In 1916, Ota Benga, an African native who suffered inhumane treatment by being kept in a zoo, committed suicide.

[villageidiot]

CIA trolls literally defending the African slave trade.


You can't make this stuff up.

They'll tell you it's okay since the slaves were originally caught by other africans and not the white people themselves.

I am not even kidding. This is legit the argument I had thrown at me.

@Valar. this is about that thread where stephen, the house nigger was justifying torture saying US was blameless because it didn't catch the people it tortured in the first place and merely "took charge" from host countries (i don't remember the exact words)

I never called him a house n- word dude, I just used picture of Stephen from Django as a reference to describe his behavior when he said and I quote "I am a mere observer of events in an area of the world that remains a concern for the civilized world"

And you know anyone with a half a brain can understand what he was saying and how it's highly disrespectful

I know bro. But, we all meant the same thing, didn't we?
That joke was made for the guy, I swear. Fits like Cinderella's shoe. No one else but him

 

[villageidiot]

@Valar. I was reading some earlier posts in the thread, your original comment has been deleted.
Happened to me once when talking about the same person. Pretty benign comment. Got deleted. no notification.

Now, I am not sure if you deleted it or if this happened.

 

[Valar.]

@Valar. I was reading some earlier posts in the thread, your original comment has been deleted.
Happened to me once when talking about the same person. Pretty benign comment. Got deleted. no notification.

Now, I am not sure if you deleted it or if this happened.

I deleted it myself. Don't wanna engage that low life guy, neither him nor the other Nathu Ram guy pretending to be American with shitty English.

 

[KaiserX]

ota benga ota benga ota benga

ota benga ota benga ota benga

They are still more civilized and at peace than cow muttar drinkers

 

[villageidiot]

I deleted it myself. Don't wanna engage that low life guy,

Good decision. I made the same. Just make sure that he feels welcome here every once in while. The guy gets off by trying to be edgy and contrarian and feeling superior. That's not healthy so it's should be tempered once in a while and we should all help our fellow Pakistani (he probably hates that he is Pakistani and will never be as great as the great white man )

neither him nor the other Nathu Ram guy pretending to be American with shitty English.

Lol, I use the exact same name (Nathu Ram ) for that guy. Gangu larpers are so pathetic. At least, try to get good at larping if you have no other hobbies.

 

[Tom-tom]

I doubt most take it to the level whites took it. In the modern age, that is. Did south indians cage and exhibit northerners?

Actually, an African , slave was a trusted civil servant. Brought over by the Arabs.
He became general, then later became one of South India or all of South Asia most powerful rulers. He defeated countless of euros.

Also yeh, when Arabs crossed Malis in malis native area, yeh Arabs did bad stuff we all do bad stuff . How ever when Arabs left them they made sure they were some of the most educated and therefore some respected minds in the world.

A Mali that has successfully studied. Could speak, read and write 10 languages. Could multiple currency exchanges in their mind with out paper.

They were very good with mathematics that was used for navigation, were a skilled euro would really struggle.

I think I seen somewhere stated that some malis had some mathematical volumes virtually memorised in their heads

 

[Tom-tom]

Actually, an African , slave was a trusted civil servant. Brought over by the Arabs.
He became general, then later became one of South India or all of South Asia most powerful rulers. He defeated countless of euros.

Also yeh, when Arabs crossed Malis in malis native area, yeh Arabs did bad stuff we all do bad stuff . How ever when Arabs left them they made sure they were some of the most educated and therefore some respected minds in the world.

A Mali that has successfully studied. Could speak, read and write 10 languages. Could multiple currency exchanges in their mind with out paper.

They were very good with mathematics that was used for navigation, were a skilled euro would really struggle.

I think I seen somewhere stated that some malis had some mathematical volumes virtually memorised in their heads

Also it was a bengali Siddi from Chittagong/chatogram that was abducted by euro pirates doing a raid in that area. He was very fortunate , that he was nurtured to be clever little guy in his home land Chittagong.

Wikipedia does not him justice, he basically saw his chance and instigated the French revolution. Became one of the leading judges, when all failed he was a militant leader.

This would have never have happend unless he was given the skills he needed from his homeland.

basically for most of us in the west especially that are poc's or Muslims. Have to work exceedingly hard get anywhere. If you don't have a sliver spoon in your mouth than tough luck they are throw and trip you up any chance they get. They even try their best to stop you.

