Imran Khan or Taliban Khan?

[airmarshal]

You are totally wrong , operations in North and south Waziristan were outstanding from army point of view but people and parties like IK and JI, ANP never worked to have a political setup, even if IK blame ANP for not taking SWAT and define political setup so army can leave and failed to do when he is in power as well ...

Stopped reading after that point because you are nonsense! IK and JI were not even in power. Those who had power could have either gone for talks or full war. Who stopped them! Just like this current federal govt, the previous one did not have the resolve to do anything.

Nawaz Sharif and his gang are only good at looting the country. This is what they are doing right now. Give them a challenge and they will miserably fail to resolve it.

Imran Khan, good or bad has at least a solution. You pick and choose points to make arguments which make you look foolish.

The whole argument of talks is this.

Talk to those who want to talk, to separate from those who dont want to. Then operation will be focused, will remove all confusion and nation will also be behind it.

How difficult is this to understand? I think very difficult.

 

[rockstar08]

i have better names .
1. Taliban Khan
2. Tsunami Khan
3. Drone Khan
4. Dharna Khan

and his Party name PTI , Pakistani Taliban In Politics

 

[Leviza]

Stopped reading after that point because you are nonsense! IK and JI were not even in power. Those who had power could have either gone for talks or full war. Who stopped them! Just like this current federal govt, the previous one did not have the resolve to do anything.

Nawaz Sharif and his gang are only good at looting the country. This is what they are doing right now. Give them a challenge and they will miserably fail to resolve it.

Imran Khan, good or bad has at least a solution. You pick and choose points to make arguments which make you look foolish.

The whole argument of talks is this.
Talk to those who want to talk, to separate from those who dont want to. Then operation will be focused, will remove all confusion and nation will also be behind it.

How difficult is this to understand? I think very difficult.

did you even tried to understand what i said in my last post ? no as your brain is closed for anything to understand,

Let me tell you again,

Last gov of ANP when in power did nothing to have a political solution or army operation, agreed, but maybe you have forgotten that even when IK was not in power he was saying and promoting everything against army and its operations ... He was not in power but had a voice which people followed and hence he is in power in KPK today..
What i am saying is , IK is too stubborn that he is not understanding the changing reality now ..

Nawaz Sharif , on the other side cannot give army a go ahead as he had a different political issues with army and he cannot see army winning the hearts and minds of people with its positive operation and tactic used and experience gained from swat...

i am not picking up the points and argue , i am showing you the reality at its face value. accept it or deny it , i damn care...

show me one statement from your IK the most intelligent of all ever said anything about Swat operation and how successfully the Army cleared out the area and still waiting for any political party to take over with the civil setup ???? ANP failed when in power to do so and so is IK and PTI so far, that is why Swat people want army to stay in Swat...

When did IK said anything about TTP when they ran away into afghanistan ? and came back with new operational commands from its masters in Afghanistan???

Mullah Radio, when did IK said anything against about him, how he ran into Afghanistan ? and he came back into Fata and KPK in IK time after elections, what IK and PTI did so far to get this man ???

Cant even tell you to have some shame ... as its not in much people these days ...

 

[rockstar08]

This is not even a solution. If this Adnan Rasheed is dead there will be another more determined Adnan Rasheed in the making. How long will we keep doing this?

Its very mean of you to be humorous about it. Do you think an asymmetric war that TTP is waging can be won by bombing them with airplanes?

Army reaction gives an indication that there is no strategy. When the action is a reaction, a retaliation, it can boost morale for a while but then there will be another guerrilla attack. Will you find another reason then to joke about loss of lives?

seems like you are student of Zarvan mujahid , or Zarvan ulla Zarvan

 

[Khan_patriot]

sb jhut lekha ha .imran k chamche ne.taliban k kute han sare

ye galia apne muh k andar rakh barway, kutta tu ho ga

 

[Crypto]

Terrorism wil go away when Taliban Khan will become Imran Khan of younger days.

As long as NS/IK continue their own balls off and handing them to TTP

As long as majority Paks believe in Islamist terrorism

army by itself cannot rid the country from the terror.

So get your head straight and quick supporting Islamist terror under one pretext or the othere.


Thank you

Irony is that all political parties endorsed APC and then nothing happened. We as a Qoum just like to talk and take no action. Peace negotiations or not, we should have some sort of policy in hand and in action to deal with this menace.

 

[FaujHistorian]

i have better names .
1. Taliban Khan
2. Tsunami Khan
3. Drone Khan
4. Dharna Khan

and his Party name PTI , Pakistani Taliban In Politics

Well said.

sadly. It is such a waste of an otherwise educated and well traveled man.

 

[Crypto]

did you even tried to understand what i said in my last post ? no as your brain is closed for anything to understand,

Let me tell you again,

Last gov of ANP when in power did nothing to have a political solution or army operation, agreed, but maybe you have forgotten that even when IK was not in power he was saying and promoting everything against army and its operations ... He was not in power but had a voice which people followed and hence he is in power in KPK today..
What i am saying is , IK is too stubborn that he is not understanding the changing reality now ..

Nawaz Sharif , on the other side cannot give army a go ahead as he had a different political issues with army and he cannot see army winning the hearts and minds of people with its positive operation and tactic used and experience gained from swat...

i am not picking up the points and argue , i am showing you the reality at its face value. accept it or deny it , i damn care...

show me one statement from your IK the most intelligent of all ever said anything about Swat operation and how successfully the Army cleared out the area and still waiting for any political party to take over with the civil setup ???? ANP failed when in power to do so and so is IK and PTI so far, that is why Swat people want army to stay in Swat...

