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In 7 years, the China's story is over

Fears in China rise as country hits "Lewis Point"


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China’s vast reserve of cheap workers in the hinterland is vanishing at a vertiginous pace.

Another seven years or so - enough to buoy global coal, crude, and copper prices for a while - but then it will all be over – the demographic dividend will be exhausted. Beijing revealed last week that the country’s working age population has already begun to shrink, sooner than expected. It will soon go into “precipitous decline”, according to the International Monetary Fund.

Japan hit this inflexion point fourteen years ago, but by then it was already rich, with $3 trillion of net savings overseas. China has hit the wall a quarter century earlier in its development path.

The ageing crisis is well-known. It is already six years since a Chinese demographer shocked Davos with a warning that his country might have to resort to mass suicide in the end, shoving pensioners onto the ice.

Less known is the parallel - and linked - labour drain in the countryside. A new IMF paper - “Chronicle of a Decline Foretold: Has China Reached the Lewis Turning Point?” - says the reserve army of peasants looking for work peaked in 2010 at around 150 million. The numbers are now collapsing.

The surplus will disappear soon after 2020. A decade after that China will face a labour shortage of almost 140 million workers, surely the greatest jobs crunch ever seen. “This will have far-reaching implications for both China and the rest of the world,” said the IMF.

There is little Beijing can do to head off the shock. The effects of low fertility rates - and the one child policy - are already baked into the pie. It would take half a century to turn around the demographic supertanker.

The Lewis Point, named after St Lucia’s Nobel economist Arthur Lewis, is when the supply of workers dries up and city wages soar. It is when labour turns the tables on capital, and profits crash.

You could argue that such a process already well under way, and is why Chinese equities are trading at a third of their 2007 peak in real terms. Manufacturing pay has risen 16% a year over the last decade in the East Coast hubs of Shenzhen, Beijing, Shanghai and Tianjin, though this slowed sharply in 2012.

Boston Consulting Group says that “productivity-adjusted wages” were just 22% of US levels as recently as 2005. They will reach 43% by 2015, or 61% for the American South.

It is a key reason why General Electric, Ford, Caterpillar and others are “re-shoring” from China back to the US, though cheap shale gas, a weaker dollar, and shipping costs all play their part.

This is no bad thing. The world economy is rebalancing. China’s current account surplus has fallen from 10% of GDP to just 2.5%.

The Lewis Point is the great test for catch-up economies, when they can no longer rely on cheap labour, copied technology, and export-led growth to keep the game going.

George Magnus from UBS said investment made up 55% of all growth in 2012, and will soon have to reach 60% to keep up the pace. It is becoming unhinged, a sort of Ponzi scheme.
The boom is rotating, of course, which makes it harder to read. The epicentre is moving west, deep into the Upper Yangtze and heartland regions holding 700 million people.
The Sichuan capital of Chengdu is completing the world’s biggest building, a glass and steel pagoda. This will soon be eclipsed for sheer chutzpah by the world’s tallest tower in Changsha, to be erected in three months flat.

The balance sheets of China’s banks have been growing by over 30% of GDP a year since the Lehman crisis and are still growing at a 20%, wildly exceeding the safe speed limit.

Fitch Ratings said fresh credit added to the Chinese economy over the last four years has reached $14 trillion, if you include shadow banking, trusts, letters of credit and offshore vehicles. This extra blast of loan stimulus is roughly equal to the entire US commercial banking system.

The law of diminishing returns is setting in. The output generated by each extra yuan of lending has fallen from 0.8 to 0.35, according to Fitch.

Magnus said credit has reached 210% of GDP - far higher than other developing countries - and only half of new loans are “plain vanilla” under the full control of regulators.

How and when this will end is anybody’s guess. He fears a “Minsky Moment” when the investment bubble pops, as such bubbles always do.

My guess is that there is one last cycle of Chinese fever to enjoy -- if that is right word -- before the ageing crunch and the credit hangover combine with toxic effect.