 

[jhungary]

Racism still exists in the American justice system. On native American tribal lands women children have been picked up trafficked raped killed by non natives and America does not allow the natives to prosecute non natives. They can only prosecute the natives that live there. The American justice system don't see the natives justice as being developed or fair. Many drug dealers and criminals have taken advantage as they can't be prosecuted by American law if they are caught doing something illegal on native lands. This is racial discrimination which needs to end. I was surprised when I heard about this.

That is not about racism, this is about jurisdictional issue.

City cop cannot investigate crime off reservation, and vice versa, that is the incorporated part of US justice system, in fact, unlike most Law Enforcmeent in the world, US Law Enforcement system are very fragmented, LEO from one city is bounded by that city only, they have no policing power outside that city limit, even if they are in the same county or state. And every prosecution can only be done by local authority unless said authority gave up their right to prosecute.

I used to be a PA Cop, my jurisdiction is within the boundary of Philidelphia. I cannot go to the neighbour city and arrest people, even if that was my case, say I have a rape suspect done a crime in Philadelphia and went to Chester (Which is around 10 mile from Philly), I cannot go to Chester and arrest him, I need to have him brought to me by Chester PD, and Chester cannot prosecute him because the crime was done on Philly, not Chester.

County Sheriff have jurisdiction across the entire County (only incorporated part) State Police have the jurisdiction of the entire State and Federal Law Enforcement (DEA, FBI and so on) have jurisdiction across the entire country, but that is still more complicated than you would think. Because FBI only have jurisdiction if a crime crossed state lines, o0r are federal mandated crime (like terrorist attack, bank robberies and kidnapping)

On the other hand, Native have autonomous status, they are largely independent to the rest of the country, they police their own people, other country cop or state cop have no say inside a reservation, it's like a country within the US and Reversation cop have no say outside Reversation due to jurisdictional issue I just explained.

Tribal sovereignty in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yeah, very prevalent to this day. In fact, you won't have to scroll too much in this thread to see that complex.


Wth, the way you put it, is that codified? or subtle like most racism in the US?

See my reply

 

[lightning F57]

That is not about racism, this is about jurisdictional issue.

City cop cannot investigate crime off reservation, and vice versa, that is the incorporated part of US justice system, in fact, unlike most Law Enforcmeent in the world, US Law Enforcement system are very fragmented, LEO from one city is bounded by that city only, they have no policing power outside that city limit, even if they are in the same county or state. And every prosecution can only be done by local authority unless said authority gave up their right to prosecute.

I used to be a PA Cop, my jurisdiction is within the boundary of Philidelphia. I cannot go to the neighbour city and arrest people, even if that was my case, say I have a rape suspect done a crime in Philadelphia and went to Chester (Which is around 10 mile from Philly), I cannot go to Chester and arrest him, I need to have him brought to me by Chester PD, and Chester cannot prosecute him because the crime was done on Philly, not Chester.

County Sheriff have jurisdiction across the entire County (only incorporated part) State Police have the jurisdiction of the entire State and Federal Law Enforcement (DEA, FBI and so on) have jurisdiction across the entire country, but that is still more complicated than you would think. Because FBI only have jurisdiction if a crime crossed state lines, o0r are federal mandated crime (like terrorist attack, bank robberies and kidnapping)

On the other hand, Native have autonomous status, they are largely independent to the rest of the country, they police their own people, other country cop or state cop have no say inside a reservation, it's like a country within the US and Reversation cop have no say outside Reversation due to jurisdictional issue I just explained.

I have no issue with what you wrote, me and many other sane people would ask why cant the Natives on their land/jurisdiction punish non-natives on their land who commit serious crimes such as drugs, rape, murder. The legal system is discriminating against the natives, if a native commits an offense outside of their jurisdiction you can expect the law of that state to punish him/her not send him/her to their reservation to get punished.

 

[jhungary]

I have no issue with what you wrote, me and many other sane people would ask why cant the Natives on their land/jurisdiction punish non-natives on their land who commit serious crimes such as drugs, rape, murder. The legal system is discriminating against the natives, if a native commits an offense outside of their jurisdiction you can expect the law of that state to punish him/her not send him/her to their reservation to get punished.

Maybe I am not clear in what I wrote

US, as a country, have 6 different jurisdictions. They are

1. Federal
2. State
3. Tribal (Indian Reservation)
4. County
5. Local
6. Military

The example I use (PA and Chester) is to demonstrate how independent in one single jurisdiction, which is local (Both PA and Chester are on local jurisdiction). Reservation belongs to Tribal Jurisdiction, which mean they have their own set of law

What you are saying happened not because they are of different race, it was because they are of different jurisdiction, the same can be say with respect to different jurisdiction within the 6, for example, A soldier committed a crime outside of a Military base (again, say off base housing in Philidelphia) PPD cannot touch him, he is NOT of our jurisdiction because he is a member of the military, hence his is under Military Jurisdiction, and I, not as a member of the military but as a detective of PPD, can only arrest him on behalf of the Military Police, I can't touch him, nor charge him and PA court cannot prosecute him, only MP can arrest him,. UCMJ can prosecute him and JAG can charge him, not because of his race, but because it was not in the right jurisdiction.