When did IK said anything about TTP when they ran away into afghanistan ? and came back with new operational commands from its masters in Afghanistan???

Mullah Radio, when did IK said anything against about him, how he ran into Afghanistan ? and he came back into Fata and KPK in IK time after elections, what IK and PTI did so far to get this man ???

Cant even tell you to have some shame ... as its not in much people these days ...

So the PM/premier has no faith in army? Why our federal gov is hesitant to devise and put anti TTP policy in action? By the way army is also under Federal control so even if IK wanted he will have to go through PM. Blaming IK for all the evil is not going to get us anywhere apart from some sort of personal satisfaction, perhaps?

Can you please explain a little more on why NS cannot give the army go ahead? You also mentioned NS cannot see the army winning the hearts and minds, how so? And then later on you are saying IK never praised army on the swat operation?
Please shed some more light on what is the point here?

On Mullah Radio; IK need to go on TV and specifically mention Mullah Radio's name? Isn't condemning TTP by name enough? We are not fighting one man - we are fighting an organisation!!!

Well said.

sadly. It is such a waste of an otherwise educated and well traveled man.

Sir G, what would you want IK to do?

 

[FaujHistorian]

So the PM/premier has no faith in army? Why our federal gov is hesitant to devise and put anti TTP policy in action? By the way army is also under Federal control so even if IK wanted he will have to go through PM. Blaming IK for all the evil is not going to get us anywhere apart from some sort of personal satisfaction, perhaps?

Can you please explain a little more on why NS cannot give the army go ahead? You also mentioned NS cannot see the army winning the hearts and minds, how so? And then later on you are saying IK never praised army on the swat operation?
Please shed some more light on what is the point here?

On Mullah Radio; IK need to go on TV and specifically mention Mullah Radio's name? Isn't condemning TTP by name enough? We are not fighting one man - we are fighting an organisation!!!

Pak army generals have learned their lesson from Lal khoon masjid

That Pakistani Islamists and marxists are not ready to support Pak army against the Mullahs.

In swat, Generals saw that ordinary population was with them, so they did the operations in no time,


This is the not case for NW/SW


Pak army will only do the ops if

1. Local population is in favor of military ops
2. national level politicians gaurantee full support throughout the operation and own the area afterwards


#1 is necessary to start

#2 is essential in the long run


Without #1 and #1 Pak army will have another BDesh at their hands.

...
Sir G, what would you want IK to do?

What 100% at heart nationalist would do.

To support 100% our police and our army

at every step at any cost.

 

[Crypto]

Pak army generals have learned their lesson from Lal khoon masjid

That Pakistani Islamists and marxists are not ready to support Pak army against the Mullahs.

In swat, Generals saw that ordinary population was with them, so they did the operations in no time,


This is the not case for NW/SW


Pak army will only do the ops if

1. Local population is in favor of military ops
2. national level politicians gaurantee full support throughout the operation and own the area afterwards


#1 is necessary to start

#2 is essential in the long run


Without #1 and #1 Pak army will have another BDesh at their hands.

Who is in charge of NW/SW? Clearly what you are suggesting is correct that political will and comprehensive engagement is required with the people of NW/SW which also include TTP sympathizers and members living amongst.
This is what i have been trying to convey, a political front backed by army. Talks backed by army's danda

 

[airmarshal]

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Who wrote this?

If America gives us a signal to talk, a lot of liberal Taliban will be automatically disarmed and stop calling cowards those who want talks option in the first place.

This is the level of colonization of our minds. we cant think through. We cant be original. All the bigger wisdom has to come from west.

 

[Slayer786]

Imran Khan has lost a lot of respect and support in Pakistan because of his stand on talking with taliban. He has lost his credibility. This just shows his inexperience as a politician. His intentions might be right but his method is wrong.
Sad. Many people were hoping that he would be the one to bring change in Pakistan, but he cant even run Pakhtunkwa properly.

 

[Crypto]

Pak army generals have learned their lesson from Lal khoon masjid

What 100% at heart nationalist would do.

To support 100% our police and our army

at every step at any cost.

There is no question, every Pakistani does and will support including IK.
The issue here is lack of clarity and hesitance of our leaders to initiate any practical implementation of policies. Again quoting APC, it remained on papers.

The current government should now kick start physical implementation of the APC or whatever policy was agreed upon by all the political parties.

What i don't understand here is that we are so blinded by hatred that we keep condemning one person, whereas we forget peace talks were endorsed by all parties of Pakistan including the biggest PMLN which is ruling with two third majority.
If peace talks as a solution was not acceptable why did all parties endorse?

Without political backing army can't win and vice versa as you stated above.

 

[M. Sarmad]

That Pakistani Islamists and marxists are not ready to support Pak army against the Mullahs

Marxists are more than ready to support PA against Mullahs
Problem is with the conservative right
Which unfortunately are the decision makers

 

[Areesh]

So what i get from this article is that

1 First we should hold sincere talks with TTP
2 Then even after dialogues TTP due to its nature would continue Pakistanis
3 So after that we should start military operation against terrorists

So we should wait TTP thugs to kill 400-500 more Pakistanis after which we should conduct military operations against the terrorists. Like the death of 50000 Pakistanis isn't enough. Good. I can see the genius who wrote this article. Might be Imran Khan himself. Only he can come up with such great logic.