What's new

In Pakistan, men make decisions and women make dinner

Joined
Mar 23, 2017
Messages
2,028
Reaction score
-8
Country
United States
Location
India
The Way I See It
In Pakistan, men make decisions and women make dinner
By Abu Bakr Agha Published: March 25, 2017

0 CommentsPrintEmail

I remember when I was much younger and observing society around me, I was so glad I was a boy.
Inequality between men and women is not something exclusive to the subcontinent or the Middle East. For instance, while allowed to participate in the army, women are still not permitted to serve in frontline combat in the United Kingdom, Turkey, and Slovakia. In the United States, and other developed nations, women are consistently overlooked for promotions and paid less for doing the same work their male counterparts do.

In this part of the world, however, we make a clear distinction. Gender inequality is far from over in the developed world but at least mainstream statements that promote equality and denounce gender bias are reassuring that the philosophy of the movement is headed in the right direction. In Pakistan, however, we are doing the exact opposite.

I remember when I was much younger, I was so glad I was a boy. At family gatherings, I would wonder why the uncle’s parents always lived at home with their son but the aunty was on her own. I realised that after marriage, women would move in with their husband’s family. I was really attached to my parents and felt relieved that in the future, I wouldn’t have to move away to some girl’s house.

I grew up in a reasonably liberal household but such social constructs still managed to reach me through school teachers, religious teachers and the odd extended family member. Men were meant to go out and make money, women were meant to take care of the house; men made decisions, women made dinner.

My own mother worked, made financial decisions, paid bills and did whatever she felt like the same way my father did; so, perhaps I looked at other ideas of gender as a story or metaphor. However, strong gender roles are forced upon those less fortunate than myself. In Pakistan, people in positions of authority, who children are taught to respect, continuously highlight differences between men and women, often selling short a woman’s ambition, her individuality and her worth as a human being. And often, these authority figures are not just teachers but parents as well.

When I was in America, I met a girl from India. I remember one day she was running late to meet one of her guy friends, which eventually lead to her having a panic attack. I calmed her down and asked what the problem was. She said she was afraid of her friend’s reaction at being late. I asked how she could be so afraid of someone she called a friend. She explained she didn’t want to disappoint him or make him angry, because he would always lose his temper when she didn’t listen to him or was late.

This was clearly a toxic friendship. I eventually helped her get out of it, but she never had an answer or explanation for the way she acted. Turns out, from a very young age, her mother always told her women should be subservient to men. In her subconscious mind, men had an elevated status to the point where she was willingly acting like a slave to a boy who perhaps, by the same logic, may have felt superior as a result of his own upbringing.

This is how dangerous our South Asian culture can be when it comes to raising our children. Another friend told me that some of her Pakistani and Indian friends were depressed at how subservient they had become to their husbands or boyfriends.

Recently, Punjab Higher Education Minister Syed Raza Ali Gillani suggested that government institutions would allot five marks to hijab-wearing students in a bid to promote the practice. This reminded me of all times men felt the need to force rules and ideas upon women. I was glad to see the backlash that ended up making this such a short-lived story but it is still proof that the problem is alive and kicking.

The average girl in Pakistan is extremely oppressed. She is taught that she is a representation of honour. She is taught to be shy and quiet. Her purpose in life is to get married and run a home, and many times there’s a conversation between families as to whether she would be ‘allowed’ to work, just to check if her husband would be comfortable with it.

The point of an education is to equip an individual with a sense of independence and liberty. These are absolutely worthless if in the same premises, we teach women that they are only meant to fill certain roles. I recently heard a lecture on the number one trending YouTube channel in Pakistan, ‘Bolti Kitabain’(Talking books), that the purpose of a women’s education is to make her a good person; not so that she can work … go figure.

Of course, we can’t hide away from the fact that there is a strong religious association to this entire problem and with our culture so strongly tied to religion, which is taboo to even question, therein lies the problem.

I was always taught a verse in the Quran, ‘there is no compulsion in religion’ (Surah 2, verse 256). But this verse is falling onto deaf ears. So, let’s say we weren’t taught it. The problem is that men feel the need to control women and use religion as a proxy and women refuse to challenge it. To get out of this problem, egalitarian men, women and scholars need to stand up for oppressed women and girls.

When we have discussions about women rights, women need to be present at those panels and TV shows in the majority. We have repeatedly been brainwashed by being told that women should do a certain thing. It’s time we stand up and constantly remind society and people like Gillani that a man should not speak on behalf a woman but should empower her speak up and make decisions for herself.

