India and China GDP increase per decade

[gpit]

First tea:


And here Ramayana doesn't means a holy book but a piece of literature, written over 2 millenia ago.

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It is not that any tree leave is a "tea".

Tea is from leaves of specific trees.

Simple knowledge:

Since the 18th century the United Kingdom has been one of the largest per capita tea consumers in the world, with each citizen consuming on average 1.9 kg per year.[1] The popularity of tea occasioned the furtive export of slips, a small shoot for planting or twig for grafting to tea plants, from China to British India and its commercial culture there, beginning in 1840; British interests controlled tea production in the subcontinent. Tea, which was an upper-class drink in Europe, became the infusion of every class in Great Britain in the course of the 18th century and has remained so.


Tea in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

History witnesses two important events when middle- upper-class of UK consuming so much tea and, in addition, importing so much silk, porcelain from China and resulting in huge trade deficit against UK:
1) planting opium in B. India to sell to China.
2) both stealing and buying large quantity of tea seeds from China and plant them in B. India.

Both methods were attempted to rebalance British trade with China.

Note that the Chinese then would only take silver as currency. Nobody there gave a sh!t to British pounds, causing UK to nearly emptied its silver reserve, and thus worried British greatly - and Opium War was their last resort.

Today's China enjoys again big trade surplus, but China now will not be a target of invasion due to its strong military, irrespective of faking up "UFO" intrusion news to fan up jingoism by a country, or any other means by any other countries, in an attempt to balance the trade.

 

[Ayush]

Invent is not the right word choice. Maybe cultivate. Well if I remember correctly, isn't Indian word for tea is "cha?" exactly the same as mandarin Chinese pronunciation. Anyway, no need to quibble over who invented what first. There is nothing wrong with borrowing and learning from each other.

Oh, thanks East Asia United for the info.

not cha but chai.. or chaye

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

How far is India behind in social indicators?

The World Bank indicators show that China reached India’s 2012 level of per capita income in 2003, Indonesia and the Philippines around 2007, while Vietnam’s per capita GDP was lower than India’s in 2012. Thailand reached that level of per capita income as far back as 1988. In South Asia, Sri Lanka’s per capita income matched India’s 2012 level in 2004. Putting it another way, India is nine years behind China in terms of per capita income, five years behind Indonesia and the Philippines and eight years behind Sri Lanka.

How far is India behind in social indicators? - Livemint

This doesn't make any sense, since India is not growing ANYWHERE close to the speed that China was growing in the past decade.

For example, in 2007 China had a real GDP growth rate of 14.2%.

Whereas India right now is around 4-5% GDP growth.

So how can you say you are only 10 years behind? If you were growing at the same rate China was growing in the past decade, then maybe your GDP could be the same as ours today after 10 more years.

But your growth rate is so far behind our growth rate in the past ten years that it doesn't make any sense.

 

[Kloitra]

So India invented airplane too, in xxx BC, just like tea? later it's been "lost" for 1 or 2,000 years before some Indian retards woke up one day and conviniently clamed that such such Indian holy books said so?

Get your facts straight. You indians are such natural liars!

I said a work of literature, not a holy book. Comprehension problem? A book written more than 2 millennia ago, even if it depicts mythology, is a piece of literary art. It is bound to contain parts of practices of contemporary culture. You can use common sense to differentiate imagination from reality, well, if you have some. For sure if it says airplane, it is imagination but if it says tea, it would not take a genius to understand that it was part of contemporary diet.

Let me clarify. Chai doesn't only means what is known as black tea, which was popularised by British. Indians already had a practice of drinking boiled herbs and spices, which included some species of tea. The Chai in its current form was indeed a British 'gift'. But the herbal drinks which find description in Ayurveda doesn't. They simply used local herbs and tea species.

Tea, rice, like gunpowder paper etc etc are recognised by the entire world for hundres of years that they were invented/first discovered & cultivated by the Chinese. There are literally thousands of hard evidences all over the place. It just happens that You Hinhi call tea "Cha", so conviniently the same as Mandarin Chinese? yeah right.

