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India already started negotiations fpr second order of Rafale

I think India is soon going to order 36 for the air Force and 56 for the Navy and here you go..... 72+56= 128 magical number, with every extra order the cost would decrease...
 
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I think India is soon going to order 36 for the air Force and 56 for the Navy and here you go..... 72+56= 128 magical number, with every extra order the cost would decrease...
Not really realistic, since India is not negotiating with France regarding more Rafales for the Air Force.
At least there has not been any signs of this.
 
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Not really realistic, since India is not negotiating with France regarding more Rafales for the Air Force.
At least there has not been any signs of this.
Something that can only be assumed and not so sure about, but 36 more for the air Force and 56 for the Navy seems realistic to me as no other plane at the moment deserves to be in our inventory other than rafale.
 
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Something that can only be assumed and not so sure about, but 36 more for the air Force and 56 for the Navy seems realistic to me as no other plane at the moment deserves to be in our inventory other than rafale.

The Indian Government apparently disagrees with You for the Air Force.
They might come to a point where they are prepared to discuss more Rafales,
but there are no imminent decisions in the works.
For the Navy, the Rafale is in the running, but it is quite open right now.
 
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The Indian Government apparently disagrees with You for the Air Force.
They might come to a point where they are prepared to discuss more Rafales,
but there are no imminent decisions in the works.
For the Navy, the Rafale is in the running, but it is quite open right now.
India now facing an economic recession,thanks to present govt's ridiculous ideas. So I feel there won't be an immediate procurement for any foreign aircrafts in near future.IAF may have to satisfy with 36 rafis,mki and LCA
 
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India now facing an economic recession,thanks to present govt's ridiculous ideas. So I feel there won't be an immediate procurement for any foreign aircrafts in near future.IAF may have to satisfy with 36 rafis,mki and LCA


Which RECESSION is THIS

India does not get effected by GLOBAL slow downs since its GROWTH is determined by 1.3 billion Indians and internal demand
 
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One quarter of slowdown and you call it a recession!! How exactly 5.7% growth qualifies as recession??
 
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Something that can only be assumed and not so sure about, but 36 more for the air Force and 56 for the Navy seems realistic to me as no other plane at the moment deserves to be in our inventory other than rafale.

Your Navy is not interested in single engine fighters. They have already rejected Naval LCAs and will reject SAAB Gripens too. They are also not happy with Russian MiG-29Ks which they currently operate. So it is also out of the race. French Rafales have fixed wings and they do not fit in the elevators. It too is out of the race.

The only real contender here is Boeing's Super Hornets.

https://www.stratpost.com/failure-to-launch/

The real ‘show stopper’ for the entire MRCBF requirement, however, is the configuration of IAC-1. Unlike Vikramaditya, and like most contemporary carriers, the aircraft lifts on IAC-1 are positioned on the starboard edge of the deck allowing longer aircraft to ‘hang out’ over the water with only their landing gear on the platform. But because the carrier was designed around an air wing of MiG-29Ks and Naval LCAs, the lifts were sized for wingspans no larger than eight metres. 10 x 14 metres, to be precise. While MiG-29Ks and N-LCAs can fit on these lifts with parts of their noses or empennages hanging over the edges, the Super Hornet and Rafale once again cannot.

Both Boeing and Dassault are apparently working on solutions to allow their aircraft to fit the lifts. Sources close to the programme said that Boeing is considering a system that would allow the Super Horner to sit canted on the lift, the tilt of the (folded) wings thereby resulting in a slightly shorter overall span measured parallel to the deck. With its fixed wings, the Rafale cannot offer such a solution, and Dassault is understood to be exploring a detachable wingtip, although this involves greater engineering and certification challenges.
 
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Your Navy is not interested in single engine fighters. They have already rejected Naval LCAs and will reject SAAB Gripens too. They are also not happy with Russian MiG-29Ks which they currently operate. So it is also out of the race. French Rafales have fixed wings and they do not fit in the elevators. It too is out of the race.

The only real contender here is Boeing's Super Hornets.

https://www.stratpost.com/failure-to-launch/

The real ‘show stopper’ for the entire MRCBF requirement, however, is the configuration of IAC-1. Unlike Vikramaditya, and like most contemporary carriers, the aircraft lifts on IAC-1 are positioned on the starboard edge of the deck allowing longer aircraft to ‘hang out’ over the water with only their landing gear on the platform. But because the carrier was designed around an air wing of MiG-29Ks and Naval LCAs, the lifts were sized for wingspans no larger than eight metres. 10 x 14 metres, to be precise. While MiG-29Ks and N-LCAs can fit on these lifts with parts of their noses or empennages hanging over the edges, the Super Hornet and Rafale once again cannot.