It is hypocritical to be offended when France bans the veil and be proud when Pakistan enforces the hijab. Every human being deserves a choice in what to wear, what to study, when to get married, whether to get married at all and what to do with his or her life.

This oppression on women in Pakistan is justified through convenient interpretations of the Holy Scripture, but everyone seems to forget that the Holy Prophet (pbuh)’s wife Hazrat Khadijah was a successful merchant with numerous trade caravans, without the help of a man. She was a strong independent woman who approached the Holy Prophet (pbuh) for marriage and then supported him. How do we react today in Pakistan when a wife supports the husband? We can’t even picture it because the gender roles we teach don’t subscribe to such ideas.

Abu Bakr Agha
A software engineer, musician, writer and activist from Islamabad, currently based in Chicago.
 
.
The Way I See It
In Pakistan, men make decisions and women make dinner
By Abu Bakr Agha Published: March 25, 2017

0 CommentsPrintEmail

I remember when I was much younger and observing society around me, I was so glad I was a boy.
Inequality between men and women is not something exclusive to the subcontinent or the Middle East. For instance, while allowed to participate in the army, women are still not permitted to serve in frontline combat in the United Kingdom, Turkey, and Slovakia. In the United States, and other developed nations, women are consistently overlooked for promotions and paid less for doing the same work their male counterparts do.

In this part of the world, however, we make a clear distinction. Gender inequality is far from over in the developed world but at least mainstream statements that promote equality and denounce gender bias are reassuring that the philosophy of the movement is headed in the right direction. In Pakistan, however, we are doing the exact opposite.

I remember when I was much younger, I was so glad I was a boy. At family gatherings, I would wonder why the uncle’s parents always lived at home with their son but the aunty was on her own. I realised that after marriage, women would move in with their husband’s family. I was really attached to my parents and felt relieved that in the future, I wouldn’t have to move away to some girl’s house.

I grew up in a reasonably liberal household but such social constructs still managed to reach me through school teachers, religious teachers and the odd extended family member. Men were meant to go out and make money, women were meant to take care of the house; men made decisions, women made dinner.

My own mother worked, made financial decisions, paid bills and did whatever she felt like the same way my father did; so, perhaps I looked at other ideas of gender as a story or metaphor. However, strong gender roles are forced upon those less fortunate than myself. In Pakistan, people in positions of authority, who children are taught to respect, continuously highlight differences between men and women, often selling short a woman’s ambition, her individuality and her worth as a human being. And often, these authority figures are not just teachers but parents as well.

When I was in America, I met a girl from India. I remember one day she was running late to meet one of her guy friends, which eventually lead to her having a panic attack. I calmed her down and asked what the problem was. She said she was afraid of her friend’s reaction at being late. I asked how she could be so afraid of someone she called a friend. She explained she didn’t want to disappoint him or make him angry, because he would always lose his temper when she didn’t listen to him or was late.

This was clearly a toxic friendship. I eventually helped her get out of it, but she never had an answer or explanation for the way she acted. Turns out, from a very young age, her mother always told her women should be subservient to men. In her subconscious mind, men had an elevated status to the point where she was willingly acting like a slave to a boy who perhaps, by the same logic, may have felt superior as a result of his own upbringing.

This is how dangerous our South Asian culture can be when it comes to raising our children. Another friend told me that some of her Pakistani and Indian friends were depressed at how subservient they had become to their husbands or boyfriends.

Recently, Punjab Higher Education Minister Syed Raza Ali Gillani suggested that government institutions would allot five marks to hijab-wearing students in a bid to promote the practice. This reminded me of all times men felt the need to force rules and ideas upon women. I was glad to see the backlash that ended up making this such a short-lived story but it is still proof that the problem is alive and kicking.

The average girl in Pakistan is extremely oppressed. She is taught that she is a representation of honour. She is taught to be shy and quiet. Her purpose in life is to get married and run a home, and many times there’s a conversation between families as to whether she would be ‘allowed’ to work, just to check if her husband would be comfortable with it.

The point of an education is to equip an individual with a sense of independence and liberty. These are absolutely worthless if in the same premises, we teach women that they are only meant to fill certain roles. I recently heard a lecture on the number one trending YouTube channel in Pakistan, ‘Bolti Kitabain’(Talking books), that the purpose of a women’s education is to make her a good person; not so that she can work … go figure.

