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In Pakistan, pro-American sentiment is rare

This may be hard for some members to swallow...but for the averge American Pakistan matters as much as Albania...none. It makes the news because of the war on terror...but most class it with the Congo and other un-important third-world hell-holes.

Most Americans are ignorant. They cant even point out their NATO allies on the world map, just forget about Pakistan and Albania. Most Americans dont know anything about Pakistan. Before U.S. brought this war OF terror in Pakistan, most Americans didnt even know if Pakistan was a country.

And its the U.S. government that is interested in Pakistan. Its the U.S. government that wants to build their largest embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan. Ask your government why they are so interested in Pakistan when you believe its an unimportant 3rd world hell-hole.
 
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America is useless now for Pakistan, they got new Mentor (China) and moreover America is not funding ISI operative how it was doing in Past...


Better Indo-US relation is also a factor, During Kargil war USA favor India (ordered Nawaz to stop war), while in 1971 war they sent there 7th fleet to annihilate India.. USA is no more Friend of Pakistan that's why Pakistani ppl hate USA.....


Cant belive you actually admit you needed america to ask shariff to stop kargill. lol but truth sometimes comes out. So much for regional power india
 
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America is useless now for Pakistan, they got new Mentor (China) and moreover America is not funding ISI operative how it was doing in Past...


Better Indo-US relation is also a factor, During Kargil war USA favor India (ordered Nawaz to stop war), while in 1971 war they sent there 7th fleet to annihilate India.. USA is no more Friend of Pakistan that's why Pakistani ppl hate USA.....



You want americans as freinds you are welcome. Good riddance i say.
 
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Listen just frag off stop killing innocent children and women. Your bankrupt empire will be remembered for..... macdonalds and maddona lol

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Most Americans are ignorant. They cant even point out their NATO allies on the world map, just forget about Pakistan and Albania. Most Americans dont know anything about Pakistan. Before U.S. brought this war OF terror in Pakistan, most Americans didnt even know if Pakistan was a country.

And its the U.S. government that is interested in Pakistan. Its the U.S. government that wants to build their largest embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan. Ask your government why they are so interested in Pakistan when you believe its an unimportant 3rd world hell-hole.

Omar bhai I love your post its so true
 
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America is useless now for Pakistan, they got new Mentor (China) and moreover America is not funding ISI operative how it was doing in Past...


Better Indo-US relation is also a factor, During Kargil war USA favor India (ordered Nawaz to stop war), while in 1971 war they sent there 7th fleet to annihilate India.. USA is no more Friend of Pakistan that's why Pakistani ppl hate USA.....



Being friends with the U.S. government is very dangerous. The U.S. government will look after its interests and only its interests. The concept of mutual interests is not familiar among the U.S. government. Pakistan learned this the hard way. I blame the Pakistani politicians/army who did all the dirty work for U.S. during the Cold War and were back-stabbed by the U.S. after U.S. interests were served.
 
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Listen just frag off stop killing innocent children and women. Your bankrupt empire will be remembered for..... macdonalds and maddona lol

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Omar bhai I love your post its so true

Thanks bhai but Madonna left to U.K. even she is fed up with U.S. foreign policy.
 
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This may be hard for some members to swallow...but for the averge American Pakistan matters as much as Albania...none. It makes the news because of the war on terror...but most class it with the Congo and other un-important third-world hell-holes.
How often does the Pakistani media run articles on 'Average American Opinion about Pakistan'? How often do Pakistani institutions sponsor polls about 'Average American Opinion about Pakistan'?

For a nation that 'cares little about Pakistan', you lot sure are obsessed with us.

Pakistanis would probably actually appreciate if 'Pakistan mattered little to the US', since then Pakistan might actually be rid of the US Establishment's duplicitous games and treachery.

On the subject of Kayani's reaction to the US raid in Abbottabad - the US let down Pakistan once again - a lot of commentators have been arguing that point for years.

I don't think any rational person could argue that the 'US is a friend of Pakistan' after the Raymond Davis, Abbottabad raid, repeated cross border terrorism from Afghanistan, and the sheltering of terrorist leader Brahamdegh Bugti in Kabul, and then facilitating his travel to Switzerland for Asylum.
 
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I don't think any rational person could argue that the 'US is a friend of Pakistan' after the Raymond Davis, Abbottabad raid, repeated cross border terrorism from Afghanistan, and the sheltering of terrorist leader Brahamdegh Bugti in Kabul, and then facilitating his travel to Switzerland for Asylum.
At least 3 out of 4 of these have one factor in common: the limited ability of Pakistanis to examine and find fault with themselves.