It might be true that first use of tea of might be in China, but I find it hard to believe that it was Chinese who taught Indians to boil some local leaves in water. Is it not possible that at two different civilizations space and time apart learnt the use on their own?

yeah right, agriculture = rice farming huh? no wonder you lot are the last in worldwide PISA ranking.

Agriculture includes rice farming. My point was that crop might have come from China, like many other species coming from different part of the world, doesn't means that it was Chinese who taught to use it. A civilization which learnt agriculture just need the grain, and it on its own can learn to use it. Can't understand how Chinese score high in PISA by cramming, cause everything has to be spelled to you. Can't use your brain a bit. Or may be the ones visiting this site are hand-picked samples, not representatives of general populace!

Fishnet WAS invented by the Chinese. It's well-recognised and there are plenty of hard proofs/ Google it. It's been passed thru to India either via SE Asia gradually, or directly by some Chinese monks or travellers in 600 AD or so - through I am only not sure which was more likely. In India, you people call fishnet "Chinese net" literally, exactly like when the Dutch/German call orange juice "sinaasappelsap"(chinese applejuice) and the Spanish call it "zumo de Mandarina"(Mandarin juice), in order to credit the origin of orange cultivating to the Chinese.

Stop lying, it's becoming pathetic!

History of fishing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Greek historian Polybius (ca 203 BC–120 BC), in his Histories, describes hunting for swordfish by using a harpoon with a barbed and detachable head.[16]

Pictorial evidence of Roman fishing comes from mosaics which show fishing from boats with rod and line as well as nets. Various species such as conger, lobster, sea urchin, octopus and cuttlefish are illustrated.[17] In a parody of fishing, a type of gladiator called retiarius was armed with a trident and a casting-net. He would fight against the murmillo, who carried a short sword and a helmet with the image of a fish on the front.

The Greco-Roman sea god Neptune is depicted as wielding a fishing trident.
Dutch fishermen using tridents in the 17th century

In India, the Pandyas, a classical Dravidian Tamil kingdom, were known for the pearl fishery as early as the 1st century BC. Their seaport Tuticorin was known for deep sea pearl fishing. The paravas, a Tamil caste centred in Tuticorin, developed a rich community because of their pearl trade, navigation knowledge and fisheries.

I said "ONE of the highest in the world".

Again, reading comprehension!

Again, have to spell everything. As if high birth rate was ever a driver of gdp! Indias surrounding countries, many countries around the world, all having higher birth rate but slower gdp growth rate. You just had to pull it out of your ....


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udge data? where and how?

you indians are the world leader of crooks and scams, even half a league ahead of Sub-Sahara African Champ Nigeria.

Need I even point this? Its all over the new!
China Tightens Trade-Document Scrutiny After Fake-Export Reports - Bloomberg

 

[Kloitra]

It is not that any tree leave is a "tea".

Tea is from leaves of specific trees.

Simple knowledge:

Tea plant is native to India (too). It is true that tea was not consumed as its current form, but using it as a herb, or in a boiled mixture of spices doesn't seam to be odd for Indians, does it?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_tea_culture

Tea cultivation in India has somewhat ambiguous origins. Though the extent of the popularity of tea in Ancient India is unknown, it is known that the tea plant was a wild plant in India that was indeed brewed by local inhabitants of different regions.[citation needed] But there is no substantial documentation of the history of tea drinking in the Indian subcontinent for the pre-colonial period. One can only speculate that tea leaves were widely used in Ancient India since the plant is native to some parts of India. The Singpho tribe and the Khamti tribe, inhabitants of the regions where the Camellia Sinensis plant grew native, have been consuming tea since the 12th century. It is also possible that tea may have been used under another name. Frederick R. Dannaway, in the essay “Tea As Soma”,[4] argues that tea was perhaps better known as “Soma” in Indian mythology. The tea plant is native to East and South Asia but the origins and history of tea are not precise. Many of the origin myths for tea are found in Chinese mythology, and the first verifiable records for tea consumption also point towards China. For details see History of Tea in China.
Dutch exploration