Of course, we can’t hide away from the fact that there is a strong religious association to this entire problem and with our culture so strongly tied to religion, which is taboo to even question, therein lies the problem.

I was always taught a verse in the Quran, ‘there is no compulsion in religion’ (Surah 2, verse 256). But this verse is falling onto deaf ears. So, let’s say we weren’t taught it. The problem is that men feel the need to control women and use religion as a proxy and women refuse to challenge it. To get out of this problem, egalitarian men, women and scholars need to stand up for oppressed women and girls.

When we have discussions about women rights, women need to be present at those panels and TV shows in the majority. We have repeatedly been brainwashed by being told that women should do a certain thing. It’s time we stand up and constantly remind society and people like Gillani that a man should not speak on behalf a woman but should empower her speak up and make decisions for herself.

It is hypocritical to be offended when France bans the veil and be proud when Pakistan enforces the hijab. Every human being deserves a choice in what to wear, what to study, when to get married, whether to get married at all and what to do with his or her life.

This oppression on women in Pakistan is justified through convenient interpretations of the Holy Scripture, but everyone seems to forget that the Holy Prophet (pbuh)’s wife Hazrat Khadijah was a successful merchant with numerous trade caravans, without the help of a man. She was a strong independent woman who approached the Holy Prophet (pbuh) for marriage and then supported him. How do we react today in Pakistan when a wife supports the husband? We can’t even picture it because the gender roles we teach don’t subscribe to such ideas.

Abu Bakr Agha
A software engineer, musician, writer and activist from Islamabad, currently based in Chicago.

Post link/source as well.

http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/48043/in-pakistan-men-make-decisions-and-women-make-dinner/
 
. . . .
S
So what you want to debate?
You agree with OP or not?

I fully agree with OP from indian perspective.

Women in subcontinent need more freedom and rights within the homes.

government can only control and implement laws outside the boundaries of the homes.

I have no clue about the situation in pakistan.
 
Last edited:
.
Writer of the blog is: A software engineer, musician, writer and activist from Islamabad, currently based in Chicago.

:rofl:

So a musician hippie wanna be in the U.S knows the problems of average Pakistani women living in small towns, villages, and communities etc?

These burger types have NO clue as to the real challenges face by average Pakistani girls. They live in their bubble and try to act as our 'saviors'

These burger types are so dumb that while women in interior Sindh were getting exploited and raped by feudal lords and waderas---these "feminists" type girls fromultra-rich families were busy talking about "being proud of their periods." Remember that?

bnu-wall.jpg


Their motto was "Periods make us hornier"

Yes, these are the secular-liberals who want to change Pakistan's "oppressive" culture and talk about "real issues" of our sisters, and daughters. Real issues such as "periods" and their "horny-ness"

It's insulting to Pakistanis how these idiots think they can speak for us and define what our problems are. No mate, you fu*ck off with your elitist behavior and throught process. You don't speak for Pakistan or it's problems. You have never experienced them, and never will (thanks to your rich and well-connected daddy that got you this job at English-language magazine....which 90% of Pakistanis can not even read).
 
Last edited:
. .
I am not a flag waver, in fact quite the opposite. I consider Pakistanis the one of the most self-delusional people in the world. In my last visit I was heart broken at the state of the country.

However, where ever I went, I found the food I was given as absolutely mind blowing. I have never been to a country where the cuisine was of such a consistently high standard. The average cuisine in West pales in to insignificance.

I guess because Pakistani women spend more time cooking and less making decisions.
 
.
I fully agree with OP from indian perspective.

Women in subcontinent need more freedom and rights within the homes.

government can only control and implement laws outside the boundaries of the homes.

I have not clue about the situation in pakistan.
define freedom???
we have to give her freedom, not make her a commudity.
Example what was the role of katrina kaif in dhoom3 except..... giving her freedom.
 
.
Let me alert the specialist on this subject @abdulbarijan
-In my opinion, this is as pathetic as an article can get. So lemme get this straight, a guy from a country which has around a 70% divorce rate, an identity crisis among the young because they don't know who their fathers are (a shout out to "sexual freedom" for that one), and according to feminist organizations, a sexual assault/domestic violence epidemic --- is talking about how other countries should function socially ... that should be the end of the conversation right there ...