1) Davis had diplomatic immunity, a fact the F.O. revealed just before his expulsion. The GoP just didn't want to admit it.
2) The U.S. did OBL itself as Pakistan had demonstrated before and continues to demonstrate after its inability to pursue in good faith its sovereign obligation under international law (UNSC 1373) to root out Al Qaeda: every time the U.S. shared with Paksitan the location of an important terrorist or terror operation, the target seems to have been tipped off, often with shocking speed.
3) Cross-border terror could have been reduced long ago had Pakistan and the U.S. agreed upon a shared goal of rooting out all terrorists, allowing a unified Pakistan-U.S. command with joint patrols. Although clearly within reach, Pakistan instead refuses to stop hosting terrorist groups. (The joint Pak-U.S. patrols announced last month have yet to demonstrate any function.)

As for Bugti - why is he considered a terrorist? I confess ignorance here, but ignorance keeping in mind the claim of Bugti's aide: "It has become a tradition in Pakistan to smear anyone as a tool in foreign hands who speaks for his rights or independence of his motherland. " link After all, when the P.A. recognizes a terrorist it usually responds by banning the entire group, but when they recognize someone as a political threat they primarily try to go after the individual, not his party.
 
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i don't think many of us really care what Pakistan thinks about us.

you guys are lucky we didnt attack you back in 2001.

lol you guys are lucky you didnt attack us as we are not iraq of somalia.i think u forget vietnam iraq and somalia.USSR Tried it and found itself left only as russian federation the same would be your fate

the same you will say US helped us with USSR defeat but today china is ready to help us defeat you as we are doing in afghanistan to u what we did to USSR as they were 2wice bigger in military might in that time as you are today
 
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lol, They don't respect any interest of pakistan at all and expect pakistan to be "pro-american". Americans are getting madder day by day. My speculation was right!
 
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At least 3 out of 4 of these have one factor in common: the limited ability of Pakistanis to examine and find fault with themselves.

1) Davis had diplomatic immunity, a fact the F.O. revealed just before his expulsion. The GoP just didn't want to admit it.

Untrue, Davis did NOT have diplomatic immunity. Even your President Obama lied about Raymond having immunity. The Pakistani FM resigned after not agreeing to the lies of Ray's immunity.

2) The U.S. did OBL itself as Pakistan had demonstrated before and continues to demonstrate after its inability to pursue in good faith its sovereign obligation under international law (UNSC 1373) to root out Al Qaeda: every time the U.S. shared with Paksitan the location of an important terrorist or terror operation, the target seems to have been tipped off, often with shocking speed.

BS, the only news about targets allegedly being tipped off came out AFTER the OBL raid and never BEFORE. And it all came from the NYT, the known mouthpiece of the WH and US Intel. How did hundreds of AQ leaders get arrested if Pak was tipping off terrorists? Magic?

3) Cross-border terror could have been reduced long ago had Pakistan and the U.S. agreed upon a shared goal of rooting out all terrorists, allowing a unified Pakistan-U.S. command with joint patrols. Although clearly within reach, Pakistan instead refuses to stop hosting terrorist groups. (The joint Pak-U.S. patrols announced last month have yet to demonstrate any function.)

Or cross border terror would never have even started if the US had gone into Afghanistan with enough troops and the goal of capturing AQ/Taliban instead of relying on the Northern Alliance thugs to just drive the terrorists across the border. Next time, don't start a war you're not prepared for or can't win and then place the blame on others for not knowing how to go after your enemies.

As for Bugti - why is he considered a terrorist? I confess ignorance here, but ignorance keeping in mind the claim of Bugti's aide: "It has become a tradition in Pakistan to smear anyone as a tool in foreign hands who speaks for his rights or independence of his motherland. " link After all, when the P.A. recognizes a terrorist it usually responds by banning the entire group, but when they recognize someone as a political threat they primarily try to go after the individual, not his party.

Bugti and his associated folks in the BLA have targeted not only Pak security forces, but also innocent civilians, particularly non-Baloch settlers in Balochistan. They are feudal and racist thugs who are only good at partying, boozing, womanizing and harassing your average citizens as can been seen by their activities in the posh areas of Karachi where they own mansions from the stolen money of poor Balochs. Here is what recently happened in Karachi to a Bugti: Akbar Bugti’s grandson among six killed in Karachi firing incident – The Express Tribune
 
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At least 3 out of 4 of these have one factor in common: the limited ability of Pakistanis to examine and find fault with themselves.

1) Davis had diplomatic immunity, a fact the F.O. revealed just before his expulsion. The GoP just didn't want to admit it.
Davis had no diplomatic immunity - the US was unable to provide any documentation or notes issued from the Pakistani FO validating the argument of blanket diplomatic immunity, and the facts regarding Davis's status, his location (Lahore) and the initial comments by the American officials in Pakistan all debunk the US argument as a bald faced lie.
2) The U.S. did OBL itself as Pakistan had demonstrated before and continues to demonstrate after its inability to pursue in good faith its sovereign obligation under international law (UNSC 1373) to root out Al Qaeda: every time the U.S. shared with Paksitan the location of an important terrorist or terror operation, the target seems to have been tipped off, often with shocking speed.
Yet more lies and deceit - Pakistan demonstrated its intent to cooperate in anti-terrorism operations, especially against Al Qaeda, through the neutralization of hundreds of Al Qaeda top level leaders and members. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, Ramzi Yousuf, and Libbi included.