One thing is for sure: a middle-income country with a shrinking work force is not about to displace the United States as global hegemon.

Daily Telegraph
 
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In 7 years, the China's story is over

Fears in China rise as country hits "Lewis Point"


07022013-md-main-13-15306-1-small.jpg


China’s vast reserve of cheap workers in the hinterland is vanishing at a vertiginous pace.

Another seven years or so - enough to buoy global coal, crude, and copper prices for a while - but then it will all be over – the demographic dividend will be exhausted. Beijing revealed last week that the country’s working age population has already begun to shrink, sooner than expected. It will soon go into “precipitous decline”, according to the International Monetary Fund.

Japan hit this inflexion point fourteen years ago, but by then it was already rich, with $3 trillion of net savings overseas. China has hit the wall a quarter century earlier in its development path.

The ageing crisis is well-known. It is already six years since a Chinese demographer shocked Davos with a warning that his country might have to resort to mass suicide in the end, shoving pensioners onto the ice.

Less known is the parallel - and linked - labour drain in the countryside. A new IMF paper - “Chronicle of a Decline Foretold: Has China Reached the Lewis Turning Point?” - says the reserve army of peasants looking for work peaked in 2010 at around 150 million. The numbers are now collapsing.

The surplus will disappear soon after 2020. A decade after that China will face a labour shortage of almost 140 million workers, surely the greatest jobs crunch ever seen. “This will have far-reaching implications for both China and the rest of the world,” said the IMF.

There is little Beijing can do to head off the shock. The effects of low fertility rates - and the one child policy - are already baked into the pie. It would take half a century to turn around the demographic supertanker.

The Lewis Point, named after St Lucia’s Nobel economist Arthur Lewis, is when the supply of workers dries up and city wages soar. It is when labour turns the tables on capital, and profits crash.

You could argue that such a process already well under way, and is why Chinese equities are trading at a third of their 2007 peak in real terms. Manufacturing pay has risen 16% a year over the last decade in the East Coast hubs of Shenzhen, Beijing, Shanghai and Tianjin, though this slowed sharply in 2012.

Boston Consulting Group says that “productivity-adjusted wages” were just 22% of US levels as recently as 2005. They will reach 43% by 2015, or 61% for the American South.

It is a key reason why General Electric, Ford, Caterpillar and others are “re-shoring” from China back to the US, though cheap shale gas, a weaker dollar, and shipping costs all play their part.

This is no bad thing. The world economy is rebalancing. China’s current account surplus has fallen from 10% of GDP to just 2.5%.

The Lewis Point is the great test for catch-up economies, when they can no longer rely on cheap labour, copied technology, and export-led growth to keep the game going.

George Magnus from UBS said investment made up 55% of all growth in 2012, and will soon have to reach 60% to keep up the pace. It is becoming unhinged, a sort of Ponzi scheme.
The boom is rotating, of course, which makes it harder to read. The epicentre is moving west, deep into the Upper Yangtze and heartland regions holding 700 million people.
The Sichuan capital of Chengdu is completing the world’s biggest building, a glass and steel pagoda. This will soon be eclipsed for sheer chutzpah by the world’s tallest tower in Changsha, to be erected in three months flat.

The balance sheets of China’s banks have been growing by over 30% of GDP a year since the Lehman crisis and are still growing at a 20%, wildly exceeding the safe speed limit.

Fitch Ratings said fresh credit added to the Chinese economy over the last four years has reached $14 trillion, if you include shadow banking, trusts, letters of credit and offshore vehicles. This extra blast of loan stimulus is roughly equal to the entire US commercial banking system.

The law of diminishing returns is setting in. The output generated by each extra yuan of lending has fallen from 0.8 to 0.35, according to Fitch.

Magnus said credit has reached 210% of GDP - far higher than other developing countries - and only half of new loans are “plain vanilla” under the full control of regulators.

