In Germany, are anti-Muslim terrorists the real threat? - Washington Post

[Desert Fox]

Europe is losing its mind.

Maniacal Islamophobia is around, it's very common, it was there before, but over the last 3-4 years it's become acceptable in the political mainstream and a valid, non-fringe system of opinions.

It's still true, Europe is probably the most left wing, tolerant place on earth. What a shame it is.... Europeans feel their way of life under threat, so they abandon their own principals to combat those who seek to oppose said principles.

It's like having an irrational fear of being eaten alive by lions, so in order to save yourself, you put a bullet between your eyes. The lion threat here being Islam, the person being European liberal values, and the bullet, the right wing response.

Can we say the same about Pakistanis??

Are Pakistanis losing their minds by deporting hundreds of thousands of Afghan MUSLIM refugees??

Are we Pakistanis going back on our Islamic principles by deporting fellow MUSLIM Afghans??

Why are Pakistanis discriminatory towards poor MUSLIM Afghans??

I think its high time that we Muslims learn that when we ourselves live in glass houses we shouldn't throw stones at others.

 

[flamer84]

Look who the cat dragged in ...
The North African Neanderthal pretending to be Nordic German ..
Hey Markus how does it feel that you will never resemble the true "Aryans" the Nordics ..
ha ha ha
The stink in here is too bad ..
I am outta of here ...
Somebody please change the forum name to "Stormfront 2"

LOL always bullying people when they don't agree,the good 'ol racist card.Sry,were are my manners,let me send an invite to a 10 member african family to my home,come right in,have a go at my wife,i don't want to seem racist now.

 

[tested]

The immigration didn't have the quotas of today for every year in those last 60 years.It's gotten worse in the last 10-15 years.Even so,creating a 10% mass in 20-30 years is unheard off.

Why do the European governments wish to make ethnic europeans a minority in their own lands? Why are they persisting with allowing refugees ?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The immigration didn't have the quotas of today for every year in those last 60 years.It's gotten worse in the last 10-15 years.Even so,creating a 10% mass in 20-30 years is unheard off.

Flamer, I honest views on the subject. I agree unbridled immigration needs controlling. In fact strict controls need to be set in. However I am not going to condone rampant racism.
I believe for example UK needs to cut down annual immigration to less then 10,000 a year above net loss. Beyond that it is just untenable because of UK being small island.
When I say immigration all immigration of all colours.
I don't discriminate ..

 

[flamer84]

Flamer, I honest views on the subject. I agree unbridled immigration needs controlling. In fact strict controls need to be set in. However I am not going to condone rampant racism.
I believe for example UK needs to cut down annual immigration to less then 10,000 a year above net loss. Beyond that it is just untenable because of UK being small island.
When I say immigration all immigration of all colours.
I don't discriminate ..

Than i don't know why we're arguing about it.My view is that the current system is plain wrong,meaning open doors for everybody.

Why do the European governments wish to make ethnic europeans a minority in their own lands? Why are they persisting with allowing refugees ?

Beats the hell out of me.Nobody bothers with referendums on the subject.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Than i don't know why we're arguing about it.My view is that the current system is plain wrong,meaning open doors for everybody.

No problem ..
Pardon me. Tender a apology . I am hungry I think ...
Time for Donner unless the Turkish Donner Kebab guy has been shot by NSU ...
Ha Ha Ha

and say sorry to Markus as well..
The size of that guy I am not going to go anywhere near Italy in case I run into him ..
Coliseum in Rome ... Well will have to forget about seeing that ...

 

[Desert Fox]

All the right in Europe serves to do is further divide people and alienate an already detached Muslim population.

You're right, unfortunately. It is a tragedy that the Muslim population has become alienated within European societies. But this is bound to happen when two groups of people with totally different, even conflicting world views and religious and cultural beliefs try to coexist with one another.

However, such a phenomena isn't a European thing.

Lets take a look at our very own Islamic Republic of Pakistan where Shia Muslims, who mind you are Muslims, get slaughtered and butchered by their own fellow Sunni Muslims.

We can't even protect our own Christian minority and Afghan refugees/immigrants are discriminated against by Right Wing Racist/sectarian/ethnocentric bigots.

I'd say, one is less likely to be killed by a European right winger than by a extremist in Pakistan who wants to behead anyone that does not share his version of Islam.

 

[That Guy]

They are against these wahabi salafi type people.

No, they're against everyone who's different (i.e not a white german christian). Stop blaming wahabis and salafis for everything, it's just as bad as when racists blame Muslims in general.

 

[flamer84]

No, they're against everyone who's different (i.e not a white german christian). Stop blaming wahabis and salafis for everything, it's just as bad as when racists blame Muslims in general.

Honest question.If after 25 years of unchecked immigration Pakistan gets a 7-10% white European Christian minority and they keep coming how would you feel ? We all know the answer to that but i'd apreciate to hear it from you.

