Imran Khan arrives in Iran

[Falcon29]

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/101272/the-status-of-the-imams-of-the-ithna-ashari-shiah

Yeah some of those figures never existed but some are real and they were Sunni Muslim guys, don't believe what some Shia attribute to them, stuff they never said. For example, Mohammed Al Baqir is a scholar we respect and he is a Sunni Muslim with Sunni thought. He was living with the Sahaba and has narrations in Sunni Ahadeeth.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Why would I hate Iran? Iram helped us in 1965 and 1971 wars

The Mullahs are different though.

 

[BATMAN]

Khadim looks like a mullah.

For me they are all CIA agents.... chasing common agenda of divide.
They let each other grow but individuals have no life.
There's is a reason that Muslims have no gang or group in Pakistan.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Yeah some of those figures never existed but some are real and they were Sunni Muslim guys, don't believe what some Shia attribute to them, stuff they never said. For example, Mohammed Al Baqir is a scholar we respect and he is a Sunni Muslim with Sunni thought. He was living with the Sahaba and has narrations in Sunni Ahadeeth.

Ali ibn Moosa al-Rida, Muhammad ibn ‘Ali ibn Moosa al-Jawaad, ‘Ali ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Ali al-‘Askari, and al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali ibn Muhammad al-‘Askari. Concerning them, Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) said: They did not show a great deal of knowledge such that the ummah might benefit from them, nor did they have any authority by means of which they could help the ummah. Rather they were like any other Haashimis, they occupy a respected position, and they have sufficient knowledge of what which is needed by them and expected of people like them; it is a type is knowledge that is widely available to ordinary Muslims. But the type of knowledge that is exclusive to the scholars was not present in their case. Therefore seeks of knowledge did not receive from them what they received from the other three. Had they had that which was useful to seekers of knowledge, they would have sought it from them, as seekers of knowledge are well aware of where to go for knowledge. Minhaaj al-Sunnah (6/387).

 

[Metanoia]

Why is our PM's visit to Iran turning in to a Shia vs Sunni debate?

@waz

 

[Philip the Arab]

Why is our PM's visit to Iran turning in to a Shia vs Sunni debate?

@waz

Why not? This is the real question. Why is there stigma around that in PDF?

 

[Falcon29]

Correct but at least a few of them actually did the haram things. There are many sahaba so no need to revere those ones especially.

I don't know all of them , but what I'm saying is Shia misleadingly suggest they are Shia figures when they aren't. They(besides the fake made up ones) were Sunni Muslims that follow Sunni Islam doctrine.

 

[BATMAN]

The Mullahs are different though.

Today, nothing is in favor of Pakistan... both liberals and mullas are alike.
Actually mullas know the truth of the game but liberals are truly lost.

 

[Falcon29]

Ali ibn Moosa al-Rida, Muhammad ibn ‘Ali ibn Moosa al-Jawaad, ‘Ali ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Ali al-‘Askari, and al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali ibn Muhammad al-‘Askari. Concerning them, Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) said: They did not show a great deal of knowledge such that the ummah might benefit from them, nor did they have any authority by means of which they could help the ummah. Rather they were like any other Haashimis, they occupy a respected position, and they have sufficient knowledge of what which is needed by them and expected of people like them; it is a type is knowledge that is widely available to ordinary Muslims. But the type of knowledge that is exclusive to the scholars was not present in their case. Therefore seeks of knowledge did not receive from them what they received from the other three. Had they had that which was useful to seekers of knowledge, they would have sought it from them, as seekers of knowledge are well aware of where to go for knowledge. Minhaaj al-Sunnah (6/387).

He's talking about those specific figures, they were Tabaeen and not as significant as Shia Muslims make them. But the point I'm making is they are Sunni Muslims or didn't hold the beliefs modern Shia do. For example Ali Ibn Abi Taleb(RA) is considered one of best Sunni Muslims and is considered to be one of four rightly guided Caliphs in Sunni Islam. But, if you look at Shia sources you'd think he was a twelver Shia but what they attribute to him.

We don't have concept of twelve Imams. We consider them to be Sunni scholars whom Shia call Imams. Iranians used to be Sunni Muslims btw. So don't give credit to Twelver Shiasm by suggesting these figures are Shia when they weren't, they were Sunni. Iran was part of the Caliphate at the time, it wasn't like what Iran is today.

 

[BATMAN]

so you can hate Holy Prophet and His family . am sorry am out of it .

How can a Muslims hate any messenger of Allah and their loved ones! friends families alike.

 

[Metanoia]

Why not? This is the real question. Why is there stigma around that in PDF?

This is not a religious forum, such kind of discussions are against the forum rules.

There are plenty of other forums as well as other social media platforms to discuss the differences between Sunni and Shias.

 

[Maxpane]

How can a Muslims hate any messenger of Allah and their loved ones! friends families alike.

those who hate and spread hate are idiot one

 

[BATMAN]

Why not? This is the real question. Why is there stigma around that in PDF?

In Pakistan religion is about blind faith, close your eyes brains and follow what's happening around you. It applies equally to minorities.

 

[Hassan90]

I am no one to judge but whatever he is doing their is doing on advice of Iranian hosts i guess.

If he is Sunni, we Sunni whether Sufi or even the extremists dont allow what he is doing there.



Jahalat. I am Barelvi Sunni, our scholars not even allow to bow in respect (so someone take it wrong) let alone offer Nawafil infront of Qabar(mazar).

This is what takfeeri aka wahabi, salafis always try to hide when talking shit about the mojrity of muslims around the world which have the same aqeedah like us aka brelvis.

 

[Big Tank]

I'm Muslim and i had no clue about him. You just told me some brief history.

I have belief in all messengers, Allah and that's about it. Rest of all has NOTHING to do with Islam. It may be of political importance but nothing beyond.

You don't know about him because you weren't bothered to be told.