The next recorded reference to tea in India after the 12th century dates to 1598, when a Dutch traveler, Jan Huyghen van Linschoten, noted in a book that the leaves of the Assam tea plant were used by Indians as a vegetable, eaten with garlic and oil, and as a drink.[5][6]

The same year, another reference to tea in India was recorded, by a different group of Dutch explorers.[7]

Its kind of stupid to argue about who give what. Indians gave a whole religion and associated practices/culture, also martial arts to China. But it is stupid argument. China can make do without them, just like Indian civilization formed and could have evolved without any Chinese contribution.

It is great that as a culture both shared with each other, maintain friendly relations with each other.

 

[Gibbs]

How far is India behind in social indicators?

The World Bank indicators show that China reached India’s 2012 level of per capita income in 2003, Indonesia and the Philippines around 2007, while Vietnam’s per capita GDP was lower than India’s in 2012. Thailand reached that level of per capita income as far back as 1988. In South Asia, Sri Lanka’s per capita income matched India’s 2012 level in 2004. Putting it another way, India is nine years behind China in terms of per capita income, five years behind Indonesia and the Philippines and eight years behind Sri Lanka.

How far is India behind in social indicators? - Livemint

Thanks for that article.. Even being a Lankan it was a real eye opener on how successive governments in the island have strived for High HDI rates of the people and High GDP on par with some of the more advanced economies of Asia, And how much ahead we are in these factors compared to the rest of the region is glaring, Despite a long debilitating civil unrest for 30 long years along with corruption and misrule.. Credit where it's due to the policy makers of the country past and present

 

[Speeder 2]

I said a work of literature, not a holy book. Comprehension problem? A book written more than 2 millennia ago, even if it depicts mythology, is a piece of literary art. It is bound to contain parts of practices of contemporary culture. You can use common sense to differentiate imagination from reality well, if you have some. For sure if it says airplane, it is imagination but if it says tea, it would not take a genius to understand that it was part of contemporary diet.

Well, I hate to admit that differentiating Indian imagination from reality is proven quite tough, even with my IQ. BTW,just for the record, did that mythology "book" from somewhere BC, or in other words "literature arts" as you indians prefer to put it, mentioned something along the lines of 5th gen fighter, or jupiter and venus as well?

Let me clarify. Chai doesn't only means what is known as black tea, which was popularised by British. Indians already had a practice of drinking boiled herbs and spices, which included some species of tea.

So, if some anciant gurus/bushmen found unknown black coloured wild seeds and washed them down with water, can they therefore, just like you indians do, claim that they discovered coffee and coca cola?

The Chai in its current form was indeed a British 'gift'. But the herbal drinks which find description in Ayurveda doesn't. They simply used local herbs and tea species.

Your sub continent even didn't have cow dungs in X century BC for cow's sake, let alone "tea species" mind you! But that apparently doesn't stop you from coming to an int'l forum and bullsh!tting towards whereever your 2-digit "imagination" leads you, does it?

It might be true that first use of tea of might be in China, but I find it hard to believe that it was Chinese who taught Indians to boil some local leaves in water. Is it not possible that at two different civilizations space and time apart learnt the use on their own?

Right, "local leaves" = Tea.

Indian reading comprehension!

If that were the case, why wouldn't you genius smash some black soy beans and wash them down calling it "coffee", huh?

And what stops you from claiming that India invented gunpowder, too, while you genius seem to have plenty of black-coloured local powder and wild fire to start with in your history to say the least?

Agriculture includes rice farming.

Now it's getting more and more retarded...

The topic at hand has always been about rice cultivating, correct? WTF I care about agriculture in general?

So what if Agriculture includes rice farming?! in your logic, when you go eating curry chicken, let's use your Indian imagination once and for all, it's your favorate, surely you don't mind of someone serving you beef noodle instead do you? But hey, food includes both curry chicken and beef noodle mind you!

