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Our intelligence knew all along what PTM was. Action should have been taken swiftly. Never too late though.
Imran Khan supported PTM
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Our intelligence knew all along what PTM was. Action should have been taken swiftly. Never too late though.
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Everyone knew about Altaf Scum too.
Killer Faryal Talpur and Zardari are well known too, with evidence and all that of the ordered murders.
PTM will be easier to put down than these.
Interesting though that Zardari and Billo met PTM scum today and announced full support to them.
So mainstreaming madrassahs is status quo?
Military establishment is not of the past. One of the generals lost two brothers in fight against TTP, and such people are driven to protect the country and don't give a damn about protecting corrupt scum from any section of the establishment.
Status quo has already broken. Part of establishment that want to keep it are being eradicated gradually. It can be done faster but that could lead to sanctions so the current system is being dragged to the nth degree until it completely collapses on itself.
I don't agree with this method, maybe because I have a ruthless streak but I do see the sense in this process.
So my stance has some truth in it. As usual, resort to comparison analysis based on certain factor where Nawaz Sharif did stabilize the economy at the worst time while Imran khan is throwing stable economy down the drain. That being said, Nawaz sharif is not leader which suggests doesn’t bode well for Imran Khan.
Main establishment needed puppet so they got it. Imran khan was greedy for power so I doubt he will do anything to risk the anger of main establishment provided he stays puppet as recommended.
Oh wow that is such a trump card, IK giving PTM a chance thinking to resolve their genuine grievances, how dare you try to resolve an issue.
On a personal note PTM should have been nipped in the bud, Mehmood Khan Achkzai is the real master mind here working on behest of NDS.
Time and time again the security establishment of Pakistan does not act in a timely manner and allow such cancers to not only develop but spread across the country. This is not the first time such a thing had occurred here, when will they learn their lesson that Pakistani Politicians can not be expected to show basic decency and take steps to safe guard interests of the country. They will always act against them. It would have been far easier to tackle PTM the moment they started, when it is clear that from day one security establishment knew of their backers. This is complete BS on their part.
As for Bilawal, all his grandstanding is to show the world look how brave of a leader I am, challenging all powerful Pakistani establishment, while conveniently forgetting that the world knows where the power centers in Pakistan are and they are the ones world likes to deal with. This chutiya Zardari part 2 is only decreasing his breathing space.
At times the passage in Pakistan: A Hard Country (By Anatol Lieven) comes to my mind, its something like this: In Pakistan the dictators like to act like democrats and the elected democrats like to act like dictators.
That is the crux of our problem, we need spring cleaning to get rid of these scums.
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The Public disposed off 2 dictators, it's pretty powerful I'd say. Just happens to be dumb.
Imran Khan won the elections fair and square, he had immense support from the youth of the nation and that's a fact that even I witnessed.
This was because he believed they had legitimate demands and would act as a catalyst for development in the merged districts. That didn't turn out to be true.
We perceived them as helpers but they turned out to be snakes.
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Isn't it strange Imran Khan always wants to give chances to terrorists and alleged traitors whether it's the vile ttp or now traitors PTM.
As far as PTM is concerned, DG ISPR showed the one sided dictators side of military by hurling accusations at PTM without proof and not even allowing them to respond. Talibans have been given coverage who blew people up mercilessly, Rao Anwar is given coverage, Osama bin Laden was glamorized, Al Qaeda, MQM and Altaf Hussain was allowed rule of Karachi but PTM isn't even allowed to give a response and they've not even committed any acts that the aforementioned people did.
It's almost as military is afraid of what PTM will say, almost as if DG ISPR is worried he's hurling allegations and not proofs?
The way establishment is handling it showing people Imran Khan is a puppet and not allowing PTM response at all, it makes me suspicious that something is going on.
I am well aware of how military works. They can call anyone a terrorist and no one can even dare question it.
If PTM is foreign funded, army did a terrible job of giving their narrative and it will only help strengthen PTM narrative in Waziristan.
Giving example of Uzair Baloch playing with heads is irrelevant because he's still alive when Pashtuns even suspected are buried deep inside in their graves by the army. So is Rao Anwar who should've been executed.
I know the army can do a better job at presenting their narrative, they did amazing versus India and beat them in their game. Do it against PTM too!