-But let's take it further, he talks about how MEN use religion as a proxy to enforce stuff on women. Well guess what, the enforcement of special roles isn't on 'JUST WOMEN', a society whose social structure is based on gender roles, men have theirs too. How many women die in wars? How many women work in dangerous jobs even in the west which loves to talk about a glass ceiling at the top management, but all you hear is birds chirping if you mention that coal miners and other dangerous job holders are exclusively men and that should be 50-50 as well because after all ... It not being 50-50 means that there is some sort of "discrimination and oppression of women" .. atleast according to western feminism...

-Lastly, in a democratic society, no Tom, Dick or Harry from the west is going to tell us PAKISTANIS, how WE should lead our lives. Our men and women will be the ones to decide. If men and women want gender specific roles where men go out and are charged with the responsibility of the finances etc. while women remain in the houses and take care of the children and housework ... that is OUR decision as a society. If men and women want to be completely free where everything is gender neutral, that is OUR decision again. Let's not take advice from a hyper confused society that talks big on "gender equality" yet women want men to pay on the first date cuz "it's traditional" ...
 
Last edited:
.
The Way I See It
In Pakistan, men make decisions and women make dinner
By Abu Bakr Agha Published: March 25, 2017

0 CommentsPrintEmail

I remember when I was much younger and observing society around me, I was so glad I was a boy.
Inequality between men and women is not something exclusive to the subcontinent or the Middle East. For instance, while allowed to participate in the army, women are still not permitted to serve in frontline combat in the United Kingdom, Turkey, and Slovakia. In the United States, and other developed nations, women are consistently overlooked for promotions and paid less for doing the same work their male counterparts do.

In this part of the world, however, we make a clear distinction. Gender inequality is far from over in the developed world but at least mainstream statements that promote equality and denounce gender bias are reassuring that the philosophy of the movement is headed in the right direction. In Pakistan, however, we are doing the exact opposite.

I remember when I was much younger, I was so glad I was a boy. At family gatherings, I would wonder why the uncle’s parents always lived at home with their son but the aunty was on her own. I realised that after marriage, women would move in with their husband’s family. I was really attached to my parents and felt relieved that in the future, I wouldn’t have to move away to some girl’s house.

I grew up in a reasonably liberal household but such social constructs still managed to reach me through school teachers, religious teachers and the odd extended family member. Men were meant to go out and make money, women were meant to take care of the house; men made decisions, women made dinner.

My own mother worked, made financial decisions, paid bills and did whatever she felt like the same way my father did; so, perhaps I looked at other ideas of gender as a story or metaphor. However, strong gender roles are forced upon those less fortunate than myself. In Pakistan, people in positions of authority, who children are taught to respect, continuously highlight differences between men and women, often selling short a woman’s ambition, her individuality and her worth as a human being. And often, these authority figures are not just teachers but parents as well.

When I was in America, I met a girl from India. I remember one day she was running late to meet one of her guy friends, which eventually lead to her having a panic attack. I calmed her down and asked what the problem was. She said she was afraid of her friend’s reaction at being late. I asked how she could be so afraid of someone she called a friend. She explained she didn’t want to disappoint him or make him angry, because he would always lose his temper when she didn’t listen to him or was late.

This was clearly a toxic friendship. I eventually helped her get out of it, but she never had an answer or explanation for the way she acted. Turns out, from a very young age, her mother always told her women should be subservient to men. In her subconscious mind, men had an elevated status to the point where she was willingly acting like a slave to a boy who perhaps, by the same logic, may have felt superior as a result of his own upbringing.

This is how dangerous our South Asian culture can be when it comes to raising our children. Another friend told me that some of her Pakistani and Indian friends were depressed at how subservient they had become to their husbands or boyfriends.

Recently, Punjab Higher Education Minister Syed Raza Ali Gillani suggested that government institutions would allot five marks to hijab-wearing students in a bid to promote the practice. This reminded me of all times men felt the need to force rules and ideas upon women. I was glad to see the backlash that ended up making this such a short-lived story but it is still proof that the problem is alive and kicking.

The average girl in Pakistan is extremely oppressed. She is taught that she is a representation of honour. She is taught to be shy and quiet. Her purpose in life is to get married and run a home, and many times there’s a conversation between families as to whether she would be ‘allowed’ to work, just to check if her husband would be comfortable with it.

The point of an education is to equip an individual with a sense of independence and liberty. These are absolutely worthless if in the same premises, we teach women that they are only meant to fill certain roles. I recently heard a lecture on the number one trending YouTube channel in Pakistan, ‘Bolti Kitabain’(Talking books), that the purpose of a women’s education is to make her a good person; not so that she can work … go figure.