Both Boeing and Dassault are apparently working on solutions to allow their aircraft to fit the lifts. Sources close to the programme said that Boeing is considering a system that would allow the Super Horner to sit canted on the lift, the tilt of the (folded) wings thereby resulting in a slightly shorter overall span measured parallel to the deck. With its fixed wings, the Rafale cannot offer such a solution, and Dassault is understood to be exploring a detachable wingtip, although this involves greater engineering and certification challenges.
I never said that hornets were bad?? and rafales will need EMALS or catapult, Vikramaditya will never have rafales in its inventory, they will only be operated by future aircraft carriers being made for IN, maybe nuclear capable vishal or Vikraal(Fierce) my suggested name.....hornets are good but you are soon going to phase them out and french rafales are still going to continue their service....
 
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One quarter of slowdown and you call it a recession!! How exactly 5.7% growth qualifies as recession??
1) things will continue in the same state till the end of 2018.
2)who told that 5.7 is better growth rate. For example 5.7 is a big number when you simply compares with the 1.9 growth rate of EU or US,but nobody sees the fact that EU nominal gdp is 16.1 trillion dollar with a total population of 7.4 billion people. Where india has nominal gdp of 2.5 trillion dollars. Also don't Forget the fact that india had to feed 130 billion people also. Now you do the math, EU's economy is grows by 305.9 billion dollars, hypothetically each person in EU gains 41 dollars. Now let's see india,with 5.7 growth rate our economic growth is just 142.5 billion dollars,again hypothetically each persons gains only 1 dollar roughly compares to his previous years income.
My friend indian economic growth is pathetic.
Also this 5.7 growth rate figure is just 3 if you calculate gdp with the same parameters what we have taken in the year 2012.
 
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1) things will continue in the same state till the end of 2018.
2)who told that 5.7 is better growth rate. For example 5.7 is a big number when you simply compares with the 1.9 growth rate of EU or US,but nobody sees the fact that EU nominal gdp is 16.1 trillion dollar with a total population of 7.4 billion people. Where india has nominal gdp of 2.5 trillion dollars. Also don't Forget the fact that india had to feed 130 billion people also. Now you do the math, EU's economy is grows by 305.9 billion dollars, hypothetically each person in EU gains 41 dollars. Now let's see india,with 5.7 growth rate our economic growth is just 142.5 billion dollars,again hypothetically each persons gains only 1 dollar roughly compares to his previous years income.
My friend indian economic growth is pathetic.
Also this 5.7 growth rate figure is just 3 if you calculate gdp with the same parameters what we have taken in the year 2012.
There is a huge difference between "Recession" and "Better/Good growth rate. I did not claim it's a very good growth. But recession ?? Seriously?? How do you know it will continue the same way till 2018? This quarter itself the economic indicators are pretty decent. BTW, It will be absolutely stupid to compare India's number with EU or USA numbers.
 
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claiming india is in recession is a bit much. but a lot of growth in economy is from natural population increase. ie 12 million new workers every year. in comparison to other economies japan and germany loses thousands of workers a year. have to get 9% + if india ever wants to catch china.
 
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My point is clear,india doesn't have the financial capabilities to have another batch if rafale and single engine fighter with out affecting life of common people. Since we are in a democratic country govt can't neglect the Commons. So it's highly unlikely to have another single engine fighter other than LCA right now.
 
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I never said that hornets were bad?? and rafales will need EMALS or catapult, Vikramaditya will never have rafales in its inventory, they will only be operated by future aircraft carriers being made for IN, maybe nuclear capable vishal or Vikraal(Fierce) my suggested name.....hornets are good but you are soon going to phase them out and french rafales are still going to continue their service....

US Navy will continue to operate Super Hornets for the foreseeable future.

https://news.usni.org/2017/06/13/na...per-hornets-in-fydp-to-ease-fighter-shortfall

Navy Wants to Buy 80 More Super Hornets for $7.1B Over the Next Five Years
By: Megan Eckstein
June 13, 2017 7:56 PM


Airman Michael Nywair signals that an F/A-18E Super Hornet from the Argonauts of Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 147 is ready aboard the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz (CVN-68) on June 7, 2017. US Navy Photo

WASHINGTON, D.C. — The Navy intends to buy at least 80 more Boeing F/A-18E-F Super Hornets over the next five years to address its fighter shortfall, a change from its previous on-the-books plan to zero out the aircraft program beginning next year, service officials said in congressional testimony today.

The Navy’s written testimony to the Senate Armed Services seapower subcommittee notes the “Fiscal Year 2018 President’s Budget requests $1.25 billion in [the Navy’s aircraft procurement account] for 14 F/A-18E/F Super Hornet aircraft” and that, “with the support of Congress, we will also procure a minimum of 80 additional Super Hornets across the Future Years Defense Program (FYDP) and continue modernization plans to address continuing warfighter demand for advanced tactical aircraft. These additional procurements begin to mitigate the decline in [the Department of the Navy’s] strike fighter inventory and enable older aircraft to be pulled from service for mid-life upgrades and rework to extend their service life.”