Sure give them more space to spread their viscous propaganda and spread further lies, if not enough damage is done already. I am sure nothing could go wrong.
Who gave TTP the coverage, who had audio tapes talking as a friend with TTP commanders? Hint: The very same person sitting in one of the front rows of DG ISPR press briefing suggesting PTM should be allowed on news channel.
Ever heard the phrase proof is in the pudding. Actions speak louder than words, and PTM's words are enough to declare their intentions. DG ISPR or military owes nothing to PTM or their claims, they are an antistate entity and must be culled with extreme prejudice.
And more non-sense continues from you. You need to make up your mind here, either you are supporting PTM or against them, there is no middle ground on this one.
What Uzair balouch have to do with PTM. The only common thing among them are that they worked against the interests of Pakistan and are being supported by treacherous politicians. The only part I agree to was army not acting earlier, but it was also evident that the army was engaged in major operations, even though they are taking this up a bit late, but still this time they must see the job through.
If army had taken action against them from the get go I am sure you will be here criticizing them for that. You need to make up your mind what exactly you stand for.
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Even an. Outsider like me knows that he cares most and only about his Pathan brothers. His support of taliban, Afghan refugees, his boon on his warrior race, every thing starts from main pathan hoon.
He is taking everyone on ride, as of today only his pathan brothers from afghanistan banifitted from his policies.
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No. You appear to be mistaken. I don't think that IK has any strong ethnic association and sensitivity. In any case, he is not even Pathan, in the sense, you are describing. He is more of a Punjabi. He was born and brought up in Lahore. His mother tongue is Punjabi. His father belongs to Mianwali, which is in Punjab. All his paternal relations belong to the same city, and their language is Seraiki, which is a sister language to Punjabi. It is only that he belongs to one of those Pathan tribes, which centuries ago settled in different part of India and adopted the respective languages and cultures.
Pakistani Taliban, called TTP, were an altogether category, than the Afghan Taliban, with totally different objectives and areas of action. He has never supported Pakistani Taliban. It is only that he thought that it would not be in Pakistan interest to conduct military operation against them. He was in favor of some negotiated settlement. But, that was more out of his lack of political understanding, than anything else. He is politically naive and hard headed. That is true. Still is.
Afghan refugees is an altogether different problem. Most of the sane Pakistani political analysts agree that this problem would remain, unless peace and stability comes in Afghanistan, which would allow these people to go back to their country. In this IK is not alone.
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So my stance has some truth in it. As usual, resort to comparison analysis based on certain factor where Nawaz Sharif did stabilize the economy at the worst time while Imran khan is throwing stable economy down the drain. That being said, Nawaz sharif is not leader which suggests doesn’t bode well for Imran Khan.
Main establishment needed puppet so they got it. Imran khan was greedy for power so I doubt he will do anything to risk the anger of main establishment provided he stays puppet as recommended.
2 people who liked your comments are Nawaz's londay, just as you are
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Every person, who comes into politics, essentially has ambitions, or one may call it "greed", for political power. It is almost universal and not some thing particular to IK.
Well-to-do people change, whenever necessity arises or they feel like, their cars, houses, employees etc. etc. So, if the Establishment changes its "puppets", from time to time, for whatever reason, what is the problem? The only problem with most of the common folks is that they have their liking for certain "puppets", and a disliking for others.
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how did he stabilize the economy? by spending 22 billion to falsely keep the rupee up?So my stance has some truth in it. As usual, resort to comparison analysis based on certain factor where Nawaz Sharif did stabilize the economy at the worst time while Imran khan is throwing stable economy down the drain. That being said, Nawaz sharif is not leader which suggests doesn’t bode well for Imran Khan.
Main establishment needed puppet so they got it. Imran khan was greedy for power so I doubt he will do anything to risk the anger of main establishment provided he stays puppet as recommended.
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The very same person was allowed coverage by who? Establishment. The very same person is banned by who? Establishment.
Journalists job is to give coverage to people and hear their narrative. Doesn't mean they're traitors or anything. The same journalist gave coverage to Imran Khan every night on his show when he was standing up against military in Musharaff era.
True. Here's the actions i have seen from establishment. TTP was given more leniency than they deserved. Altaf Hussain was allowed to murder Pashtuns everyday in Karachi. This was going on for as long as i can remember. MQM power is still not gone, just reduced. Rao Anwar is given protection who is a killer for hire. Army breeded taliban terrorists and imposed them upon us. And army allowed Pashteen to continue their activities and get representation in parliament.
