In a first, Pakistan to send trans persons as Hajj volunteers

[Ray-of-Hope]

That is movie material.

Imagine me being in the middle of crying parents, trying not to laugh. It wasn't the tears that were funny, but the whole scenario

 

[Divergent]

Islam DOES NOT recognize any such 'disorders'. If someone has a defect, they are required to choose the gender that is most pertinent for their condition. If they are equally possible, then on or the other gender must be chosen and the rest of the life is spent accordingly. They are either a male or a female. No such thing as transgender.

Transgender is an 'innovation' that allows for 'gender fluidity', and arbitrary selection of gender based on personal choice rather than physical ability. This is a disgusting practice. In Islam, if someone is unable to fulfil the marital right of their partner, it is HARAM for them to marry at all. Whereas 'transgender' allows for homosexual intercourse.

This is a total mockery of Islam and even basic human decency.

The most ridiculous comment I’ve read today.

 

[CriticalThought]

The most ridiculous comment I’ve read today.

I am not surprised, given your well known leanings.

 

[Divergent]

I am not surprised, given your well known leanings.

What leanings are you referring to? Are you saying human malfunctions don’t happen and gender ambiguity doesn’t exist due to it? It’s medically proven.

 

[CriticalThought]

What leanings are you referring to? Are you saying human malfunctions don’t happen and gender ambiguity doesn’t exist due to it? It’s medically proven.

Your social and cultural leanings.

I never said such ambiguity doesn't exist. What I did say is that Islam requires people to make one choice and stick with it for the rest of their lives. They are allowed to undergo an operation if it is needed. But, after making their choice, they are not called transgender. They are treated as male/female per their choice. If they aren't able to provide marital rights on the marital bed to a person of opposite gender, then it is impermissible for them to even marry. All of this is completely opposite of the nonsense cooked up under the guise of 'transgender'.

 

[Divergent]

Your social and cultural leanings.

I never said such ambiguity doesn't exist. What I did say is that Islam requires people to make one choice and stick with it for the rest of their lives. They are allowed to undergo an operation if it is needed. But, after making their choice, they are not called transgender. They are treated as male/female per their choice. If they aren't able to provide marital rights on the marital bed to a person of opposite gender, then it is impermissible for them to even marry. All of this is completely opposite of the nonsense cooked up under the guise of 'transgender'.

But some people can’t afford operations? Society shuns them away? Circumstancial allowances are acceptable and acknowledged

 

[CriticalThought]

But some people can’t afford operations? Society shuns them away? Circumstancial allowances are acceptable and acknowledged

No they are not. If someone doesn't have the money to seek treatment for cancer, it doesn't mean they are allowed to eat poison and commit suicide.

 

[Divergent]

No they are not. If someone doesn't have the money to seek treatment for cancer, it doesn't mean they are allowed to eat poison and commit suicide.

If someone isn’t educated about their own sexuality and it is still anonymous to them then that’s their preogrative. It doesn’t fall under wrong. Circumstantial allowances are acceptable and I refuse what you say.

 

[CriticalThought]

If someone isn’t educated about their own sexuality and it is still anonymous to them then that’s their preogrative. It doesn’t fall under wrong. Circumstantial allowances are acceptable and I refuse what you say.

Well, I categorically rubbish the entire Western propaganda about 'Transgender' and I am informing everyone that it is just sugar coating to promote homosexuality.

As for not being educated about one's own sexuality, well, these abnormalities are already identified at birth. Which is why the sex of the baby is noted at the time of birth. This whole 'concern' is fake, just like so many other fake 'concerns' that are expressed to propagate a false agenda. For example, the 'concern' that pregnancy in young teenage promiscuous girls is an illness that can be cured. So, there was a case, where a 14 years old girl gave birth in a toilet, killed the baby, stuffed it in a bag along with a teddy bear, and perfumed it. And the judge simply let her go saying she is completely innocent. Innocent, my twice dung smeared soles on 10 year old hiking boots. The wh*re wasn't so innocent when she was fu*king her boyfriend, but she is innocent when killing a helpless baby? This perversion of basic humanity is advanced by brain washed people like yourself and happily accepted by the uneducated masses.

 

[nana41]

Not really. Both are mutations. Both should be considered the same. You can't "inherit" being a transgender. Call a spade a spade

....how about biologically mutated?

 

[The Diplomat]

@Divergent I feel a bit ‘stupid’ asking the following questions however I’m very uneducated on this topic... Would appreciate your input.

To my understanding transgenders are born the way they are due to biological problems.
Are there more than the average amount of transgender people in Pakistan compared to other countries? Because I don’t really see such topics in the UK. I have seen a few transgender people in Pakistan... To my understanding people call them to celebrate when a child is born? That seems a little weird.

 

[Hamza913]

Not really. Both are mutations. Both should be considered the same. You can't "inherit" being a transgender. Call a spade a spade

You choose to have intercourse with a guy. You don't choose to be born a tranny.

So yes, one is a choice, one is something you're stuck with.

However, anyone who's transgender should act like the gender they are most similar to.

 

[TheLahoriGuy]

You choose to have intercourse with a guy. You don't choose to be born a tranny.

So yes, one is a choice, one is something you're stuck with.

However, anyone who's transgender should act like the gender they are most similar to.

How do you know they choose, did you ask them ? Maybe they are just attracted to other men like we are attracted to women.

 

[Clutch]

Not really. Both are mutations. Both should be considered the same. You can't "inherit" being a transgender. Call a spade a spade

Ever met someone with both sexual organs? How can you oppress them for the biology they are not responsible for?

Biologically transg3nder where there is confusion on sex I have no issues with but men dressed as women well that will be a big problem even for the Saudis

That is between God and them... Civilized Societies do not check under the skirt to confirm genetics.

Islam DOES NOT recognize any such 'disorders'. If someone has a defect, they are required to choose the gender that is most pertinent for their condition. If they are equally possible, then on or the other gender must be chosen and the rest of the life is spent accordingly. They are either a male or a female. No such thing as transgender.

Transgender is an 'innovation' that allows for 'gender fluidity', and arbitrary selection of gender based on personal choice rather than physical ability. This is a disgusting practice. In Islam, if someone is unable to fulfil the marital right of their partner, it is HARAM for them to marry at all. Whereas 'transgender' allows for homosexual intercourse.

This is a total mockery of Islam and even basic human decency.

Islam must recognize it because it exists... There is no denying it. There are many transgender people who are born with the physical and biological traits of the opposite sex.

They are made by God that way and we are not the executioners of them.

 

[TheLahoriGuy]

Ever met someone with both sexual organs? How can you oppression them for the biology they are not responsible for?

I'm probably the last person who would oppress them. I'm just saying the same judgement can be made about homosexuals, they don't give the natural reaction they are supposed to around women instead its there around men. Its part of their biology.