Imran Khan's Fresh Audio Leak with Congresswoman Maxine Moore Waters

[Mrc]

This guy will sell his own mother for power
1 million times over

 

[Neelo]

This is not diplomacy. This is basically inviting USA to pressurize Pakistani army to back off. The same USA that is keen to denuclearize Pakistan army hence the long game which has backfired.

For the same reasons people complained about Nawaz Sharif wanting to denuclearize for better economy and pleasing USA cannot be blind when it comes to khan who is proving to be opportunistic like Nawaz Sharif at the expense of Pakistan.

Internal matters is one thing but compromising and requesting to pressurize Pakistan establishment to do one bidding? That is dangerous precedent if employed which will hurt Pakistan in the long run.

Finally a sane comment.

 

[Jaeger]

People on PDF don't know how diplomacy works. All of you criticizing IK for an unconfirmed audio tape, probably still get your mother's to make your doctor's appointments for you.

Grow up and learn what geopolitics and diplomacy are.

This is neither Geopolitics nor Diplomacy .

It is just pure politics and propaganda.

Propaganda in politics is the art or making common people believe that your "narrative" is true. Even when it is total complete fake .

And Imran Khan is really good at it, not just because he is a good orator but because Pakistani people really want to believe him.

 

[FuturePAF]

Can't defend him....been saying from the beginning he is shooting himself in the foot. For the people who follow PTI like a cult, they won't care.

For those who think, this looks very bad and he's going to lose his intellectual followers if he keeps doing stupid stuff like this.

This guy was talking about how not to be beggars and have an equal relationship for the west, and here he is licking the feet of Americans.

Shameful.

Most people don’t want to go back to the way things were before IK came to power. Many don’t want him in power, but they don’t want what it was like what it was like before him. He has raised expectations, and wether anyone like it or not, the campaign to sideline him has made his name synonymous with Pakistan in global media and synonymous with popular political leader in domestic media coverage for over a year. It’s either Imran Khan or the economy, when anyone searches for Pakistan in international media, as Wajahat Khan points out in his recent vlog. IK also has the cache in the west and core constituencies domestically and in neighboring countries to complete foreign policy objects if thought out and implemented properly. Policies that are vital core interests of Pakistan, such as connectivity with Central Asia and increasing foreign trade with the west. People in the west know him on a first name basis, especially in the diaspora and amongst groups such as various Muslim counties and diasporas of the world.

1. He has been shedding his naïveté and begun to face the governing dynamics of Pakistani society, as they actually are, adjusting accordingly. Nothing new, he is always said to make u-turns, this is just one of them. But what this whole episodes also highlights is the limits of Pakistan’s civilian power and Pakistani democracy as a whole, not just for him. I would have hoped this impasse could’ve been resolved in house, but I fortunately this is what it has come down to.

2. The intellectuals are being driven onto his side, because of the limits of the Pakistan’s political system. I’m sure they will extract a political price if they openly side with him. But for genuine intellectuals they are two limited choices, the status quo or change. Intellectuals generally favor change in hopes it improves things.

Failure to provide adequate education for kids or create a stable domestic economy has left the country open to messiah figures. The system itself like quick fixes; economically or politically, so it won’t have to do structural reforms and give up some privileges and economic monopolies, but that leaves the door open to figures that promise to fix things without having to do all the needed reforms. The system is lucky that it’s a figure like IK, that gave the system a blank check the last go around and that has recently accepted he needs to work within the system, if he wants to achieve his agenda.

In reality it’s the system that will have to give up some of its privileges like elite capture, to attract FDI, in order to save itself in an evolving geopolitical and economic world.

IK back in power would just help save the image of the system and the image of Pakistan’s democracy. Pakistan can’t afford to have another coup or an election that people the world over know is rigged to bring in the PML-N or the PPP. Those, individuals such as member of the diaspora or institutions or nations will become more apathetic and are more likely to disengage with Pakistan, and letting it spiral further and emboldening Pakistan’s enemies; states and miscreants alike.

3. The importance of money is being even more apparent, and limits of Pakistan trying to get money from allies and partners. Foreign inflows are down $5 billion, in some part due to a drop in remittances. The diaspora is one major trump card in his corner. If he can cobble together a framework of reforms he would impose on his government, once back in power, along with a feasible diplomatic and economic plan, he maybe able to sway enough power brokers to back elections, allowing him to return to office.

 

[That Guy]

This is neither Geopolitics nor Diplomacy .

It is just pure politics and propaganda.

Propaganda in politics is the art or making common people believe that your "narrative" is true. Even when it is total complete fake .

And Imran Khan is really good at it, not just because he is a good orator but because Pakistani people really want to believe him.

That's not what propaganda means, but sure.

And while this is politics, I said geopolitics because of the greater relations between the US and Pakistan, and ignoring the nation to nation relations and links will have greater ramifications than just losing elections.

This is not diplomacy. This is basically inviting USA to pressurize Pakistani army to back off. The same USA that is keen to denuclearize Pakistan army hence the long game which has backfired.

For the same reasons people complained about Nawaz Sharif wanting to denuclearize for better economy and pleasing USA cannot be blind when it comes to khan who is proving to be opportunistic like Nawaz Sharif at the expense of Pakistan.

Internal matters is one thing but compromising and requesting to pressurize Pakistan establishment to do one bidding? That is dangerous precedent if employed which will hurt Pakistan in the long run.

Diplomacy is anything that involves lobbying, advocacy, and negotiation.

You're concern trolling here.

 

[Dalit]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659910550363553793

I would like to personally apologise to Gul Bukhari. She was right. We were wrong.

 

[That Guy]

Will that acid work?

Probably only once.

 

[Rank]

This is very very serious, just for local politics, PDM Govt and mil literally destroyed bacha kucha Pakistan's image @ international level. As Aitezaaz Ahsan said, the day Shahbaz Sharif or Rana Sanaullah or an attorney or anyone landed in the US for any reason, the US authorities will take them to court. These guys actually secretly recorded the US Congress official phone calls. damnnn.. these guys have no idea what are the repercussions of this in Western countries. Recording govt officials' phone is a serious serious crime in the world.

Maxine Waters is not a Senator. She plays the race card to get elected to the House from a district where less than 15% of the population is white. It is a sorry state of affairs if she is the best that the PTI can find to lobby their case with the State Department.

66 US Congress officials signed the letter to A. Blinkin... in which world you're living?

 

[Fish]

"We have had the worst crackdown in history."

-Imran Khan in the (alleged) audio leak

The attack on GHQ and other military installations could've been treated as a declaration of war against the State of Pakistan. Yet all our 'establishment' did was ban internet access and deploy paramilitary riot force to curb the quote/unquote "peaceful protests."

These traitors should feel lucky and grateful the military didn't unleash their battle tanks and fighter jets. They aren't just for show, after all.

As for this audio leak, create a civil war situation on one hand, while lick the boots of the Western powers on the other and whine about "human right."

I didn't hear him whining about muh 'human rights' back in 2018 when the military systemically started suppressing PMLN and PPP politicians, forcing them to forfeit their party membership and stand from either PTI's platform or as independents.

Same thing is happening now, albeit in reverse.

Enjoy the fall from grace.

 

[HAIDER]

Goes for 99% of Pakistani journalists. What amazes me is that we have utter imbeciles who cannot even get proper pronunciation of Urdu down (forget about angraizi) conducting talk shows with a background track that would beat CNN/MSNBC etc. Yet, the level of analysis and commentary is hideously bad, pathetically constructed and even more poorly communicated.

This is example of latest tweet from frontline govt minister....a wild use of English writing skills

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660291269216591872

 

[Finer]

That's not what propaganda means, but sure.

And while this is politics, I said geopolitics because of the greater relations between the US and Pakistan, and ignoring the nation to nation relations and links will have greater ramifications than just losing elections.


Diplomacy is anything that involves lobbying, advocacy, and negotiation.

You're concern trolling here.

That is not diplomatic. That is treason. Diplomatic missions is to better the relationship and improve the economy to serve each other's interest - not to entertain the enemy that wants to see Pakistan denuclearized and destroyed like Middle East at the bidding of Israel.

What Imran khan is doing fits the definition of trolling in terms of politics.

 

[Fasbre2]

This guy will sell his own mother for power
1 million times over

If you referring to Nawaz sharif, fully agree

 

[RashidKhanTheLegend]

Imran Khan is really an interesting personality

In 2013 era he did Anti drone rallies and became popular in KPK when Pervez Khan Khattak became CM
in 2018 he promised Riyasat e Madeena to placate Islamist vote
in 2022 he went to Moscow while Russia was invading -- IMO that was the worst optics which backfired on IK real bad

It is sure he has some kind of super-ego where he wants grandeur in every kind..

not necessarily bad but IK surely has built some strong cult

just like Modi...

Modi bhakts also will vote for him no matter how many U-turns he takes.
Modi said pehle shauchalay fir devalay (means first bathroom then temples)
still bhakts supported..

same is with IK

IK also has some extreme kinda bhakts..

 

[HAIDER]

Imran Khan is really an interesting personality

In 2013 era he did Anti drone rallies and became popular in KPK when Pervez Khan Khattak became CM
in 2018 he promised Riyasat e Madeena to placate Islamist vote
in 2022 he went to Moscow while Russia was invading -- IMO that was the worst optics which backfired on IK real bad

It is sure he has some kind of super-ego where he wants grandeur in every kind..

not necessarily bad but IK surely has built some strong cult

just like Modi...

Modi bhakts also will vote for him no matter how many U-turns he takes.
Modi said pehle shauchalay fir devalay (means first bathroom then temples)
still bhakts supported..

same is with IK

IK also has some extreme kinda bhakts..

You Indian see Pakistani politics through Indian telescope ... change your telescope to understand Pak politics.

 

[RashidKhanTheLegend]

You Indian see Pakistani politics through Indian telescope ... change your telescope to understand Pak politics.

Yes I agree my vision can tainted due to National/Ethnic considerations

however Bhakt culture is almost politically universal..
Dictators always cultivate their own cults

IK, Erdogan, Modi, Xi, Mao, Gaddafi.. You name it..