My point was that crop might have come from China, like many other species coming from different part of the world, doesn't means that it was Chinese who taught to use it. A civilization which learnt agriculture just need the grain, and it on its own can learn to use it.

Another point of you genius must be even though BMW come from Germany, like any autos coming from different part of the world, it doesn't mean that it was the Germans who taught Indians how to drive! A civilization which learnt how to drive an auto just need the auto, and it on its own can learn to drive it.

You must be an Indian intellectual elite as you are in Canada.

Now you wonder why Indians, including your best and the brightest,score the lowest in the worldwide PISA ranking?

Can't understand how Chinese score high in PISA by cramming, cause everything has to be spelled to you.

Now if you still can't understand at this point... go give yourself a BIG slam in the face. If that doesn't work either, well, May God save curry!

Can't use your brain a bit. Or may be the ones visiting this site are hand-picked samples, not representatives of general populace!

#^$*($)(@^$@)wdewqdq32w4983, WTH you're trying to say with that?

History of fishing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

wow, since when crappy wiki can be a source, most national sovereign and science topics aside?

Again, have to spell everything. As if high birth rate was ever a driver of gdp! Indias surrounding countries, many countries around the world, all having higher birth rate but slower gdp growth rate. You just had to pull it out of your ....

say again?!

in your logic, you must wonder why the heck poison snake bite is a driver of human deaths.

let me break it for ya, genius, the fact that many people got poison snake bites and didn't die in the end is no proof that they are immune to snake bites or snake bites is not a common driver for human death ...perhaps is because they got injected with anti-poison drugs later in hospitals?

Need I even point this? Its all over the new!
China Tightens Trade-Document Scrutiny After Fake-Export Reports - Bloomberg

wake me up when the europeans and americans show up the corresponding fake import documents? :yawn:

meanwhile, have you been to college?

 

[Götterdämmerung]

We in Europe also did boil herbs and leaves for medical purposes thousands of years ago. This kind of boiling herbs and leaves is called infusion, e.g. mint infusion but also falsely called mint tea because there is not one tea leave in it. The word tea was not even known here until it was imported from China.

 

[Kloitra]

Well, I hate to admit that differentiating Indian imagination from reality is proven quite tough, even with my IQ. BTW,just for the record, did that mythology "book" from somewhere BC, or in other words "literature arts" as you indians prefer to put it, mentioned something along the lines of 5th gen fighter, or jupiter and venus as well?





So, if some anciant gurus/bushmen found unknown black coloured wild seeds and washed them down with water, can they therefore, just like you indians do, claim that they discovered coffee and coca cola?






Your sub continent even didn't have cow dungs in X century BC for cow's sake, let alone "tea species" mind you! But that apparently doesn't stop you from coming to an int'l forum and bullsh!tting towards whereever your 2-digit "imagination" leads you, does it?




Right, "local leaves" = Tea.

Indian reading comprehension!

If that were the case, why wouldn't you genius smash some black soy beans and wash them down calling it "coffee", huh?

And what stops you from claiming that India invented gunpowder, too, while you genius seem to have plenty of black-coloured local powder and wild fire to start with in your history to say the least?

As you mentioned, I hope you take wiki to be good enough source for scientific topics. I can list you a few books too if you wish.

Camellia sinensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Camellia sinensis is native to East, South and Southeast Asia, but it is today cultivated across the world in tropical and subtropical regions.

Now it's getting more and more retarded...

The topic at hand has always been about rice cultivating, correct? WTF I care about agriculture in general?

So what if Agriculture includes rice farming?! in your logic, when you go eating curry chicken, let's use your Indian imagination once and for all, it's your favorate, surely you don't mind of someone serving you beef noodle instead do you? But hey, food includes both curry chicken and beef noodle mind you!

