India - 1.4 billion people

[Indus Pakistan]

In less then 4 years India will overtake China as the most populous country and cross the 1.4 billion mark. Will the shear numbers in Gangadesh pose a threat to Pakistan? Discuss.


Population forecastsThe world’s biggest country
Print edition | Asia
Aug 13th 2015

That India will overtake China as the world’s most populous country is not in question. But the date has just moved closer. The UN now reckons India will surpass China in 2022 rather than in 2028, as it thought two years ago. The new estimates put China’s fertility rate a bit lower, at 1.6 children per woman. India’s higher fertility rate (2.5 children per woman) and younger population mean it will swell faster, reaching 1.4 billion in 2022, when China’s population will peak. China’s working-age population is already shrinking as the country greys. India will eventually follow. By 2050 about 500m Chinese will be over 60, and 330m Indians.


https://www.economist.com/asia/2015/08/13/the-worlds-biggest-country

 

[AUz]

India's fertility rate is not 2.5....it's almost 2.1 now.

@Nilgiri right?

 

[Dalai Lama]

Doesn't make a huge amount of difference respective to the scale of the populations. 1.3bn - 200mn as it currently is vs 1.4bn - 230mn isn't that great of a difference. Anyway, Pakistan's birth rate is significantly higher.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Pakistan's birth rate is significantly higher.

Yes but we are like 1,200,000,000 people behind you. That is lot of catching up to do. At present we are talking about nearly one Pakistani for 7 Indians. Or nearly 1:7 ratio.

 

[Dalai Lama]

Yes but we are like 1,200,000,000 people behind you. That is lot of catching up to do. At present we are talking about nearly one Pakistani for 7 Indians. Or nearly 1:7 ratio.

Don't worry, 1 Pakistani holds the fighting prowess of 10 Indians.

And the proportional difference will be lesser due to Pak's higher birth rate. Do you even numbers?

 

[Nilu Pule]

Should have sent the Muslims to Pakistan back in '47. Now repent

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Don't worry, 1 Pakistani holds the fighting prowess of 10 Indians.

Must be because after 70 years Pakistan controlled Kashmir still has not been taken by India. Now india has the numbers advantage. So what gives? I guess Gangadesh does not have testicular strength. Or what they say "has the numbers but lacks the balls".

Instead it appears that the dwarf Pakistan is the one eying Indian occupied Kashmir. Bizzare !

 

[KapitaanAli]

Should have sent the Muslims to Pakistan back in '47. Now repent

 

[faithfulguy]

In less then 4 years India will overtake China as the most populous country and cross the 1.4 billion mark. Will the shear numbers in Gangadesh pose a threat to Pakistan? Discuss.


Population forecastsThe world’s biggest country
Print edition | Asia
Aug 13th 2015

That India will overtake China as the world’s most populous country is not in question. But the date has just moved closer. The UN now reckons India will surpass China in 2022 rather than in 2028, as it thought two years ago. The new estimates put China’s fertility rate a bit lower, at 1.6 children per woman. India’s higher fertility rate (2.5 children per woman) and younger population mean it will swell faster, reaching 1.4 billion in 2022, when China’s population will peak. China’s working-age population is already shrinking as the country greys. India will eventually follow. By 2050 about 500m Chinese will be over 60, and 330m Indians.


https://www.economist.com/asia/2015/08/13/the-worlds-biggest-country

Indi@ is beating China in population size. Congrats to India.

 

[Cybernetics]

Interesting topic @Indus Pakistan.

Sheer numbers alone from India wouldn't decide the future, the qualitative factors of that population would.

From a geographic perspective, the "Hindu Belt" centered around the lowlands of the Ganges basin occupies what is the plains of power competition for South Asia. If destabilized or probed through internal or external forces, it has a high probability of resulting in a major conflict (internal or externally focused).

A region with adjacent active political actors are the focal point of major historical conflicts with consistency. Plains exacerbate this dynamic through the ease of logistics, enabling mass mobilization. In the last few hundred years, the European plain of Northern Europe saw the bulk of European wars and war deaths, culminating in 2 world wars.

The Hindu Belt is a clear political unit and the political heart of India. It sways the outcome of national elections due to its sheer population and cohesiveness in voting.

Highest birth rate regions in India also tends to be the most backward regions economically and in terms of literacy, corresponding roughly with the Hindu Belt region. Political power is set to increase in proportion to its demographic ascent. Over time one might find Indian politics more consolidated than previously.

The Hindu Belt will be the main political driving force within India for the foreseeable future. If this region is stable and adopts policies conducive to stability, India would be stable. If this region becomes radical, it would ripple around the nation but this could be at the time seen as a remedy against instability. The critical mass of the region and the fragmented nature of peripheral regions renders the peripheral as political bystanders most of the time unless there is an exceptional event.

Various factors contribute to the instability of this region. The main driving forces are lack of education, high birth rate, poor economic opportunities, religious dogma and maybe even environmental factors. Ideological consolidation around a more hard line narrative could result due to desire for security and self actualization. If the Hindu Belt becomes more hard line ideologically, foreign policy of India would be greatly affected, though with delay as internal consolidation would be a priority.

Watch for the extreme and influential narratives within the Hindu Belt and figure out where Pakistan fits into this narrative. Even extreme narratives under suitable circumstances can become mainstream. Will India's demographic ascent pose a threat to Pakistan? I think yes, but threats are a normal state of existence. How Pakistan deals with this is more important.

 

[Śakra]

Interesting topic @Indus Pakistan.

