India - 1.4 billion people

[N.Siddiqui]

How dare you destroy his narrative with facts and evidence.

LARGEST IRRIGATION SYSTEM OF THE WORLD The world's largest irrigation network is present in Pakistan. It serves 14.4 million hectares of cultivated land. The irrigation system is fed by water from the Indus River.

http://inspirich.com/indus-basin-largest-irrigation-system/

 

[LASER1]

All it says is india has 64 million HA in 2001. I take it to mean arable land.

Yeah, that's 20% of India's total land area. 64million hectares. And has since shown increasing trend.

LARGEST IRRIGATION SYSTEM OF THE WORLD The world's largest irrigation network is present in Pakistan. It serves 14.4 million hectares of cultivated land. The irrigation system is fed by water from the Indus River.

http://inspirich.com/indus-basin-largest-irrigation-system/

What is the relevance of it w.r.t to India?

 

[N.Siddiqui]

These are just a few examples. So as you can see, India is one of the most agriculturally productive countries in the world.



This is partly because India has some of the world's most fertile land in the Gangetic Plains, as well as a humid subtropical climate with plenty of rain.

@LASER

India arable/fertile land is bigger in absolute term compared to Pakistan, it ought to be as India population is 1.35 billion compared to 207 million for Pakistan, 6.5 times higher than Pakistan, but its cultivable land per capita is lower than Pakistan, also about 70% of Pakistan agriculture land is irrigated by the largest irrigation system in the world.

In India land irrigated by irrigation system is about 35%, rest of them depends on monsoons and rains, here Pakistan is ahead of India when it comes to irrigation system.



India: 0.12 Hectares per person

Pakistan: 0.16 Hectares per person.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/AG.lnd.Arbl.HA.pc

Yeah, that's 20% of India's total land area. 64million hectares. And has since shown increasing trend.

Yes forest cover in India is impressive at 21-24% of the land mass. Specially in north eastern states, and south India as well, others too.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Yeah, that's 20% of India's total land area. 64million hectares. And has since shown increasing trend.


What is the relevance of it w.r.t to India?

Mexico has 55 million HA and it's population is more than 10 times less than that of your's. Therefore it must be one of the most Arable nations on earth. So india has 320 million HA for 1.2 billion?. That's dense.

 

[Novice09]

LARGEST IRRIGATION SYSTEM OF THE WORLD The world's largest irrigation network is present in Pakistan. It serves 14.4 million hectares of cultivated land. The irrigation system is fed by water from the Indus River.

http://inspirich.com/indus-basin-largest-irrigation-system/

Well you are correct and as per my knowledge there was no major improvement in India till 1996... now things are different... although the data is not too old but irrigation system has improved in India...

But problem with India is mismanagement, storage and wastage of crops... cherry on the cake is huge population...

 

[LASER1]

Mexico has 55 million HA and it's population is more than 10 times less than that of your's. Therefore it must be one of the most Arable nations on earth. So india has 320 million HA for 1.2 billion?. That's dense.

Lol! Does it matter Mexico has this and that? Brazil has even more. Stay in the continent. Have you ever thought how much Pakistan has? You guys were saying India got a poor deal out of partition. Now don't backtrack.

In India land irrigated by irrigation system is about 35%, rest of them depends on monsoons and rains, here Pakistan is ahead of India when it comes to irrigation system.

As if these are not irreplaceable. Pakistan requires an irrigation system because of the scarcity of water. Given you are one of the most water-stressed countries in the world. Don't hang on to the glacier, it's a long shot. Doesn't mean India is doing a good job though. Again, my reply is from the sole point made that, who got a better deal in the partition. I'd say India because of all those points I already made, plus the opportunity of being strategically placed on one of the busiest trade routes in the world.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

As if these are not irreplaceable. Pakistan requires an irrigation system because of the scarcity of water. Given you are one of the most water-stressed countries in the world. Don't hang on to the glacier, it's a long shot. Doesn't mean India is doing a good job though. Again, my reply is from the sole point made that, who got a better deal in the partition. I'd say India because of all those points I already made, plus the opportunity of being strategically placed on one of the busiest trade routes in the world.