How and when this will end is anybody’s guess. He fears a “Minsky Moment” when the investment bubble pops, as such bubbles always do.

My guess is that there is one last cycle of Chinese fever to enjoy -- if that is right word -- before the ageing crunch and the credit hangover combine with toxic effect.

One thing is for sure: a middle-income country with a shrinking work force is not about to displace the United States as global hegemon.

Daily Telegraph

I don't think it will be ALL OVER, but surely will not have the growth trance as of now. And most definitely will not be a double digit growth as they are used to be. The market is too big to collaspe now, unless china stay as is for the next 10 or 15 years, a broken down of Economy will not happen
 
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Gordon Chang has been saying that for the past 10 years.....................................The assumption that the current policies or any trend will hold for the next 5 to 10 years is simply irrational.
 
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I don't think it will be ALL OVER, but surely will not have the growth trance as of now. And most definitely will not be a double digit growth as they are used to be. The market is too big to collaspe now, unless china stay as is for the next 10 or 15 years, a broken down of Economy will not happen

may be ...but the points highlighted in the article can not be ruled out either! China's is not tech,patent or minerls driven economy, they have acheived this using the cheap hands of poor and by raising the volume of production....if the hands are not available and that too at cheap rates, then definately china is going to suffer!
 
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huh, interesting words from a person comes from a nation full of even cheaper hands, but what happens to your economy?
may be ...but the points highlighted in the article can not be ruled out either! China's is not tech,patent or minerls driven economy, they have acheived this using the cheap hands of poor and by raising the volume of production....if the hands are not available and that too at cheap rates, then definately china is going to suffer!
 
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huh, interesting words from a person comes from a nation full of even cheaper hands, but what happens to your economy?

the article is abt your country...so as usual dont try to dreail the things and try to save your face!!

Regarding cheap hands in my country, as we do have them in ample but we dont want to use them like chinese...we would prefer to have one egg a day than all eggs at once..
 
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lol, what a bunch of losers. how about just work hard for your country instead of dreaming story over of others.

Pople like to dig some bad fiction story to make them feel good know that they're so desperated...LMAO, I don't need to describe more of these people, Dalai Lama don't hold high on his opinion about these people neither.

Dalai Lama calls Indians lazy - Indian Express
 
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Yeah sure, get one and take two, that's pretty smart!
btw, would you mind telling me about how you indians use your cheapest hands?
the article is abt your country...so as usual dont try to dreail the things and try to save your face!!

Regarding cheap hands in my country, as we do have them in ample but we dont want to use them like chinese...we would prefer to have one egg a day than all eggs at once..
 
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had to happen someday.this will happen with india too someday.maybe 30-40 yrs down the line,when our population stabilises. china may reconsider the one child policy now.
 
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Some people can never understand the Chinese psyche. We are very hard working industrial people. With better technology and more training, our work efficiency will surpass those in U.S. Our wages are still at lower end, considering how efficient our work force has been. Plus, China can sustain itself with its internal market as long as technology improves efficiency. The service sector is also a huge potential in the East China that can be tapped while more industrial production move westward.

Also there is strong underlying pent up demands for more kids among ordinary citizens. As soon as the one child policy is softened, people will have more kids. The Chinese are very different with respect to family lines, continuity of family name. It might be a mystery for others to under why Chinese families care so much about offspring. To quote a Confucius teaching: Among the three unfilial sins, the most egregious is having no male offspring.
 
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I heard the same story with much stronger arguement for at least 2 decades,and similiar "research" comes out with the same "prediction"once every 2-3 month during the last 2 decades,it seems like some "scholars"are very persistent,I hipe they can see what they predicted happens in their life time,otherwise that'll be a very big letdown.
 
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China will continue to grow , albeit slowly than the past decade in percentage terms as their economy size is massive but the story is not over , not yet and not in foreseeable future .
 
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