@danger007 @Nilgiri @Tamilnadu

Handshake in Tashkent, Backstabbing in Seoul. That's what my local newspapers are reporting. China won't support even if India signs NPT(which it won't though). India has to strive hard to get nuclear energy on its own like the supercomp saga of 80's. And do you guys think India should try another time? I don't think so.

Its for temporary needs only bro. 3 Step thorium cycle is in full force as well...but we need uranium to hedge as well...especially till thorium research is completed and technology fully matured.

There is no harm in trying again to get into NSG either....but better is to put plan B into motion (form another group with relevant parties).

 

[DesiGuy1403]

Its for temporary needs only bro. 3 Step thorium cycle is in full force as well...but we need uranium to hedge as well...especially till thorium research is completed and technology fully matured.

There is no harm in trying again to get into NSG either....but better is to put plan B into motion (form another group with relevant parties).

If China does stall our entry into NSG, it will be second time China would have done a direct harm to Indian interests.

It will be time for India to kick out Hindi-China Bhai Bhai song and sing a different tune, which would hurt the Chinese...

 

[agamdilawari]

India bags all but China’s vote, decision on NSG bid likely on Friday

Prime Minister Narendra Modi with Chinese President Xi Jinping during a meeting in Tashkent on Thursday. (PTI Photo)

• Even as the Seoul meeting was taking place, on the other side of Asia in Uzbekistan, Prime Minister Narendra Modi was making a direct appeal to Chinese President Xi Jinping to support India’s entry to the NSG, saying China should make a “fair and objective” assessment of India’s candidature. Modi’s message was described as “very direct.”
  
  At the Seoul meeting, Japan led the way by first raising India’s membership at the NSG meeting. It was seconded by Argentina which presented a report praising India’s nuclear nonproliferation record.
  
  China found itself left high and dry as, one by one, more than 30 NSG members declared their support for India’s joining the group. Contrary to initial reports, Brazil and South Africa were strong backers of India’s membership.
  
  Austria, Ireland, Switzerland and a few others said they supported Indian membership but wanted to know how the induction process would take place. Turkey, seen as Pakistan’s closest friend in the NSG after China, said it supported membership for both countries. However, Pakistan’s application was not even taken up by the other members.
  
  Beijing used a procedural block to hold up the meeting for five hours in the morning. It conceded after an additional clause, separate from the one about India, that the NSG should consider the “political, technical and legal issues” regarding non-NPT members was added. This is seen as a possible fig-leaf for Beijing to take back to Islamabad.
  
  The representatives, after another post-dinner round, broke for the night and contacted their respective governments for further instructions. The formal plenary begins on Friday.
  
  In Tashkent, during his 45-minute meeting with Xi, Modi said China should “join and contribute” to the emerging consensus among NSG members on India’s candidature, according to the external affairs ministry.
  
  Sources said Modi spoke about how India’s entry into the NSG will strengthen the global non-proliferation regime. His meeting with Xi was his first engagement in Tashkent.
  
  There was no official word on the response from Xi, who assured Pakistan President Mamnoon Hussain shortly before the meeting with Modi that China will adopt a “criteria-based approach” for NSG membership that will support Islamabad’s application.
  
  Continued Chinese opposition to India’s membership in the NSG could threaten bilateral relations between the two Asian giants, especially in fora like BRICS, the Russia-India-China triangle and even the climate change bloc BASIC.
  
  But officially Beijing has sought to de-link its position on NSG membership from its ties with India.
  
  “We believe that with regard to the admission of new members a decision shall be made with through discussion within the group,” Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said ahead of Modi’s meeting with Xi.
  
  “We do not believe that it (Beijing’s position on admitting new members to the NSG) is an issue concerning the bilateral relationship between China and India.”
  
  http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...y-on-friday/story-8ZZdZHRnEyPtxgleWsjTOI.html