Myth that India is not water stressed...

Water stressed India may not be able to meet future demand

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...o-meet-future-demand/articleshow/64422683.cms



Pakistan has the irrigation system as there is water/dams/canals/rivers available. Like Indus passes through the length of Pakistan and the tributaries/canals coming out of it feed the largest irrigation system in the world.

India has the rivers, but most of the rivers coming from Tibet, Indian Kashmir, Uttarakhand, Himachal P. are not cutting the length and breadth of India mostly, and India didn't constructed a network of canals as Pakistan did, the reason.

Also the reason India depends on rain and monsoons...and if the region didn't get the right amount of rains the results is often catastrophic, add to this the farmer loans, which cannot be paid if there is no rain...results in suicides.



Over 12,000 farmer suicides per year in India, Centre tells Supreme C ..

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-tells-supreme-court/articleshow/58486441.cms

 

[LASER1]

Myth that India is not water stressed...

It is but it's not a dire situation like in Pakistan.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

It is but it's not a dire situation like in Pakistan.

No farmers are committing suicides in Pakistan, like they do in India, 12000 per year is a huge huge figure. Water is better managed here in Pakistan with a man made irrigation system, controlled through barrages and culverts. India depends on rain....


The Global Water Crisis: Why Are India’s Taps Running Dry?
http://time.com/5302661/water-crisis-drinking-india-drought-dry/

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

Not exactly, check the link below, in absolute terms yes, but when looked into w.r.t population of both countries Pakistan arable/fertile land is bigger, higher.



India: 0.12 Hectares per person


Pakistan: 0.16 Hectares per person

Not at all,
in terms of physiological density Pakistan has 804 persons per sqkm and India 753 per sqkm

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Not at all,
in terms of physiological density Pakistan has 804 persons per sqkm and India 753 per sqkm

Any link to it, and check the link posted earlier, a more believable world bank figure than the Wikipedia or other. BTW Wikipedia figure for landmass for Pakistan is not correct as that excludes the GB and Kashmir region of Pakistan, and they includes that in India, so that is factually incorrect.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/AG.lnd.Arbl.HA.pc


Also Check this, India irrigated area is roughly 3.25 times the Pakistan size, with a population that is 6.5 times higher.

 

[Novice09]

Myth that India is not water stressed...

Water stressed India may not be able to meet future demand

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...o-meet-future-demand/articleshow/64422683.cms



Pakistan has the irrigation system as there is water/dams/canals/rivers available. Like Indus passes through the length of Pakistan and the tributaries/canals coming out of it feed the largest irrigation system in the world.

India has the rivers, but most of the rivers coming from Tibet, Indian Kashmir, Uttarakhand, Himachal P. are not cutting the length and breadth of India mostly, and India didn't constructed a network of canals as Pakistan did, the reason.

Also the reason India depends on rain and monsoons...and if the region didn't get the right amount of rains the results is often catastrophic, add to this the farmer loans, which cannot be paid if there is no rain...results in suicides.



Over 12,000 farmer suicides per year in India, Centre tells Supreme C ..

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-tells-supreme-court/articleshow/58486441.cms

I think that you have missed the highlighted part in @LASER post... In India, we are aware of water problem... and it is a big issue getting worse by each passing day...

As far as farmers' suicide is concerned, it is mostly because of non-repayment of loans... Please note that following examples are NOT TO JUSTIFY but to tell how some deaths due to natural reasons/other reasons are included in this list...