The same would happen if I tried to execute a Federal Warrant as a PPD officer, or an FBI Agent tried to execute a county bench warrant in a county jurisdiction, they would just tell me to F off.....

The question you probably wanted to ask is why they listed Tribal as a separate jurisdiction with this compromise, the root cause? I don't know, I wasn't involved in the formation of Tribal Sovereignty back in 1800s, what I know is that Federal Government offered to the tribal to extend their Federal Jurisdiction toward Tribal land in order to protect them better after the Sam Sixkiller incident, the Tribal land refused that offer and keep it separate, the only thing US Government can do is to include as many as possible. Which mean they put Federal Law Enforcment as a liaison to the Tribal Law enforcement and elevate Tribal Law Enforcment officer into Federal Standard (ie any crime committed against a tribal officer would be the same as committed against a Federal LEO like FBI Agent or DEA Agent) but common Tribal people aren't covered in this.

 

[Mentee]

They're much nicer in their methods, many put goras on a pedestal.. a skin tone, colour to aspire to.

There was much backlash some years ago about "Fair and lovely" brightening/whitening cream ads... ki shaadi ni ho ree, job ni mil ree, parents bhi full pareshaan, ladki bhi full depressed... until she uses this cream, becomes fair and lovely, gets a handsome man, her dream job, and mummy papa are also so happy and proud.

lol

Pretty much same like those charity adds different ngo's running these days in Pakistan with a very strong class conscious content. But charity for what?

"M doctor bn k logo'n ki khidmat kro ga "

Roughly translates to "So that I could serve people after becoming a doctor".


Can't you serve people before becoming a doc or by not becoming a doc at all or by being any average Joe ?

 

[lightning F57]

The question you probably wanted to ask is why they listed Tribal as a separate jurisdiction with this compromise, the root cause? I don't know, I wasn't involved in the formation of Tribal Sovereignty back in 1800s, what I know is that Federal Government offered to the tribal to extend their Federal Jurisdiction toward Tribal land in order to protect them better after the Sam Sixkiller incident, the Tribal land refused that offer and keep it separate, the only thing US Government can do is to include as many as possible. Which mean they put Federal Law Enforcment as a liaison to the Tribal Law enforcement and elevate Tribal Law Enforcment officer into Federal Standard (ie any crime committed against a tribal officer would be the same as committed against a Federal LEO like FBI Agent or DEA Agent) but common Tribal people aren't covered in this.

Statistically speaking native women are more abused than any other ethnic groups in the states because of these broken laws. You say its not down to racism but i think that plays a part, so does discrimination unconscious bias and people not caring to pursue and prosecute cases. If a native american steps out of their reservation and commits a crime, they would be punished by the state not sent back to their reservation to be punished. So why is the military solider who might go on a shooting spree in the reservation or non-native whos killed somone be sent to the state or military base for prosecution but not the native to their reservation? that is clearly discrimination within your laws.

 

[jhungary]

Statistically speaking native women are more abused than any other ethnic groups in the states because of these broken laws. You say its not down to racism but i think that plays a part, so does discrimination unconscious bias and people not caring to pursue and prosecute cases. If a native american steps out of their reservation and commits a crime, they would be punished by the state not sent back to their reservation to be punished. So why is the military solider who might go on a shooting spree in the reservation or non-native whos killed somone be sent to the state or military base for prosecution but not the native to their reservation? that is clearly discrimination within your laws.

Well, traditionally, smaller PD have a hard time to deal with crime because there are just limited resource you can make do with.

If you ask me were there any racial discrimination against the native? Sure, same as any racial discrimination against Black, Asian, South Asian, Eskimo and so on. The problem is this is the "Broken" system they choose, and as per Tribal Sovereignty act, there aren't anything anyone can do except for the Tribal people. If you want me to guess, that is because they wanted to maintain their sovereignty. And if you do, compromise will have to be made, and one of them is that Tribal Law only would be applied to Tribal member, as much as Military Law only applies to Military member, and State Law only applies to that State. That's the compromise, just that this time it's not a whole group of people defined by occupation, or residential status, this time this is defined by the group of people of different background (wouldn't call native Indian a race to begin with as they are actually of different race but that's another story

As for this part

So why is the military solider who might go on a shooting spree in the reservation or non-native whos killed somone be sent to the state or military base for prosecution but not the native to their reservation? that is clearly discrimination within your laws.

