In a snub to US, India to go ahead with S-400 missile deal with Russia

[illusion8]

A part from wht is going on, historically India snubbed everyone when push comes to shove:
1. snubbed Israel before bibi's visit to India by cancelling missile deal then snubbed again on UN vote on Jureslam. At tht time also pdf was full with speculations.
2. India and Russia snubbed each other on Pak-fa deal. But now moved ahead.
3. Snubbed China during Doklam and recent visit of Sushma swaraj to Beijing by openly voracious against OBOR. Wang don't like her much. He wants shiv shanker Menon to lead the talk.
4. get Saudi allow to fly Air India over its airspace while flying to Israel but same is not available with Air Israel.
5. Snubbed Australia during their PM VISIT to India on agriculture goods imports and he returned the favour by not allowing mining of coal.
5. Snubbed France president hollande by not giving her girlfriend first lady protocol.
6. Snubbed Usa by keeping embassy open in North Korea and buying Iranian oil. This still going on without fuss.
7. Transfering money to Tehran using British group bank. This is still going on and I'm part of it.

The funniest was the Canadian PM getting royally snubbed in India. The parliament in Canada have still not stopped discussing it. The snub literally brought down the Canadian PM's rating into the negative.

 

[Tshering22]

I like how India is dealing with US. Pakistan can learn from this. Don't have always have to start saying bhai bhai when someone gives you a bit of attention.

It was never about bhai-bhai in our case, especially with Uncle Sam.

There are a very few points where we converge in realistic sense. Geopolitical concerns in Asia with regards to our territorial integrity, hostile encirclement of our area and resources in our area of influence are the three concerns where India and US agree upon.

Other than that, whether it is US' middle east policy, war in West Asia policy, sanctions on Iran policy, sanctions against Russia policy, forceful recognition of Kosovo state as a separate country policy, inciting rebellions and violence in Syria and Ukraine policy etc are a big NO-NO for us.

And we have been pretty vocal about all these issues.

 

[Dalit]

There are not snubs, this is called diplomacy

If this is called diplomacy you are soon going to find out the after effects. I don't think India will get away with a simple "we will stick with our choice". Of course it remains to be seen how the Americans react, but with Trump anything is possible.

 

[sputnik]

The funniest was the Canadian PM getting royally snubbed in India. The parliament in Canada have still not stopped discussing it. The snub literally brought down the Canadian PM's rating into the negative.

He along with his family roaming India like nobody. Even random tourist get more attention then Justin.

 

[Papa Dragon]

well, its just that S-400 receives loads of applause in the media, I don't know if it failed in Syria or it wasn't used at all.....but it wont be fun two adversaries having the same high end air defence weapon, china and India, and there is a talk of Pak might get it too,

S400 alone wouldn't help. It all comes down to who's got the best anti air-defense layered systems which includes a range of LR, MR, SR, VSR SAMs and fusion/integration of various radars, sensors, satellite and communication systems.

 

[Beast]

US will do anything -- it can't do anything -- about India and Russia. India is not Turkey, a NATO member, where it can browbeat it into submission. US has lost a lot of goodwill for unilaterally withdrawing from Iran deal and imposing punitive tariffs on friends and foes alike.

US can cut off F404 and F414 engine supply and killed LCA. It will bring India to its knees.

Same as cutting off support for Apache, P-8, C-17, C-130J.

 

[Tshering22]

you missed this

If US is serious, India would disappear from the map of the world within few days and would give birth to at least two dozen new nations.

They were as serious as they could be in 1971 when they sent their CBG to Bay of Bengal and couldn't do jack about it. You really think they will do it now when a consolidated market is actually benefitting their country's corporations? Keep your fantasy out of real discussions.

Trudeau was mocked at by his own people. Just visit any discussion blog and see how so many Canadians resent his actions. Why are we being blamed for that? We want excellent relations with Canada but not at the cost of our security interests.

Stephen Harper was doing an excellent job collaborating with us, he unfortunately lost election and then came this man.

 

[indianfighter1999]

I don’t believe s-400 is that potent of weapon, Indian might not have bought it but now when some one trying to dictate us .. this deal will definable be finalized you never tell an Indian what to do haha...
S-400 is no match for a Su-30 MKi carring 12 BVR missile and Rafale carrying Meteor missiles guiding by Phalcon Awacs now thats what I call some air defense.

 

[KapitaanAli]

US can cut off F404 and F414 engine supply and killed LCA. It will bring India to its knees.

Same as cutting off support for Apache, P-8, C-17, C-130J.

Last time Americans tried to kill Tejas, we developed our own FCS.

I hope they try it again.

 

[Rajesh Singh]

I don’t believe s-400 is that potent of weapon, Indian might not have bought it but now when some one trying to dictate us .. this deal will definable be finalized you never tell an Indian what to do haha...
S-400 is no match for a Su-30 MKi carring 12 BVR missile and Rafale carrying Meteor missiles guiding by Phalcon Awacs now thats what I call some air defense.

Like cricket if you're good and clean hitter then you could be definitely a valuable player of team.

But if don't have good defensive technic then it's very little chance that you can survive against good bowlers.

I hope... You will get my point

 

[araz]

you missed this

If US is serious, India would disappear from the map of the world within few days and would give birth to at least two dozen new nations.

I somehow doubt it. US economically is not the powerhouse it used to be so its influence is also being limited. India is a regional power house and money does talk. Keeping the red bear interested with some honey is a matter of survival for India.
We need to start to look at the asian countries and their buying power. Their population accounts for nearly 1/2 the world. We have remained in the conflict zone to appease the western defence industry for far too long. Let us settle differences and shift Eastwards. This in reality is what the West fears.
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[SabzShaheen]

Exert pressure how? it is not 1960 or 1970 those days are gone.

Economic sanctions go a long way, so does diplomatic pressure on India's other allies.

 

[punit]

Want snub ? The deal was ongoing since many years. Why wil USA be have any issue with india purchasing russian weapon and vice versa ?

 

[Beast]

Last time Americans tried to kill Tejas, we developed our own FCS.

I hope they try it again.

Lol.. we are talking about engine which is the most difficult part to make and you try act smart by diverting to FCS?

Let me repeat again, india is no way to make a class of F404 even in next 15years time. You are at mercy of American , British or Russian. Period.

 

[PurpleStone]

They were as serious as they could be in 1971 when they sent their CBG to Bay of Bengal and couldn't do jack about it. You really think they will do it now when a consolidated market is actually benefitting their country's corporations? Keep your fantasy out of real discussions.

India can always fight external wars very easily but US would fight India internally. They have enough resources on ground to destroy India from within. External war would unite Indians but when an internal war is waged India would only know about it after she has lost the war.

Trudeau was mocked at by his own people. Just visit any discussion blog and see how so many Canadians resent his actions. Why are we being blamed for that? We want excellent relations with Canada but not at the cost of our security interests.

Stephen Harper was doing an excellent job collaborating with us, he unfortunately lost election and then came this man.

Conclusion - Trudeau cares more about his Khalistani voter base than relations with India.