India a civilisation with a future, Pakistan an abstract idea: Tarek Fatah

[VCheng]

The key difference between the "American Revolution" and the French Revolution (or the division of the subcontinent, I suppose) is that the American Revolution was conservative: it aimed to return government power to its previous responsibilities and accountability - locally elected assemblies - after George III attempted to usurp them. So everything was already "concrete". (Even the idea of formally abandoning royalty had been developed by the Puritans & Separtists over a century earlier when they built their communities in New England.)

Fair point, but much of that also applies to the creative rationale of many States.

 

[Sky lord]

The key difference between the "American Revolution" and the French Revolution (or the division of the subcontinent, I suppose) is that the American Revolution was conservative: it aimed to return government power to its previous responsibilities and accountability - locally elected assemblies - after George III attempted to usurp them. So everything was already "concrete". (Even the idea of formally abandoning royalty had been developed by the Puritans & Separtists over a century earlier when they built their communities in New England.)

Smart point.

The division of the sub continent was done in a tearing hurry and possibly not thought out well enough.

It seems to have worked out well enough....at least so far.....for India!..... ( With several provisos)

 

[Spring Onion]

From Partition to the interpretation of Islam, he has views that verge on the extreme, and even when speaking on serious topics he glides from the sombre to the ludicrous, blurting out profanities now and breaking into a childlike giggle the next moment. At times he contradicts himself.


--IANS


http://www.business-standard.com/ar...arek-fatah-ians-interview-117013100499_1.html

yeh kon say haraaami hain jo ab bhi iss gainday ko serious letay hain???

If someone hates Saudia and Pakistan, he should be a ex-Muslim or Murtad. He might have got influenced by Ali Sina of FaithFreedom International (Ali Sina's Challenge - Something that is so shocking GIYF), Ibn Warraq and others who've left the Islamic belief to be apostates. The Once Mu'amin who've reversed their Kalima to be the enemy of Islam (as seen by hardliner Muslims) and seen by rest of the world as secular and liberal, brave humans.

Yo hate us that is fine we have no issues. But spewing BS all the times is a mental issue and you should consult a good doctor. That is all we are saying

 

[Sky lord]

If someone hates Saudia and Pakistan, he should be a ex-Muslim or Murtad. He might have got influenced by Ali Sina of FaithFreedom International (Ali Sina's Challenge - Something that is so shocking GIYF), Ibn Warraq and others who've left the Islamic belief to be apostates. The Once Mu'amin who've reversed their Kalima to be the enemy of Islam (as seen by hardliner Muslims) and seen by rest of the world as secular and liberal, brave humans.

Take the advice on you avatar...takeiteasy, please....take it easy....not everything is about religion.

You can be critical of Saudi or Pakistan and be a practicing Muslim....indeed many are.

Saudi and Pak are countries not religions.

 

[Srinivas]

the same guys who think India is not a country and it has no legitimacy to exists are making funny comments here in response to Tarek Fatah !

 

[Solomon2]

Fair point, but much of that also applies to the creative rationale of many States.

The point is that after the Revolutionary War the U.S. was well-placed for stability, having already had a firm idea of itself. Pakistan did not have nearly such a firm idea of itself; its political leaders didn't trust the populace to a nationwide election on Pakistan until 1970 (when the majority REJECTED it).

Pakistan's originally somewhat-promising character was marred by the uncompromising personalities of its selfish politicians, the treacheries of centralizing government and the Objectives Resolution, and the colonialist-authoritarian attitude that the country and its people existed to serve the government and leaders, rather than the other way 'round. What remains, other than rule-by-force, is religion, and that's pulling the country apart rather than pulling it together.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The key difference between the "American Revolution" and the French Revolution (or the division of the subcontinent, I suppose) is that the American Revolution was conservative: it aimed to return government power to its previous responsibilities and accountability - locally elected assemblies - after George III attempted to usurp them. So everything was already "concrete". (Even the idea of formally abandoning royalty had been developed by the Puritans & Separtists over a century earlier when they built their communities in New England.)

I am sorry. American Revolution was 'artficial'. The only "concrete" thing about it was one set of Englishmen (couple of generation migrants from England) separating from their bethren English in England. That is New York separating from York. I kknow I haved reduced this to make a point but stands. What the hell was differant from English settler in American continent from his left behind family in England? Nothing.

Whereas Pakistan - Punjabi, Pashtuns, Balochis and Sindhi are entirely separate ethnic groups from 95% of India. Indeed when partition happened only 97 years before that they had been forcefully integrated into India. in 1847 most of Pakistan was the Sikh Empire and not even part of British India. Further our ancestors were forced by Britain to integrate with British India using guns on the battlefield to do it. Whereas the so called partition was elective - yet people call that artificial.

Just so as to make it clear British India was not India. It was Burma, Bangladesh, Indian Republic, Pakistan, parts of modern day Yeman.

*And after decades I still have not figured out the Rubiks Cube - What is the differance between Canada and USA. Why is the border a straight line? Why the partition of North America?

 

[VCheng]

uncompromising personalities of its selfish politicians, the treacheries of centralizing government and the colonialist-authoritarian attitude

Again, check, check, and check for USA too. Seriously, no nation on Earth is more or less noble than any other as far as the rationale for its existence goes. You may recall that I regard Israel and Pakistan as being on par in terms of their legitimacy too.

 

[baajey]

We kicked him out like a dog that he is. More important question is why India is acting like trashcan for every trash of Pakistan and BD.

Recently we are getting used to the overdose of hyper nationalism (which includes bashing Pakistan). Hence, you can see the relevance of this guy.
Initially, I liked him too but soon realised what a joke he is. Today's india is ripe for such ppl.

 

[Areesh]

Recently we are getting used to the overdose of hyper nationalism (which includes bashing Pakistan). Hence, you can see the relevance of this guy.
Initially, I liked him too but soon realised what a joke he is. Today's india is ripe for such ppl.

Just found this on twitter:

"When you're having a bad day, have screwed up everything and life appears meaningless, be thankful that at least you're not tarek fatah"

 

[Solomon2]

What the hell was differant from English settler in American continent from his left behind family in England?

If you examine eighteenth-century literature you'll find that the "American" identity was pretty firmly established as separate from the English by the 1730s: it was accepted that the two reacted to and beheld authority differently. Briefly (and necessarily incompletely), the primary difference was that of the original English Separatists/Puritans from mainstream Anglicanism: their religious sect did not require a king, they wanted to "separate themselves from the corruptions of the world" - seeking a land where they could worship as they wished: link. Many others settled the colonies north of the Potomac for much the same reasons. South of the Potomac the connections with England were stronger, though Virginia settlers appreciated the ease with which they could escape tax collectors and Georgia was set up as a penal colony.

 

[Mugwop]

If he do not wish to call himself Pakistani or ashamed to call himself one, then he should stop talking bout his old country. Simple as that.

How will he make money then?

This guy is a joke even here in Canada. The only people who talk to him are the Alt right fascist and their Indian brethren.

He talks too much, why didn't anyone try to assault him yet?