Actions are contradicting DG ISPR words.
I think as a citizen of Pakistan, i am free to have an opinion on what's going on without supporting either narrative on this. PTM are Pashtun people of Waziristan, a region which is the most oppressed and victim of military oppressions and misadventures. If Imran Khan can openly condemn the military war on terror and call it not ours without being a traitor or supporter of terrorist, i can do so too.
I will support army when they're fighting India and true enemies of Pakistan and support them blindly. But when they want to suppress its own people without giving them a chance to defend themselves and not giving us the courtesy to show us the proofs of Raw and NDS funding then sorry, you're just oppressors and i hate oppressors no matter who they're.
DG ISPR could dismantle the PTM propaganda by showing the proofs of raw/nds funding and the terrorist/traitor activities they've committed. A slogan of oppressed people against army isn't much to go on. If i was a Wazir and army obliterated my home, i will shout antiarmy slogans too not praise them for murdering my family.
Also notice the language of military in you. I can't be a neutral, i either support PTM or i condemn them. I either support army unconditionally or i condemn them unconditionally. That's not how humans work. I love my parents more than anything but i may not agree with some of their actions, doesn't mean i don't love them anymore. Too tired to give a better analogy but what i am trying to say is humans aren't black and white. They can have opinions without ever joining any cause. I love Pakistani army, i studied in army public schools and army youngsters played with us, laughed with us before the conditions detoriated. I hated the army superiors and even many of those youngsters hated army superiors who didn't agree with their decisions. Doesn't make them traitors. Doesn't make every army general bad. Some were really good people.
It was in reference to DG ISPR saying where was PTM when someone was playing with people's head in Karachi. I thought it was in reference to Uzair Baloch. Might get back to you on this later.
Now you're assuming things about me like you know me?
Here's the thing. To me, PMLN and PPP are the bigger traitors as they've brought Pakistan to its knee in front of the whole world whether you admit or not. Nawaz Sharif openly made traitorous statements and did marches against army. Zardari is a known money laundrer.
The army past is very colorful of being involved in terrorism itself. Who are Talibans really and who created them? Not PTM but the army. Who spilled Pashtun blood for America in Afghanistan twice? Once against Soviets and then against Americans.
It's good that army is cleaning up its act now but stop repeating the same mistakes.
The people of KPK may support you out of fear but try to judge what they feel when you've bombed their homes for America and then ignored them. They don't give a **** about fata merger, they want same prosperity that Punjabis enjoy in Pakistan, they want same treatment that they enjoy not being persecuted and considered terrorists.
Thanks to Allah, i was safe from all this and lived near an army cantt so no talibans bullshit and my homes were safe.
If PTM is gaining support in Waziristan and KPK and among Pashtuns and hatred from Punjabis and rest of Pakistan, this shows that army has weaknesses and there are suffering in those areas.
Show those Pathans of Waziristan proofs, prove PTM traitors instead of hurling accusations and strengthening their narrative. Giving one sided narrative and banning them when your past is dirty of giving coverage to terrorists furthers PTM.
People hated Talibans because they were oppressors, kidnappers and people were scared of them. PTM is a different ballgame. They're speaking the language of the people even if they're foreign funded.
I have lived near FATA areas btw and i am well aware of what people think. Even in my village, it was obvious that talibans are supported by military. People used to say don't bother with talibans or military, if you support military, talibans will know and murder your family. Don't support talibans, military will know and they will make you a missing person and brainwash you. Just let these two fight each others dirt. People like me couldn't wait to get out of this mess because one wrong move or statement and you could get wrath of either of those. Get rich and talibans abducted you. Get some connections and military wanted you to spy on talibans. It was a mess.
Considering that the nation was declared failure at the end of Zardari ruling with billion dollars debts on the top of it.
With the borrowed money Nawaz Sharid invested on the military operation to CPEC, energy sectors, metro projects, and beyond which sets Pakistan to the right path from being officially bankrupt.
That is now being undone by his replacement who can’t even build simple metro project right never mind failure to lay the foundation for the economy to carry on from the position Nawaz Sharif left at.
That being said, Nawaz Sharif is not ideal example to commiserate but what does that say about Imran Khan then.