Though the services typically include in their budget requests a five-year projection of spending plans, this year Pentagon officials told reporters during the budget rollout that any out-year numbers were speculative and in many cases simply maintained current program levels. They said an ongoing defense strategy review would inform future year needs and render any current projections moot – and the Navy, as a result, took the FYDP projections out of its budget highlights book but not from its more detailed justification documents.

“The (defense) secretary has not spent any time at all looking at anything beyond FY ’18,” John Roth, performing the duties of under secretary of defense, comptroller, told reporters during the budget rollout.
“You will not see a growth in force structure. You will not see a growth in the shipbuilding plan. You will not see a robust modernization program in the so-called current FYDP. And so therefore I caution anybody from trying to make any comparisons. And I’m actually of the school that it really doesn’t provide anything that’s particularly insightful.”

However, the Navy’s testimony today confirms the plans within its aviation procurement justification documents – that the service wants to buy 14 in 2018 for $1.25 billion , 23 in 2019 for $1.95 billion, 14 in 2020 for $1.35 billion and 14 in 2021 for $1.27 billion and 15 in 2022 for $1.28 billion.

In contrast, the FY 2017 budget request included 14 aircraft in 2018, as was requested last month, and then zero for the rest of the years of the FYDP.


Vice Adm. Thomas Rowden , commander, Naval Surface Forces Pacific, observes flight quarters on amphibious assault ship USS America (LHA-6) on Nov. 19, 2016. US Navy Photo

Many have speculated that future F/A-18 procurement would be a signal of the Navy moving away from the Lockheed Martin F-35C Lighting II carrier variant Joint Strike Fighter. President Donald Trump’s December 2016 tweet pitting the two airframes against one another only increased speculation – as did Defense Secretary James Mattis’ subsequent memo ordering a review of the two aircraft and the ability to add improvements to the Super Hornet to make it comparable to the Joint Strike Fighter.

At the SASC hearing today, Navy Director of Air Warfare (OPNAV N98) Rear Adm. DeWolfe Miller made clear that the Navy would not be choosing between the two.

“I get the question a lot, tell me about this F-35 versus F-18. And I say, it’s not a versus. The complementary nature of both these aircraft in the future for our Navy, our aircraft carrier Navy, is very exciting.”

At the hearing, Miller, Deputy Commandant of the Marine Corps for Aviation Lt. Gen. Jon Davis, and Naval Air Systems Command commander Vice Adm. Paul Grosklags agreed the F-35C and B development and fielding were going along well.

For the Marine Corps, which is already operating its short takeoff and landing variant overseas, the cost of operating the aircraft has proven to be less than predicted. Davis said the Marines still hired an outside firm to work with the service, airplane manufacturer Lockheed Martin and engine manufacturer Pratt & Whitney to identify even more cost savings in operating and maintaining the F-35Bs.

“Right now it’s costing me a heck of a lot of money to fly the legacy airplanes and get readiness out of them,” Davis said, but “the F-35 has got a high readiness rate for us right now; also too we’re working at driving cost per flight hour down and the [operations and sustainment] costs out.”

“We have a winner on our hands,” he said and added that the Marine Corps would share lessons learned with the Navy and Air Force to help reduce costs for operating the F-35A and C models as well.


An F-35C Lightning II carrier variant, assigned to the Salty Dogs of Air Test and Evaluation Squadron (VX) 23, performs a touch-and-go landing on the flight deck of the aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN-73). US Navy Photo

The F-35C is still awaiting the 3F software upgrade before beginning final test and evaluation and working towards reaching initial operational capability. Grosklags said at the hearing that “in terms of the (software) development process, we’re on very solid ground.”

“As we want to get to the final 3F software configuration before we introduce the aircraft in the Navy, we’re very closely watching the stability. And we have seen over the last year to 18 months the in-flight stability go from where they were having to system-reset or having to do something with the system in-flight from about every five hours, to the most recent software release is about every 40 hours, which is more than acceptable for us right now,” he said.

Miller said that early shipboard testing of the F-35C with previous software increments already looked promising. After about 150 carrier landings, the F-35C has seen a 100-percent rate of successfully landing on the carrier, with none of them catching the first of four arresting wires, which is typically the most dangerous of the four to catch.

“It was a dream to bring aboard,” Miller said. On the plane’s capability, he said “the fact that we’re getting super-sonic stealth, data fusion, the sensor-netting that this airplane is going to be able to provide, it adds capability, lethality and survivability, not just to the air wing but to the entire carrier strike group – the way we integrate it with our Aegis ships and our Baseline 9 configuration, the way we fight it alongside our .. E-2D [Advnaced Hawkeyes] and with the capability of a [EA-18G] Growler.”
 
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