in a future conflict with india will pakistans lack of Naval assests cost it defeat?

[gslv mk3]

To block oil ships PN just need C-602 land based & its Aslat class missile crafts as the area near Gawadar is not as huge.

Are you simply undermining INs capabilities ?

 

[Basel]

Range of all these are less than 300 km.

Do you really think that missile range restriction apply on China Pakistan?? both know how to deal with it, PN may soon have indigenous version of long range anti ship + land attack missile with range of up to 400 kms as they already have C-602 who's Chinese local version have range of 400 Kms.

 

[gslv mk3]

PN may soon have indigenous version of long range anti ship + land attack missile with range of up to 400 kms

Which is it ?And who would build the seeker ?

 

[Basel]

Are you simply undermining INs capabilities ?

Nope, I have discussed many things what you Indian say on here with Naval officers and one they say that those Indians on PDF don't know how Naval wars are fought.

 

[manojb]

LOL...

typical bhartis floating in their delusions...

Has anyone cared enough to look at the map?

Guess which naval force has more chances to blocking the flow of oil to other nation?

In naval blockade, the only thing matters is disrupting the energy flow to your enemy..since that is the most important commodity in times of conflict.

Indian navy can block ships of noodles coming from Indonesia to Pakistan. Or ships with playstations from Japan.

BIG FCUCKING DEAL!

Pakistan doesn't get its oil from Japan...but India does gets its oil from Persian Gulf.

Guess which naval force is closer to Persian Gulf and can reach the choke points before the adversary does?

Pakistani submarines armed with state-of-the-art torpedoes and cruise missiles submerged deep beneath the gate of Persian Gulf threatening to blockade/destroy any oil shipment to India. While Pakistani Ships, AWACs, Coastal batteries, and Aerial assets providing cover to the whole blockade effort.

What can Indians do in such scenario? Try to break-in this well-dug Pakistani Naval force by coming in the range of our air-defense and anti-ship missiles?

Yeah, good luck.

india has a large navy because they have a large coast to protect.

Pakistan's Naval Power is enough to keep indians at bay and to foil any so-called "blockade attempt" from bhartis..

And Pakistan's naval strength is only gonna increase with time..with the induction of newer, more powerful submarines, nuclear cruise missiles, and JF-17s armed with anti-ship missiles and weaponry.

so in order to blockade India you need to blockade UAE/IRAN/SA/IRAQ and half dozens of US naval bases .. genius plan !

 

[Basel]

Which is it ?And who would build the seeker ?

Majority Chinese system are purchased with TOT and all Chinese system of PN are hybrid of western and Chinese systems, PN is most trained force on NCW in Pakistan by US, and they do it knowing that they have to face a very large foe.

 

[gslv mk3]

Nope, I have discussed many things what you Indian say on here with Naval officers and one they say that those Indians on PDF don't know how Naval wars are fought.

You haven't taken Indian Naval Air Arm & Air Defense of Indian ships into account.

Majority Chinese system are purchased with TOT and all Chinese system of PN are hybrid of western and Chinese systems, PN is most trained force on NCW in Pakistan by US, and they do it knowing that they have to face a very large foe.

No,name the indigenous system.

 

[Basel]

You haven't taken Indian Naval Air Arm & Air Defense of Indian ships into account.

Every thing into account, they say what they have known is that IN will not bring its air arm (MIG-29s) close to our EEZ they tend to operate far from our borders for blockade this time and they are taking steps to handle that, in borders IAF will be threat for PN and air defense is therefore improved although its point defense but it is deployed in good numbers and with capability to track and destroy all air born threats (PGMs, Missile, helos, air crafts).

It will not be easy for IN to detect F-22Ps as they have low RCS and some good western electronics on board, they can come close to IN as far as 50 kms before firing all 8 rounds of their anti ship missiles and run.

 

[Basel]

No,name the indigenous system.

You just don't get what I have said, any sane person will understand what I have said.

 

[danger007]

PN can also use C-602s from coastal batteries in dual role, 1) anti ship and 2) surface to surface get the hint. Also IN fleet will have to face supersonic anti ship missiles from PAF, for the first time PAF have 3 different weapons systems to hunt ships, 1) Exocet 2) C-802A 3) CM-400AKG.

so the Brahmos. . We got Exocet too..

 

[Basel]

Pakistan cannot impose Naval blockade because it has only has 3 combat ready submarines all of which are diesel and not all will be deployed at once.

PN have 5 operational Subs with 3 having AIP and all 5 can fire anti ship missiles too.

so the Brahmos. . We got Exocet too..

I m not comparing system with India what I m telling that PN & PAF's capabilities have also increased and they are increasing it as per their fighting doctrine not what just India have or can have.

 

[acetophenol]

Every thing into account, they say what they have known is that IN will not bring its air arm (MIG-29s) close to our EEZ they tend to operate far from our borders for blockade this time and they are taking steps to handle that, in borders IAF will be threat for PN and air defense is therefore improved although its point defense but it is deployed in good numbers and with capability to track and destroy all air born threats (PGMs, Missile, helos, air crafts).

It will not be easy for IN to detect F-22Ps as they have low RCS and some good western electronics on board, they can come close to IN as far as 50 kms before firing all 8 rounds of their anti ship missiles and run.

Lol,in that way,PN too have tough time with our Shivaliks,Talwars,Kolkatas,Kamortas and Bengalurus!

 

[SQ8]

You do know that those coastal C-80x batteries are next to useless for a blockade dont you?
No ship need come within 300 kms range of Pakistanis shores to impose a blockade.
Secondly, they are likely to be bombed first thing by India when a war starts if India wants to do exactly what those batteries are there to prevent - a flank.

You dont have a half decent modern SAM system to speak of. The HQ series is only placed for a couple of areas and the SPADA system is limited in numbers and is also short range SAM system. Limited by its use, its meant to be a last defense against missiles for those that streak through a large air defense system.

I suppose those coastal batteries will have a huge X marked on them and will wave flares marking their position?

 

[gslv mk3]

Every thing into account, they say what they have known is that IN will not bring its air arm (MIG-29s)

From where did you get that ?

It will not be easy for IN to detect F-22Ps as they have low RCS and some good western electronics on board, they can come close to IN as far as 50 kms before firing all 8 rounds of their anti ship missiles and run.

Again,I guess you have misunderstood meaning of stealth ship.

 

[Basel]

The P-8 Poseidon will be able to detect PNS ships and direct Mig29k to engage before our ships have to engage.

PN knew what IN purchasing so EW is beefed up as per that threat don't worry, even little F-22P can misguide your brahmos with many gadgets it has, also what you are not considering is AWACS on both sides PAF will deploy them to track ships and air crafts so not easy for P-8s to come close with out proper protection.