Phylogeography of Asian wild rice, Oryza rufipogon, reveals multiple independent domestications of cultivated rice, Oryza sativa

Phylogeography of Asian wild rice, Oryza rufipogon, reveals multiple independent domestications of cultivated rice, Oryza sativa

Cultivated rice, Oryza sativa L., represents the world’s most important staple food crop, feeding more than half of the human population. Despite this essential role in world agriculture, the history of cultivated rice’s domestication from its wild ancestor, Oryza rufipogon, remains unclear. In this study, DNA sequence variation in three gene regions is examined in a phylogeographic approach to investigate the domestication of cultivated rice. Results indicate that India and Indochina may represent the ancestral center of diversity for O. rufipogon. Additionally, the data suggest that cultivated rice was domesticated at least twice from different O. rufipogon populations and that the products of these two independent domestication events are the two major rice varieties, Oryza sativa indica and Oryza sativa japonica. Based on this geographical analysis, O. sativa indica was domesticated within a region south of the Himalaya mountain range, likely eastern India, Myanmar, and Thailand, whereas O. sativa japonica was domesticated from wild rice in southern China.

Another point of you genius must be even though BMW come from Germany, like any autos coming from different part of the world, it doesn't mean that it was the Germans who taught Indians how to drive! A civilization which learnt how to drive an auto just need the auto, and it on its own can learn to drive it.

You must be an Indian intellectual elite as you are in Canada.

Now you wonder why Indians, including your best and the brightest,score the lowest in the worldwide PISA ranking?

If you had half the much celebrated Chinese IQ, you would understand difference between origin of plant, and its use in agriculture. Anyways, above is an extract from a scientific paper that says rice was domesticated in two separate regions China and SE Asia, meaning China had no contribution in Indian rice cultivation.

Now if you still can't understand at this point... go give yourself a BIG slam in the face. If that doesn't work either, well, May God save curry!

Looking at posters like you, its really a big question. Only explanation is that you are part of a control group, with an implicit purpose of forcing the brains cells of other nationalities to die!

#^$*($)(@^$@)wdewqdq32w4983, WTH you're trying to say with that?

It is a straight forward statement, but I doubt with your high 'Chinese' IQ you would be able to understand it.

wow, since when crappy wiki can be a source, most national sovereign and science topics aside?

Why don't you put a credible source, as you were the one who claimed fishnet originated from China.

say again?!

in your logic, you must wonder why the heck poison snake bite is a driver of people deaths.

let me break it for ya, genius, many people got poison snake bites and didn't die in the end is no proof that they are gods and immune to snake bites...perhaps is because they got injected with anti-poison drugs later in hospitals?

A very very stupid example. In any case, it was you who claimed India's gdp growth rate to be driven by high birth rate. An argument suiting your 'Chinese high IQ'.

wake me up when the europeans and americans show up the corresponding fake import documents? :yawn:

meanwhile, have you been to college?

It is your govt/institutes/companies etc faking the data (and your govt accepting it!). And you go on labelling others liars.
You really have no shame that you are still questioning others.

 

[East Asia United]

It would like nice if you could

1. make a corresponding real/absolute economy size comparison to get tangible, instead of growth rates and the grouth of the growth rates which may prove to be quite deep for Indian readers here to get hold of.

2. make all these on Excel graphs - the same reason as above.

You mean compare them to the international rankings on nominal GDP? The other countries?

 

[East Asia United]

First tea:


And here Ramayana doesn't means a holy book but a piece of literature, written over 2 millenia ago.

Second, agriculture started in SE Asia as early as 7000 BC, in parts of what now is Pakistan (Mehrgarh, a precurser to IVC).

Third, even fishing net was not invented in China.

India doesn't even have highest birth rate in the region, let alone the world.

I would prefer my 'low Indian IQ' over the 'high Chinese IQ' given that the extremely intelligent Chinese have to fudge their data, be in their posts or their gdp.

Not sure why this is relevant, but it's a historical fact that the use of Tea, as a beverage, originated in China.