1. A farmer from our village, mortgaged his 3 hectare land and a bank loan of Rupees 20,00,000 (approx. - listed as payable in Bank's notice) was taken by him... he spent that money by building a fancy home, bought a Mahindra Scorpio SUV and a lavish marriage ceremony of his son... he told people that his son is running a successful business in City, while their was none... he took around Rs. 15,00,000 from villagers and relatives @2.5/3% per month... when things were out of control and a notice was sent by bank to confiscate the land... he killed himself by hanging... his name was listed in this list and family received compensation...
We have 15/20 such examples in our block where people have sold their land or have committed suicide due to spending loan amount on lavish things...
2. In 2015, bank of a canal was breached due to villagers' error and water destroyed around 20/30 hectare of crop... one farmer, whose crops were slightly affected BUT NOT DESTROYED, and he was happy that his paddy crop is having sufficient water, suffered a heart attack while sleeping... by paying 10,000, his family got his name listed and took compensation...

Again being a son of a person whose hobby is farming... I can tell you that the biggest problem of Indian farmers is that they are not educated and those who are educated don't want to opt for farming business... "Adhatis" aka "Brokers' are making money... Today, while farmer is selling his tomato for Rs. 5/7 per KG... you wont find it for less than Rs. 30 on streets...

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...produce-as-tomato-prices-take-plunge-5334609/

As if these are not irreplaceable. Pakistan requires an irrigation system because of the scarcity of water. Given you are one of the most water-stressed countries in the world. Don't hang on to the glacier, it's a long shot. Doesn't mean India is doing a good job though. Again, my reply is from the sole point made that, who got a better deal in the partition. I'd say India because of all those points I already made, plus the opportunity of being strategically placed on one of the busiest trade routes in the world.

Any link to it, and check the link posted earlier, a more believable world bank figure than the Wikipedia or other. BTW Wikipedia figure for landmass for Pakistan is not correct as that excludes the GB and Kashmir region of Pakistan, and they includes that in India, so that is factually incorrect.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/AG.lnd.Arbl.HA.pc


Also Check this, India irrigated area is roughly 3.25 times the Pakistan size, with a population that is 6.5 times higher.

You missing one point... Land suitable for cultivation...

India is taking big strides in increasing cultivation land and adopting for modern irrigation systems... even in my village around 30% people have shifted from flood irrigation to drip and sprinkler system...

 

[LASER1]

No farmers are committing suicides in Pakistan, like they do in India, 12000 per year is a huge huge figure. Water is better managed here in Pakistan with a man made irrigation system, controlled through barrages and culverts. India depends on rain....


The Global Water Crisis: Why Are India’s Taps Running Dry?
http://time.com/5302661/water-crisis-drinking-india-drought-dry/

You don't have a list doesn't mean there are no farmer suicides in Pakistan.
I can bring more links but the point remains, Pakistan is more water stressed than India.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

eah... while we kept our focus on economic growth

Did you? Was that in 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s or just yesterday?

I can see you kept your focus on economic growth. After nearly six decades in the lead India took over Pakistan only in about 2008. So one full decade you have been ahead and you have declared victory and race over? The race continues. Unless you have memory of a gold fish you know things can change. India was the butt of jokes for decades and was moving forward so slowly that the term "Hindoo growth" was used to describle a slow ratarded development.

But we certainly will never beat you on the population front. India will be the world's biggest baby making machine and ovetake China soon. You will earn the title "supapowa India". 1,400,000,000 Gangoo's. That is lot of Gangoo's Pakistan has to face.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Lol! Does it matter Mexico has this and that? Brazil has even more. Stay in the continent. Have you ever thought how much Pakistan has? You guys were saying India got a poor deal out of partition. Now don't backtrack.


As if these are not irreplaceable. Pakistan requires an irrigation system because of the scarcity of water. Given you are one of the most water-stressed countries in the world. Don't hang on to the glacier, it's a long shot. Doesn't mean India is doing a good job though. Again, my reply is from the sole point made that, who got a better deal in the partition. I'd say India because of all those points I already made, plus the opportunity of being strategically placed on one of the busiest trade routes in the world.

Pakistan has enough. Even more so in terms of potential. Which is why the global superpower, China is investing in nearly $70 billion in Pakistan with many more billions earmaked for further investment in the coming years and decades. The strategic position of Pakistan is testament to this.