Of course, we can’t hide away from the fact that there is a strong religious association to this entire problem and with our culture so strongly tied to religion, which is taboo to even question, therein lies the problem.

I was always taught a verse in the Quran, ‘there is no compulsion in religion’ (Surah 2, verse 256). But this verse is falling onto deaf ears. So, let’s say we weren’t taught it. The problem is that men feel the need to control women and use religion as a proxy and women refuse to challenge it. To get out of this problem, egalitarian men, women and scholars need to stand up for oppressed women and girls.

When we have discussions about women rights, women need to be present at those panels and TV shows in the majority. We have repeatedly been brainwashed by being told that women should do a certain thing. It’s time we stand up and constantly remind society and people like Gillani that a man should not speak on behalf a woman but should empower her speak up and make decisions for herself.

It is hypocritical to be offended when France bans the veil and be proud when Pakistan enforces the hijab. Every human being deserves a choice in what to wear, what to study, when to get married, whether to get married at all and what to do with his or her life.

This oppression on women in Pakistan is justified through convenient interpretations of the Holy Scripture, but everyone seems to forget that the Holy Prophet (pbuh)’s wife Hazrat Khadijah was a successful merchant with numerous trade caravans, without the help of a man. She was a strong independent woman who approached the Holy Prophet (pbuh) for marriage and then supported him. How do we react today in Pakistan when a wife supports the husband? We can’t even picture it because the gender roles we teach don’t subscribe to such ideas.

Abu Bakr Agha
A software engineer, musician, writer and activist from Islamabad, currently based in Chicago.
Typical feminist crap. The kind of equality this man is talking about can never happen. That is why in sport men and women compete separately not against each other. These people want to deny basic biological facts
 
.
Foreign NGO funded media outlets such as DAWN, Tribune and Geo are very well known for spreading the kind of propaganda they are paid for. Even compromising national security for reasons unknown.

It is always fine to discuss issues that we have in our society, but you also have to take into consideration the credentials of the person who raises those. The motiviation of the author are equally imporant to see whether they actually want to discuss the issue or want to produce some noises in order to get noticed by possible foreign employers.

This seems to be the case with this article as well.

Sorry couldn't help it!
 
.
-In my opinion, this is as pathetic as an article can get. So lemme get this straight, a guy from a country which has around a 70% divorce rate, an identity crisis among the young because they don't know who their fathers are, and according to feminist organizations a sexual assault/domestic violence epidemic is talking about how other countries should function socially ... that should be the end of the conversation ...

-But let's take a further, he talks about how MEN use religion as a proxy to enforce stuff on women. Well guess what, the enforcement of special roles isn't on JUST WOMEN, it's men as well. How many women die in wars? How many women work in dangerous jobs even in the west which loves to talk about a glass ceiling at the top management, but all you hear is birds chirping if you mention that coal miners and other dangerous job holders are exclusively men and that should be 50-50 as well because after all ... It not being 50-50 means that there is some sort of "discrimination and oppression of women" .. atleast according to western feminism...

-Lastly, in a democratic society, no Tom, Dick or Harry from the west is going to tell us, how WE should lead our lives. Our men and women will be the ones to decide. If men and women want gender specific roles where men go out and are charged with the responsibility of the finances etc. while women remain in the houses and take care of the children and housework ... that is OUR decision as a society. If men and women want to be completely free where everything is gender neutral, that is OUR decision again. Let's not take advice from a hyper confused society that talks big on "gender equality" yet women want men to pay on the first date cuz "it's traditional" ...

https://mobile.twitter.com/ab_agha

Please reply to this guy here @AUz @Horus
 
.
define freedom???
we have to give her freedom, not make her a commudity.
Example what was the role of katrina kaif in dhoom3 except..... giving her freedom.

Freedom - the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.

If actress does not mind acting in that role what is your problem? you too have the freedom to watch or not watch the film but you do not the freedom to ban the film as then you would be encroaching on the freedom of others who may want to act in the film or watch the film.

Typical feminist crap. The kind of equality this man is talking about can never happen. That is why in sport men and women compete separately not against each other. These people want to deny basic biological facts

In tennis people play mixed doubles

upload_2017-3-26_7-24-28.png



upload_2017-3-26_7-24-57.png


upload_2017-3-26_7-26-21.png
 

Attachments

  • upload_2017-3-26_7-25-41.png
    upload_2017-3-26_7-25-41.png
    244.3 KB · Views: 20
.

Pakistan Defence Latest Posts

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom