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Imran Khan supported PTM

Considering that the nation was declared failure at the end of Zardari ruling with billion dollars debts on the top of it.

With the borrowed money Nawaz Sharid invested on the military operation to CPEC, energy sectors, metro projects, and beyond which sets Pakistan to the right path from being officially bankrupt.

That is now being undone by his replacement who can’t even build simple metro project right never mind failure to lay the foundation for the economy to carry on from the position Nawaz Sharif left at.

That being said, Nawaz Sharif is not ideal example to commiserate but what does that say about Imran Khan then.
Expand on that, the projects he planted at the cost he planted and the kickback that him and his chalaiy took too! Tell me about saaf pani for example, or the solar plant! That is the success of mian.
 
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2 people who liked your comments are Nawaz's londay, just as you are

If likes are testament to the credibility of the members, then give it time. Even Reham Khan aka ex-wife of Imran khan came to other side.

Apart from the kidding, I don’t care if people like me or dislike me. I stand by what I have said. People which majority are Imranistan called me Jewish, Mossad agent, Taliban-hater, racist, and etc. That never stopped me from giving my opinions as I saw fits and that is not about to change anytime soon.
 
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Expand on that, the projects he planted at the cost he planted and the kickback that him and his chalaiy took too! Tell me about saaf pani for example, or the solar plant! That is the success of mian.

Google it. This debate has been done extensively on this topic in the last five years. Sorry if I can’t spoon feed you all the times. Read the economical articles. Google it.
 
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Google it. This debate has been done extensively on this topic in the last five years. Sorry if I can’t spoon feed you all the times. Read the economical articles. Google it.
But as an individual who has invested his finger in mian's hole. You should jump at the opportunity to perform as a trubedaor/minstrel for the accomplishments of your mian!!
 
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Every person, who comes into politics, essentially has ambitions, or one may call it "greed", for political power. It is almost universal and not some thing particular to IK.

Well-to-do people change, whenever necessity arises or they feel like, their cars, houses, employees etc. etc. So, if the Establishment changes its "puppets", from time to time, for whatever reason, what is the problem? The only problem with most of the common folks is that they have their liking for certain "puppets", and a disliking for others.

Main public cannot be dictated by main establishments all the times. We saw the results. Poor decision at 1965. Lost East Pakistan to Bangladesh. Almost lost Balochistan.

Then public are blamed for voting for the democratic elected leaders that are handed picked by main establishments. It is vicious cycles that always requires cleaning the mess.

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But as an individual who has invested his finger in mian's hole. You should jump at the opportunity to perform as a trubedaor/minstrel for the accomplishments of your mian!!

Judging by your tone, I am glad I didn’t waste my time on you considering you are too blinded and too irrational for the man who doesn’t even acknowledge his daughter on public never mind you.
 
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Main public cannot be dictated by main establishments all the times. We saw the results. Poor decision at 1965. Lost East Pakistan to Bangladesh. Almost lost Balochistan.

Then public are blamed for voting for the democratic elected leaders that are handed picked by main establishments. It is vicious cycles that always requires cleaning the mess.



Judging by your tone, I am glad I didn’t waste my time on you considering you are too blinded and too irrational for the man who doesn’t even acknowledge his daughter on public never mind you.
Yes neve mind me, I saw mian start his politics in Pakistan, I saw mian at his London flats in 1995. I met gongloo and aloo his thipper bachay when the tubbar was supposedly exiled too.

Indeed never mind me.
 
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Main public cannot be dictated by main establishments all the times. We saw the results. Poor decision at 1965. Lost East Pakistan to Bangladesh. Almost lost Balochistan.

Then public are blamed for voting for the democratic elected leaders that are handed picked by main establishments. It is vicious cycles that always requires cleaning the mess.

"Kahay Hussain faqeer saayin da
Takht na milday mangay"
(Shah Hussain Lahori)

"Koi kisi ko raaj na day hae
Jo lay hae, nij bal sit lay hae"
(Guru Gobind Singh)
 
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The very same person was allowed coverage by who? Establishment. The very same person is banned by who? Establishment.

Journalists job is to give coverage to people and hear their narrative. Doesn't mean they're traitors or anything. The same journalist gave coverage to Imran Khan every night on his show when he was standing up against military in Musharaff era.




True. Here's the actions i have seen from establishment. TTP was given more leniency than they deserved. Altaf Hussain was allowed to murder Pashtuns everyday in Karachi. This was going on for as long as i can remember. MQM power is still not gone, just reduced. Rao Anwar is given protection who is a killer for hire. Army breeded taliban terrorists and imposed them upon us. And army allowed Pashteen to continue their activities and get representation in parliament.

Actions are contradicting DG ISPR words.


I think as a citizen of Pakistan, i am free to have an opinion on what's going on without supporting either narrative on this. PTM are Pashtun people of Waziristan, a region which is the most oppressed and victim of military oppressions and misadventures. If Imran Khan can openly condemn the military war on terror and call it not ours without being a traitor or supporter of terrorist, i can do so too.

I will support army when they're fighting India and true enemies of Pakistan and support them blindly. But when they want to suppress its own people without giving them a chance to defend themselves and not giving us the courtesy to show us the proofs of Raw and NDS funding then sorry, you're just oppressors and i hate oppressors no matter who they're.

DG ISPR could dismantle the PTM propaganda by showing the proofs of raw/nds funding and the terrorist/traitor activities they've committed. A slogan of oppressed people against army isn't much to go on. If i was a Wazir and army obliterated my home, i will shout antiarmy slogans too not praise them for murdering my family.

Also notice the language of military in you. I can't be a neutral, i either support PTM or i condemn them. I either support army unconditionally or i condemn them unconditionally. That's not how humans work. I love my parents more than anything but i may not agree with some of their actions, doesn't mean i don't love them anymore. Too tired to give a better analogy but what i am trying to say is humans aren't black and white. They can have opinions without ever joining any cause. I love Pakistani army, i studied in army public schools and army youngsters played with us, laughed with us before the conditions detoriated. I hated the army superiors and even many of those youngsters hated army superiors who didn't agree with their decisions. Doesn't make them traitors. Doesn't make every army general bad. Some were really good people.



It was in reference to DG ISPR saying where was PTM when someone was playing with people's head in Karachi. I thought it was in reference to Uzair Baloch. Might get back to you on this later.



Now you're assuming things about me like you know me?

Here's the thing. To me, PMLN and PPP are the bigger traitors as they've brought Pakistan to its knee in front of the whole world whether you admit or not. Nawaz Sharif openly made traitorous statements and did marches against army. Zardari is a known money laundrer.

The army past is very colorful of being involved in terrorism itself. Who are Talibans really and who created them? Not PTM but the army. Who spilled Pashtun blood for America in Afghanistan twice? Once against Soviets and then against Americans.

It's good that army is cleaning up its act now but stop repeating the same mistakes.

The people of KPK may support you out of fear but try to judge what they feel when you've bombed their homes for America and then ignored them. They don't give a **** about fata merger, they want same prosperity that Punjabis enjoy in Pakistan, they want same treatment that they enjoy not being persecuted and considered terrorists.

Thanks to Allah, i was safe from all this and lived near an army cantt so no talibans bullshit and my homes were safe.

If PTM is gaining support in Waziristan and KPK and among Pashtuns and hatred from Punjabis and rest of Pakistan, this shows that army has weaknesses and there are suffering in those areas.

Show those Pathans of Waziristan proofs, prove PTM traitors instead of hurling accusations and strengthening their narrative. Giving one sided narrative and banning them when your past is dirty of giving coverage to terrorists furthers PTM.

People hated Talibans because they were oppressors, kidnappers and people were scared of them. PTM is a different ballgame. They're speaking the language of the people even if they're foreign funded.

I have lived near FATA areas btw and i am well aware of what people think. Even in my village, it was obvious that talibans are supported by military. People used to say don't bother with talibans or military, if you support military, talibans will know and murder your family. Don't support talibans, military will know and they will make you a missing person and brainwash you. Just let these two fight each others dirt. People like me couldn't wait to get out of this mess because one wrong move or statement and you could get wrath of either of those. Get rich and talibans abducted you. Get some connections and military wanted you to spy on talibans. It was a mess.

Within that long post, you have randomly made some tall claims about Pakistan bombing Pushtuns, about Pushtuns living with Pakistan out of fear, about Pakistan responsible for everything that has happened to Pushtuns from Swat to Herat. I pity your victim mentality. Looks like PTM is being successful in cultivating that Ethno-Facist poison within the youth there. Anyways regarding some of your points.

a) Pushtuns in Afghanistan were killed in the Soviet War under the Presidency of Najeeb (Pushtun Nationalist Hero) and are now being killed by the ANA under the Presidency of chief PTM mentor Ashraf Ghani(Pushtun Nationalist Hero).

b) MQM was what PTM is aspiring to be. An Ethno-Facist popular party with a militant wing. Dismantling it without the support of major political parties has been nothing short of extraordinary. All of the credit goes to the Army for that. ANP was part of the coalition government that included MQM. There have now been contacts between MQM-London and PTM.

c) At its peak the TTP had 25,000 foot soldiers, 15000 of them came from the Mehsud tribe including all its leadership at one point. These large figures from a single tribe indicate widespread acceptance of the TTP. Its not a coincidence the tribes responsible for spreading the TTP fitna are now spearheading the PTM fitna too. There was support for TTP in Waziristan and there is support for PTM in Waziristan.

d) Pushtuns have always hated Punjabis. This is not a new phenomenon. Unfortunate and maybe rooted because of historical reasons but nevertheless true.

e) Army was reluctant to take on the TTP because it was deeply entrenched within the Waziristani tribes( refer to point c). It knew once the dust settles after the operation, the knives would be out accusing it of just bombing homes.
 
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If likes are testament to the credibility of the members, then give it time. Even Reham Khan aka ex-wife of Imran khan came to other side.

Apart from the kidding, I don’t care if people like me or dislike me. I stand by what I have said. People which majority are Imranistan called me Jewish, Mossad agent, Taliban-hater, racist, and etc. That never stopped me from giving my opinions as I saw fits and that is not about to change anytime soon.

Just want to set the record straight. I am not a Nawaz londa, on the contrary i was a Youthia before elections preaching about Khan and criticising Nawaz everyday. I hated him.

After elections and seeing the tabdeeli, i was in depression over who have i voted for when i have never voted before in my life especially when Shobaz was made PAC chairman, the cold-hearted way Imran dealt with Sahiwal incident and several Uturns and broken promises.

I liked your posts because i agree economy was much better a year ago, despite the corruption, there was growth in economy. Now go to the market, you can see what the honest government has done to it. I also agree about your establishment statement after how DG ISPR press conference commenting on political issues that aren't his to deal with and education changes and using words like state. Shows who's running the government.
 
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Just want to set the record straight. I am not a Nawaz londa, on the contrary i was a Youthia before elections preaching about Khan and criticising Nawaz everyday. I hated him.

After elections and seeing the tabdeeli, i was in depression over who have i voted for when i have never voted before in my life especially when Shobaz was made PAC chairman, the cold-hearted way Imran dealt with Sahiwal incident and several Uturns and broken promises.

I liked your posts because i agree economy was much better a year ago, despite the corruption, there was growth in economy. Now go to the market, you can see what the honest government has done to it. I also agree about your establishment statement after how DG ISPR press conference commenting on political issues that aren't his to deal with and education changes and using words like state. Shows who's running the government.

Depression . . Right! Fickle and short visioned just s bit then?

But these are quite typical attributes in many. Instant gratification is a rampant disease. Blindness is usually the result although grandeur of awareness comes with it too.

Chill out for a bit, read more opinions, read Quran with translation, and then reflect on everything including your life and what's going on around you.
 
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Within that long post, you have randomly made some tall claims about Pakistan bombing Pushtuns, about Pushtuns living with Pakistan out of fear, about Pakistan responsible for everything that has happened to Pushtuns from Swat to Herat. I pity your victim mentality. Looks like PTM is being successful in cultivating that Ethno-Facist poison within the youth there. Anyways regarding some of your points.

a) Pushtuns in Afghanistan were killed in the Soviet War under the Presidency of Najeeb (Pushtun Nationalist Hero) and are now being killed by the ANA under the Presidency of chief PTM mentor Ashraf Ghani(Pushtun Nationalist Hero).

b) MQM was what PTM is aspiring to be. An Ethno-Facist popular party with a militant wing. Dismantling it without the support of major political parties has been nothing short of extraordinary. All of the credit goes to the Army for that. ANP was part of the coalition government that included MQM. There have now been contacts between MQM-London and PTM.

c) At its peak the TTP had 25,000 foot soldiers, 15000 of them came from the Mehsud tribe including all its leadership at one point. These large figures from a single tribe indicate widespread acceptance of the TTP. Its not a coincidence the tribes responsible for spreading the TTP fitna are now spearheading the PTM fitna too. There was support for TTP in Waziristan and there is support for PTM in Waziristan.

d) Pushtuns have always hated Punjabis. This is not a new phenomenon. Unfortunate and maybe rooted because of historical reasons but nevertheless true.

e) Army was reluctant to take on the TTP because it was deeply entrenched within the Waziristani tribes( refer to point c). It knew once the dust settles after the operation, the knives would be out accusing it of just bombing homes.

A) Afghani Pashtuns and Pakistani are completely different tribes. Pakistani Pashtuns hate Afghanis.

B) PTM doesn't have a militant wing. Even the DG ISPR couldn't accuse PTM of ever hurting a single army person, just foreign funding. Foreign funding for what? Peaceful protests?

C) Who created TTP? Pakistani army with the blessing of America. TTP had soldiers from all over KPK, Mehsud is the dominant tribe of Waziristan. Waziristan is the most illiterate, backward of the whole Pakistan. What you're saying is akin to saying TTP had majority Pashtuns soldiers so Pashtuns are terrorists. Look at the origins of TTP and you will understand why Waziristan was their home.

There is support for PTM in Waziristan because they're the victims. Why would anyone in Peshawar care about PTM? We don't have any worries of landmines, missing persons, our homes are safe. There is a reason for PTM support and it shows that army isn't the saint they're portraying themselves to be, Waziri people have been wronged.

I have seen only one friend from Waziristan in my university days and we all mocked him for how backward and stupid he was. He looked at things different than we did. Back then, it was funny but now, i understand how much of a different world it was for him considering the backward shithole Waziristan was (2007-8).

E) Our army generals had a use for TTP and after the huge dollars inflow, they wanted to milk the Americans for dollars for as long as they could. Innocent lives were lost both of army and civilians for the billions of dollars that army generals ate. The people on the ground close to this shitshow knew what the army was doing.

Use your own logic. You have a huge amount of moola coming to eradicate a threat, if you eliminate it completely that money would stop. Drag it for as long as you can and make the threat even scarier and stronger. The civilians were the casualties.

This isn't a revelation. Ex intelligence and several high profile people have said the same thing over the years after retiring.

I can't help but think army has some use for PTM too. I just don't know what. Eradicating them is as easy as eating a cake. There won't be any backlash either.

DG ISPR just made a press conference to show PTM as a boogeyman. I have a feeling we will see soon what exactly is really going on and why the army won't eradicate PTM.

Depression . . Right! Fickle and short visioned just s bit then?

But these are quite typical attributes in many. Instant gratification is a rampant disease. Blindness is usually the result although grandeur of awareness comes with it too.

Chill out for a bit, read more opinions, read Quran with translation, and then reflect on everything including your life and what's going on around you.

Reading Holy Quran and the lives of Caliphs (RA) make me realise what a sham Imran Khan is selling people about Riasat e Medina. Did you know how much salary did Abu Baker Siddique (RA) took? Same as a poor worker even then he(RA) reduced it even further lest he was guilty of excess and haram.

I understand that kind of moral integrity and God-fearing men are hard to find, however, Imran Khan should stop selling Riasat e Medina when he can't even bother to visit the Quetta victims or condemn Sahiwal incident terrorists. Even the PM of New Zealand showed more humility than Khan has.

It's not an issue of instant gratification either. 1 year is more than enough time to see which direction the government is going.

Even Khan admitted yesterday that if we can reduce the loans from 30 to 20 then it will be a big achievement. What he will refuse to tell you is where are all the loans he took from several countries went and why is it that now corruption has stopped isn't the economy flourishing? Or why the Zardari cabinet is halal now when it was corrupt just a few years ago and why PTIs own are nowhere to be found anymore.
 
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realise what a sham Imran Khan is selling people about Riasat e Medina

That's the target he has set to achieve. It doesn't make one a sham.

I'm sure you've got goals and aspirations, so you are a sham too?

Please grow some sense. It's an expensive commodity but you need to invest in that.

1 year is more than enough time to see which direction the government is going.

And this just highlights a big problem in your brain's analytical processing. 1 year is 12 months and 12 does not equal 9! How old are you btw?

You are either stupid or intentional about this all.
 
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That's the target he has set to achieve. It doesn't make one a sham.

I'm sure you've got goals and aspirations, so you are a sham too?

Please grow some sense. It's an expensive commodity but you need to invest in that.



And this just highlights a big problem in your brain's analytical processing. 1 year is 12 months and 12 does not equal 9! How old are you btw?

You are either stupid or intentional about this all.

If i set some goal and do the opposite of that goal then nobody will believe me no matter how much i try to sell it. Say i want to lose fat but i still eat junk food and don't change my eating habits, you can give me 5 years and i will not change.

Goals require work towards them and changing your old habits. The bare minimum to acquire the goal of Riasat e Medina needs PTI to stop lying and calling it the sign of great leadership. People are still waiting for Faisal Vawdas 1 arab jobs. The next is creating humility and care of your people. Imran Khan hasn't condemned Sahiwal CTD terrorists much less visit the orphaned children.

Don't even get me started on rest of things, the actions of PTI are in contrast to Riasat e Medina. Riasat e Medina is in the opposite direction of where PTI is heading.

What's the difference between 9 and 1 year? Not much. Will 3 months make a difference when 9 months haven't? Psshhhh, keep fooling yourself. 4 years won't change a thing.

Sadly, this is how PTI supporters defend themselves, nitpicking the little details while ignoring the elephant in the room.

If tabdeeli was possible, Zardari and Nawaz Sharif would've brought tabdeeli. Imran Khan is borrowing their cabinet and selling tabdeeli.

Can fasli bater and lotas bring change? Funny enough, PTIs own people left, criticised and weren't given tickets.

Dharti sey fasli bateyroun ko bhagaien gey Zaalemoun ko Choroun ko louteroun ko bhagaien gey Poora karien gey sab nuqsaan Tum dekhna meri jaan Baney ga neya Pakistan
 
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If i set some goal and do the opposite of that goal then nobody will believe me no matter how much i try to sell it. Say i want to lose fat but i still eat junk food and don't change my eating habits, you can give me 5 years and i will not change.

Goals require work towards them and changing your old habits. The bare minimum to acquire the goal of Riasat e Medina needs PTI to stop lying and calling it the sign of great leadership. People are still waiting for Faisal Vawdas 1 arab jobs. The next is creating humility and care of your people. Imran Khan hasn't condemned Sahiwal CTD terrorists much less visit the orphaned children.