Sheer numbers alone from India wouldn't decide the future, the qualitative factors of that population would.

From a geographic perspective, the "Hindu Belt" centered around the lowlands of the Ganges basin occupies what is the plains of power competition for South Asia. If destabilized or probed through internal or external forces, it has a high probability of resulting in a major conflict (internal or externally focused).

A region with adjacent active political actors are the focal point of major historical conflicts with consistency. Plains exacerbate this dynamic through the ease of logistics, enabling mass mobilization. In the last few hundred years, the European plain of Northern Europe saw the bulk of European wars and war deaths, culminating in 2 world wars.

The Hindu Belt is a clear political unit and the political heart of India. It sways the outcome of national elections due to its sheer population and cohesiveness in voting.
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Highest birth rate regions in India also tends to be the most backward regions economically and in terms of literacy, corresponding roughly with the Hindu Belt region. Political power is set to increase in proportion to its demographic ascent. Over time one might find Indian politics more consolidated than previously.
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The Hindu Belt will be the main political driving force within India for the foreseeable future. If this region is stable and adopts policies conducive to stability, India would be stable. If this region becomes radical, it would ripple around the nation but this could be at the time seen as a remedy against instability. The critical mass of the region and the fragmented nature of peripheral regions renders the peripheral as political bystanders most of the time unless there is an exceptional event.

Various factors contribute to the instability of this region. The main driving forces are lack of education, high birth rate, poor economic opportunities, religious dogma and maybe even environmental factors. Ideological consolidation around a more hard line narrative could result due to desire for security and self actualization. If the Hindu Belt becomes more hard line ideologically, foreign policy of India would be greatly affected, though with delay as internal consolidation would be a priority.

Watch for the extreme and influential narratives within the Hindu Belt and figure out where Pakistan fits into this narrative. Even extreme narratives under suitable circumstances can become mainstream. Will India's demographic ascent pose a threat to Pakistan? I think yes, but threats are a normal state of existence. How Pakistan deals with this is more important.

Hindu belt is actually called Hindi belt.

 

[Hamza913]

Don't worry, 1 Pakistani holds the fighting prowess of 10 Indians.

The phrase is that 1 Muslim has the fighting prowess of 10 Hindus.

As Kumail Nanjiani said:

Should have sent the Muslims to Pakistan back in '47. Now repent

We asked them to come along, it's not our fault that most of them thought it would be easier to rip you apart from the inside.

 

[GHALIB]

In less then 4 years India will overtake China as the most populous country and cross the 1.4 billion mark. Will the shear numbers in Gangadesh pose a threat to Pakistan? Discuss.


Population forecastsThe world’s biggest country
Print edition | Asia
Aug 13th 2015

That India will overtake China as the world’s most populous country is not in question. But the date has just moved closer. The UN now reckons India will surpass China in 2022 rather than in 2028, as it thought two years ago. The new estimates put China’s fertility rate a bit lower, at 1.6 children per woman. India’s higher fertility rate (2.5 children per woman) and younger population mean it will swell faster, reaching 1.4 billion in 2022, when China’s population will peak. China’s working-age population is already shrinking as the country greys. India will eventually follow. By 2050 about 500m Chinese will be over 60, and 330m Indians.


https://www.economist.com/asia/2015/08/13/the-worlds-biggest-country

population is biggest problem india is facing .

Should have sent the Muslims to Pakistan back in '47. Now repent

better you go to pakistan and help them with your knowledge .

 

[Imran Khan]

population is biggest problem india is facing .



better you go to pakistan and help them with your knowledge .

oyee bhai hum mazeed koi kuta bila nhi leen gay.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Must be because after 70 years Pakistan controlled Kashmir still has not been taken by India. Now india has the numbers advantage. So what gives? I guess Gangadesh does not have testicular strength. Or what they say "has the numbers but lacks the balls".

Instead it appears that the dwarf Pakistan is the one eying Indian occupied Kashmir. Bizzare !

Simple, because India has not made a serious effort. And why would it? The status quo already benefits India, so there is little benefit of taking Azad Kashmir for India compared to the costs. You could make the same argument about China and Arunachal Pradesh- would you call China a coward? I wouldn't, they just have different priorities. You have to understand Kashmir is a lot more important to Pakistan than to India. After all, Kashmir is the K in Pakistan, and Pakistan capturing JaK would complete the two nation theory. Whereas for India, occupying Kashmir is more of an ego thing.
Also, it isn't the Cold War anymore. Countries just do not invade countries anymore. I am pretty sure you know how hard Russia was hit after occupying Crimea. Their economy was almost completely destroyed. Do you think India would want to lose its 2.5 trillion+ economy and 8% + growth rate over an unimportant piece of land that would just force it to deal with more illiterate stone-throwers? Not to mention, India is viewed as a "peaceful country," and a free democracy. The "Nice Guy," if you want to put it that way. That is the reason why since the Cold War, India has been looked upon favorably by the west, and why the western countries have mostly overlooked so-called "atrocities" in Kashmir, Nagaland, Manipur, etc. If India was to initiate an open act of war against Pakistan, it would lose those special privilidges. India sells itself as a peaceful country, which means it cannot act like China and Russia.

BTW, you could say the same for Pakistan. They have tried four times, but have completely failed to take an inch of Kashmir. Instead, they have only lost thousands of lives and allowed India to portray it as a rogue aggressor state, harming its case that India is committing human rights violations against Kashmiris. Is your foreign policy really working?
Anyway it was nice to see you again IP. It looks like I have missed a lot in the week I was banned. I should be posting some more history threads soon, so look out for those.