Again, this is because of a jurisdiction, it wouldn't be racially motivated if a soldier would go into town, ANY town and shoot up that town and that particular town would not have jurisdiction to prosecute him, not just in any native land.

You want a separate jurisdiction, then YOU CAN'T CONTROL whatever outside your jurisdiction, that's not a racist policy, I mean, if the Tribal people give up their tribal jurisdiction and the Federal standard applies to them, then all that you want can come true, people regardless whether or not they are native could be prosecuted for crimes they committed in native land, but you cannot keep your own jurisdiction and prosecute others, then you can't have the cake and eat it. I don't see how this is a racial thing.

 

[lightning F57]

Well, traditionally, smaller PD have a hard time to deal with crime because there are just limited resource you can make do with.

If you ask me were there any racial discrimination against the native? Sure, same as any racial discrimination against Black, Asian, South Asian, Eskimo and so on. The problem is this is the "Broken" system they choose, and as per Tribal Sovereignty act, there aren't anything anyone can do except for the Tribal people. If you want me to guess, that is because they wanted to maintain their sovereignty. And if you do, compromise will have to be made, and one of them is that Tribal Law only would be applied to Tribal member, as much as Military Law only applies to Military member, and State Law only applies to that State. That's the compromise, just that this time it's not a whole group of people defined by occupation, or residential status, this time this is defined by the group of people of different background (wouldn't call native Indian a race to begin with as they are actually of different race but that's another story

As for this part



Again, this is because of a jurisdiction, it wouldn't be racially motivated if a soldier would go into town, ANY town and shoot up that town and that particular town would not have jurisdiction to prosecute him, not just in any native land.

You want a separate jurisdiction, then YOU CAN'T CONTROL whatever outside your jurisdiction, that's not a racist policy, I mean, if the Tribal people give up their tribal jurisdiction and the Federal standard applies to them, then all that you want can come true, people regardless whether or not they are native could be prosecuted for crimes they committed in native land, but you cannot keep your own jurisdiction and prosecute others, then you can't have the cake and eat it. I don't see how this is a racial thing.

Im not an expert in american law, even basic law but to me it comes across discriminatory and racist. I am also not the only person to see it this way, within the US you have political leaders like senator James lankford calling it racist, you have scholarly articles written by universities there calling the language of the federal american indian law as racist. There are numerous non profit charities which call it the same. The root cause of the issues come back to the law and how its not changed to address the issue. The natives 150 years ago might have not wanted federal laws covering their reservations but that was along time ago. There are loop holes in the law which have made one community vulnerable vs another.

 

[jhungary]

Im not an expert in american law, even basic law but to me it comes across discriminatory and racist. I am also not the only person to see it this way, within the US you have political leaders like senator James lankford calling it racist, you have scholarly articles written by universities there calling the language of the federal american indian law as racist. There are numerous non profit charities which call it the same. The root cause of the issues come back to the law and how its not changed to address the issue. The natives 150 years ago might have not wanted federal laws covering their reservations but that was along time ago. There are loop holes in the law which have made one community vulnerable vs another.

You can call it whatever you want. I mean if you found that racist, then you will call it racist, I am just saying on a LEO perspective, this is what Jurisdictional issue mean. You can still call it racist, as much as anything else even after I tried to explain why this happen the way it happens.

There are ALWAYS loophole in law, pistol brace and the entire bankruptcy system in the US are one giant legal loophole, but at the end of the day, Native have had a choice, and they choose this, as I said, you want a separated law from the law of the land, then there are always going to be limitation you need to follow. On the other hand, would it be fair for the other side if the Native can have the cake and eat it? What next then? Should State now able to snoop into Federal Affair and vice versa because now the Native can do it outside their jurisdiction? How about we abolish the entire State v Federal affair next? How about we abolish the entire constitution next because in this perceived "racial injustice" because the Tribal people sign a treaty with the US government back in the 1800s to give up their own right in order to maintain their sovereignty??

I mean isn't that clear? Either we are all Federal Subject and then have the same law applies to each one of us, or we keep our different tier of jurisdiction and each one does not encroach the other within the 6, but you can't applies your own jurisdiction toward others. I mean you can't cry foul when you have exclusive jurisdiction to your people in your land. That would mean you don't have jurisdiction outside of those scope. This is not about racial motivation, this is about fairness and jurisprudence.