Don't even get me started on rest of things, the actions of PTI are in contrast to Riasat e Medina. Riasat e Medina is in the opposite direction of where PTI is heading.

What's the difference between 9 and 1 year? Not much. Will 3 months make a difference when 9 months haven't? Psshhhh, keep fooling yourself. 4 years won't change a thing.

Sadly, this is how PTI supporters defend themselves, nitpicking the little details while ignoring the elephant in the room.

If tabdeeli was possible, Zardari and Nawaz Sharif would've brought tabdeeli. Imran Khan is borrowing their cabinet and selling tabdeeli.

Can fasli bater and lotas bring change? Funny enough, PTIs own people left, criticised and weren't given tickets.

Dharti sey fasli bateyroun ko bhagaien gey Zaalemoun ko Choroun ko louteroun ko bhagaien gey Poora karien gey sab nuqsaan Tum dekhna meri jaan Baney ga neya Pakistan

There's no cure for fickle minded and hopelessness.
 
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) Afghani Pashtuns and Pakistani are completely different tribes. Pakistani Pashtuns hate Afghanis.

B) PTM doesn't have a militant wing. Even the DG ISPR couldn't accuse PTM of ever hurting a single army person, just foreign funding. Foreign funding for what? Peaceful protests?

C) Who created TTP? Pakistani army with the blessing of America. TTP had soldiers from all over KPK, Mehsud is the dominant tribe of Waziristan. Waziristan is the most illiterate, backward of the whole Pakistan. What you're saying is akin to saying TTP had majority Pashtuns soldiers so Pashtuns are terrorists. Look at the origins of TTP and you will understand why Waziristan was their home.

There is support for PTM in Waziristan because they're the victims. Why would anyone in Peshawar care about PTM? We don't have any worries of landmines, missing persons, our homes are safe. There is a reason for PTM support and it shows that army isn't the saint they're portraying themselves to be, Waziri people have been wronged.

I have seen only one friend from Waziristan in my university days and we all mocked him for how backward and stupid he was. He looked at things different than we did. Back then, it was funny but now, i understand how much of a different world it was for him considering the backward shithole Waziristan was (2007-8).

E) Our army generals had a use for TTP and after the huge dollars inflow, they wanted to milk the Americans for dollars for as long as they could. Innocent lives were lost both of army and civilians for the billions of dollars that army generals ate. The people on the ground close to this shitshow knew what the army was doing.

Use your own logic. You have a huge amount of moola coming to eradicate a threat, if you eliminate it completely that money would stop. Drag it for as long as you can and make the threat even scarier and stronger. The civilians were the casualties.

This isn't a revelation. Ex intelligence and several high profile people have said the same thing over the years after retiring.

I can't help but think army has some use for PTM too. I just don't know what. Eradicating them is as easy as eating a cake. There won't be any backlash either.

DG ISPR just made a press conference to show PTM as a boogeyman. I have a feeling we will see soon what exactly is really going on and why the army won't eradicate PTM.

You are shifting goal posts without actually addressing any of the points, I have raised.
The Afghan point was a retort to your baseless claim in the previous post of Pakistan responsible for what is happening to Pushtuns of Afghanistan. It is solely
Afghans themselves who have brought this upon themselves.

~I said PTM aspires to be MQM of the future. Altaf too started this way but Ethno-Facist organisations eventually turn to violent ways after consolidating some local support.

~Makeup your mind if you want the Army to crackdown on the PTM or not. If the Army does that, I am sure you will start new manjan of Army bulldozing a peaceful human rights organisation.

~There was delay in action against the TTP because of the blowback after the Red Mosque operation. Not only did the militants of TTP had strong local support but people living in other parts of Pakistan considered them misguided brothers. Army after Musharraf was at its lowest point when it comes to public perception. It couldn't risk further alienation.

~Your imaginations about Generals wanting to keep the tribal areas in perpetual conflict is just Manzoor Mehsud talking. Next post you are going to claim about Army responsible for APS just like those filthy PTM scumbags.
 
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