Tea likely originated in China as a medicinal drink. It was first introduced to Portuguese priests and merchants in China during the 16th century. Drinking tea became popular in Britain during the 17th century. The British introduced it to India, in order to compete with the Chinese monopoly on the product.

 

[TheThreePashas]

China > India.

Yay Pakistan?

 

[Kloitra]

Not sure why this is relevant, but it's a historical fact that the use of Tea, as a beverage, originated in China.

We in Europe also did boil herbs and leaves for medical purposes thousands of years ago. This kind of boiling herbs and leaves is called infusion, e.g. mint infusion but also falsely called mint tea because there is not one tea leave in it. The word tea was not even known here until it was imported from China.

I am not sure why it is so believed. As I posted in my previous reply, tea plants existed in India, and were recorded to be used as a beverage. Not that Europeans found about it prior to their attempts at setting up tea plantations. I cannot provide links, as authentic sources are books, but if you search around, you would get some (albeit not so reliable) material on it.

I don't know what is so strange about it. Tea (Camellia sinensis) is native to China as well as India. It seems quite plausible that it would be used by local population in drinks. Just because Europeans learnt from Chinese doesn't means that other culture learnt from them. Drinking boiled herbs is a common practice among Indians.

Please refer to my previous post (24) (ignoring trolling/counter-trolling!). It is known that tea plants are also native to India.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

I am not sure why it is so believed. As I posted in my previous reply, tea plants existed in India, and were recorded to be used as a beverage. Not that Europeans found about it prior to their attempts at setting up tea plantations. I cannot provide links, as authentic sources are books, but if you search around, you would get some (albeit not so reliable) material on it.

I don't know what is so strange about it. Tea (Camellia sinensis) is native to China as well as India. It seems quite plausible that it would be used by local population in drinks. Just because Europeans learnt from Chinese doesn't means that other culture learnt from them. Drinking boiled herbs is a common practice among Indians.

Please refer to my previous post (24) (ignoring trolling/counter-trolling!). It is known that tea plants are also native to India.

So,what is the indegenous Indian word for tea? By that I don't mean chai or chay as they they all derivate from the Chinese pronounciation for tea (which is based from the minnan pronounciation of the same word in Chinese). Since I'm a big tea drinker, I know a few things about the history of tea.

Just because the plant is found in both areas does not mean that the everyone knows about the usage of the plant. and boiling herbs does not make it a tea as I explained it before, it's called infusion.

Does India have a sophisticated tea culture formulated in the Classic of the Tea? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chajing

 

[Kloitra]

So,what is the indegenous Indian word for tea? By that I don't mean chai or chay as they they all derivate from the Chinese pronounciation for tea (which is based from the minnan pronounciation of the same word in Chinese). Since I'm a big tea drinker, I know a few things about the history of tea.

Just because the plant is found in both areas does not mean that the everyone knows about the usage of the plant. and boiling herbs does not make it a tea as I explained it before, it's called infusion.

Does India have a sophisticated tea culture formulated in the Classic of the Tea? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chajing

No. India doesn't have that kind of culture as use of tea was limited to a very small region.

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A Dewaniah who assisted me to hunt out these tracts, and who was well acquainted with the leaf, as he had been in the habit of drinking tea during his residence with the Singphoes, informed me that he had seen a large tract of tea-plants on the Naga mountains, a day's journey west of Chiridoo.
I have no reason to doubt the veracity of this man ; he offered to point out the place to me, or any of my men, if they would accompany him ; but as the country belonged to Raja Poorunda Sing, I could not examine it.
I feel convinced the whole of the country is full of tea.
Again, in going farther to the south-west, just before I came to Gabrew hill, I found the small hills adjoining it, to the eastward, covered with tea-plants.
The flowers of the tea on these hills are of a pleasant delicate fragrance, unlike the smell of our other tea-plants ; but the loaves and fruit appear the same.
This would be a delightful place for the manufacture of tea, as the country is well populated, has abundance of grain, and labour is cheap.