The 'tipping off' allegations come with no official US evidentiary support - Pakistan on the other hand has offered an official rebuttal of those allegations along with some details regarding all four raids conducted by Pakistani forces, as pointed out on the relevant threads on this forum, without any proper refutation of the Pakistani position, so far.
3) Cross-border terror could have been reduced long ago had Pakistan and the U.S. agreed upon a shared goal of rooting out all terrorists, allowing a unified Pakistan-U.S. command with joint patrols. Although clearly within reach, Pakistan instead refuses to stop hosting terrorist groups. (The joint Pak-U.S. patrols announced last month have yet to demonstrate any function.)
Given that the cross-border terrorist attacks from the Afghan side, against Pakistani villages and troops, have only continued to increase in the last few years, and have gotten to the point of several attacks in the last few weeks numbering up to hundreds of insurgents at a time, the US is in no position to be ranting about a lack of Pakistani cooperation against terrorists or 'hosting terrorists', since the Pakistani casualties from terrorists hosted on Afghan soil far outnumber American casualties from alleged terrorists in NW, again, as argued without refutation on the relevant thread on this forum.
As for Bugti - why is he considered a terrorist? I confess ignorance here, but ignorance keeping in mind the claim of Bugti's aide: "It has become a tradition in Pakistan to smear anyone as a tool in foreign hands who speaks for his rights or independence of his motherland. " link After all, when the P.A. recognizes a terrorist it usually responds by banning the entire group, but when they recognize someone as a political threat they primarily try to go after the individual, not his party.
Bugti claims to lead a group that openly espouses violence against not just the State, but also non-combatant State employees (teachers, professors, workers) and 'non-Baluch' ethnic groups, especially Punjabi settlers in Baluchistan.

And before you start accusing Pakistan of 'smearing anyone who speaks for his rights or independence of his motherland' get the Israelis to return to the 1967 borders and 'free the Palestinians' and end their apartheid like treatment.

Your rant is about as dishonest and deceitful as could be expected from a supporter of Israeli occupation, terrorism and atrocities and butchery of innocent Palestinians - men, women and children.
 
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How would Americans feel if a top notch ISI agent was caught in USA with Uranium, held for some days and then released by court back to pakistan?
 
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Untrue, Davis did NOT have diplomatic immunity.
The F.O. admitted that the U.S. had applied for it months ago and that the F.O. had not objected. That fulfills the requirement under international law. If Pakistan's laws don't conform with the treaty it is a signatory to that is Pakistan's problem, not America's and not Davis'.

BS, the only news about targets allegedly being tipped off came out AFTER the OBL raid and never BEFORE.
What, did you investigate? There's plenty of stuff on soldier's blogs about how their targets were tipped off within minutes of sharing info with Pakistani intelligence. It's not for nothing that, as Wikileaks revealed, the ISI is listed among the affiliation of numerous terrorists at Guantanamo.

And it all came from the NYT, the known mouthpiece of the WH and US Intel.
It is unfair that the NYT gets the scoops rather than the local D.C. papers. That's probably because the NYT is less critical of this Administration than the others.

How did hundreds of AQ leaders get arrested if Pak was tipping off terrorists?
If you are arresting "hundreds" then they aren't leaders, just middle management and hence easily replaceable.

Or cross border terror would never have even started if the US had gone into Afghanistan with enough troops and the goal of capturing AQ/Taliban instead of relying on the Northern Alliance thugs to just drive the terrorists across the border.
Didn't you ever question what the P.A.'s role could be in making this all possible?

Next time, don't start a war you're not prepared for -
We didn't "start" it. No American knew on 9/10 that war would come to us on 9/11. We joined battle with the forces we could muster, prepared or not.

Bugti and his associated folks in the BLA have targeted not only Pak security forces, but also innocent civilians, particularly non-Baloch settlers in Balochistan.
Targeting security forces is usually considered an act of rebellion but going after innocent civilians is terrorism. Why Pakistan didn't more actively pursue Bugti by going public to pressure the U.S. and Afghanistan I don't know, nor do I know why the U.S. didn't take a hand in apprehending Bugti if he was in U.S. reach. Perhaps lawyers intervened, saying the proof of his complicity in terror acts was insufficient? Do you know of anything specific? Did you never question that it could have been Pakistani officials, rather than American officials, committing and perpetrating errors?
 
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