 

[tested]

Beats the hell out of me.Nobody bothers with referendums on the subject.

Well, the left leaning Congress party consistently encouraged and allowed immigration to India from Bangladesh because all the immigrants gave vote to the Congress. It became a vote bank for them at the cost of our national stability and security.

Is it perhaps something similar?

 

[flamer84]

Well, the left leaning Congress party consistently encouraged and allowed immigration to India from Bangladesh because all the immigrants gave vote to the Congress. It became a vote bank for them at the cost of our national stability and security.

Is it perhaps something similar?

For the left yes,it's a voting bank but apart from the extreme wing the other parties are passive about it to.Now,you see,people don't want to vote for the extreme right but,as seen over the years,once they're ignored,there's no other option.

Well, the left leaning Congress party consistently encouraged and allowed immigration to India from Bangladesh because all the immigrants gave vote to the Congress. It became a vote bank for them at the cost of our national stability and security.

Is it perhaps something similar?

I'll give you an example.Look at the Italian poll.....80% of Italians want a stop to immigration.....80%!!! and the Italian PM,Renzi, is out there in Bruxelles crying his heart out how Europe must receive immigrants(i knew about this polls and when i saw the guy arguing about immigration i couldn't believe my eyes,it's like they're mad).Either the dude is not right in the head or they're really out to get us ! I see no logic in such decisions,none......

 

[Desert Fox]

No guy's they are going do jacksh*t.
The reality is we don't go f*ucking around in 'their' lands, they do to ours. Check out French in North Africa, Middle East, to Afghanistan, Iraq on some flimsy excuse they come.
China is rising and they will need the muslim World as bulwark.
European governments unlike these two genius here know that China parked on North Africa coast across France would be a strategic disaster or for that matter Chinese move on Middle East.
So these muppets can sob all they like in the grand scheme of things every day China rises the more will NATO try to secure the flanks.

Bro, everyone's has colonized and enslaved in history. This has been the case since the first humans inhabited this earth. Muslims have had their fair share of colonizing, enslaving, looting, plundering, destroying, etc....

If we are going to hold Europeans accountable for their imperialist past then we might as well hold the Mongolia accountable for their imperialism and brutality, the Arabs for theirs, the Afghans and Turks for their imperialism, and really this would be an endless cycle.

The common European is not accountable for what happened some 300 years ago.

BTW, if YOU our any other Pakistani wants to see real racism then go pay a visit to the Gulf Arab countries and see how they treat their South Asian Muslim brothers and i can assure you that any worry of yours about European Far Right is going to be forgotten in comparison.

 

[Koovie]

The concerns are somewhat justified, but the response, scales and the nature make it irrational.
For example, you'd be be frightened of a gigantic spider that was threatening to crawl towards you.
That's rational, now imagine you live where there's no such threat, but you fear, a giant spider will swim the pacific, and the Atlantic, to make it where you are, breed by it's thousands and attack your home in an organised assault. That is irrational.

And then to kill yourself over the fear is the kind of response from the far right in Europe.

Muslims threatening European values of tolerance, freedom speech, worship, expression, and other liberties? Get rid of Muslims (intolerance), silence them (kill freedom of speech), stop building mosques (kill freedom of religion).

So the values that they fight for, they end up destroying by their own way of defending. All from an over hyped and disproportionately small-'er' threat.

Also, the spook stories of Sharia zones in London are BS. London is playground, I should know. Some concerns about British Muslims are REAL, most exhibited by the far right are frivolous and ludicrous.

All the right in Europe serves to do is further divide people and alienate an already detached Muslim population.

Oh, I was not defending those right wing nutheads in any way. Their way of thinking and actions are as much of a threat to democracy and freedom as any religious fundamentalist.

That being said, the fear of the ordinary citizen is not unjustified. Muslim neighborhoods with their own dress codes etc do indeed exist and are a threat to social peace.

 

[Desert Fox]

Yes i'm racist and openly admit it and yes i see islam as enemy of europe. Thats my opinion and i stand for it. I would never want a muslim as friend, would not invite one and dont trust them. I see other cultures as primitive and look down on them.

Dude, bro, that's some messed up worldview.

At least you should respect others way of life rather than call them primitive or disrespect them just because they are different from you.

 

[hussain0216]

You will find amongst Europeans those moaning about immigration are the first to glorify their colonial past

**** em

Let them moan, in the recent past they justify interference, involvement and war in the middle east Based on lies and propaganda

They destroy iraq, syria and libia because they had no plan, no foresight create a situation where millions become refugees then they moan that the refugees are coming to Europe

Like I said **** em,

Europe is a shadow of what it used to be with limited resources let them break their most important ideals such as freedom of religion and freedom of speech, tolerance to try and kick out migrants and immigrants


The more ill thought out wars they have the more refugees should come to Europe