Imran Khan announces Compromise Solution to resolve this rigging issue.

[ajpirzada]

On one side there is violence and on other side there's democracy. We should have someone like UN investigate.

By the way impartial foreign investigators already said there was rigging but not at scale like Imran claims.

Dont drag democracy in it. The issue is the investigation of the 2013 elections under the Judicial Commission assisted by a JIT. No one needs international bodies to jump in.

What the foreign observers said was before the constituencies were opened and other discrepancies came forward. Their statements are outdated.

 

[WishLivePak]

Dont drag democracy in it. The issue is the investigation of the 2013 elections under the Judicial Commission assisted by a JIT. No one needs international bodies to jump in.

What the foreign observers said was before the constituencies were opened and other discrepancies came forward. Their statements are outdated.

Well, you don't expect any less than intelligence involvement, I don't expect any less than independent bodies. And that should be fine considering people protesting outside UN. They should've kept it inside Pakistan.

I don't want army involvement. They are meant to protect us from terrorism. Not get f involved in every damn thing. You want them to conduct elections, investigate election, police the nation, fight a war, protect borders.

There are international courts where we get far better impartiality.

 

[ajpirzada]

Well, you don't expect any less than intelligence involvement, I don't expect any less than independent bodies. And that should be fine considering people protesting outside UN. They should've kept it inside Pakistan.

I don't want army involvement. They are meant to protect us from terrorism. Not get f involved in every damn thing. You want them to conduct elections, investigate election, police the nation, fight a war, protect borders.

There are international courts where we get far better impartiality.

there is no army involvement. Having members of ISI and MI in the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) is no new thing and there is nothing wrong with it. No one had any problem when such a team was constituted by the govt few months back.

["Comprising 10 members, the JIT team is headed by Additional Inspector General Special Branch Dr Arif Mushtaq Chaudhry. The other nine members include representatives of the ISI, MI, IB, police, Special Branch and Counterterrorism Department."
Model Town clash: JIT report suggests police FIR be quashed – The Express Tribune]

If you guys didnt have a problem then, why has it become an issue when PTI is demanding the same thing?

 

[VCheng]

so it becomes categorically clear by the very evidence you have put forward that there is no legal framework for investigating the overall validity of the 'whole election.'

An ordinance fills this legal vacuum. And i fail to see what is wrong with doing so.

Sir, no Ordnance can be promulgated in violation of the Constitution. What you propose is clearly in violation of Article 225 as I have quoted above.

 

[ajpirzada]

Sir, no Ordnance cannot be promulgated in violation of the Constitution. What you propose is clearly in violation of Article 225 as I have quoted above.

The matter of Ordinance is already agreed upon by both the sides (during the course of their earlier talks) and no one (including those in the legal fraternity) has said that this cannot be done. I, myself, am not a lawyer and do not know why it cannot be done unless you show me an opinion of someone with good legal background says so.

Nonetheless, i dont care if this is done via an ordinance or via a constitutional amendment as long as both the sides find a way to get this job done.

 

[VCheng]

The matter of Ordinance is already agreed upon by both the sides (during the course of their earlier talks) and no one (including those in the legal fraternity) has said that this cannot be done. I, myself, am not a lawyer and do not know why it cannot be done unless you show me an opinion of someone with good legal background says so.

Nonetheless, i dont care if this is done via an ordinance or via a constitutional amendment as long as both the sides find a way to get this job done.

If a Constitutional Amendment is passed according to what you propose, then it would be the proper way to do it. Ordnances cannot be promulgated in direct violation of the Constitution.

 

[arushbhai]

Is Ullu k kaan ko koi bataye, didnt PM give the exact same recommendation in his address when the so called "Long march" was starting? Ye chawal admi ab khud line pe agaya hai because he knows he cant fool the nation for long with his dharnas. His political cousin padri has also ditched him

 

[ajpirzada]

If a Constitutional Amendment is passed according to what you propose, then it would be the proper way to do it. Ordnances cannot be promulgated in direct violation of the Constitution.

Well that is for the constitutionalists to determine. I am sure both the sides will (or already have) consider this factor. My concern, as a citizen, is that the 'overall' validity of the 2013 elections is investigated. Ordinance or an Amendment is of little concern to me as long as justice is served.

 

[VCheng]

Well that is for the constitutionalists to determine. I am sure both the sides will (or already have) consider this factor. My concern, as a citizen, is that the 'overall' validity of the 2013 elections is investigated. Ordinance or an Amendment is of little concern to me as long as justice is served.

Justice is best served legally, Sir.

 

[ajpirzada]

this thread should be merged with PTI offers commission under Supreme Court assisted by J.I.T while PM remains in seat.

@Horus

 

[ajpirzada]

Justice is best served legally, Sir.

sure. I dont have any problem how it gets served as long as it gets served. Im all for legal consistency and dont have any problem with the amendment if it is determined that Ordinance is not enough. But surely you and I cannot determine it here, ryt? unless you are a constitutionalist which will demand from me that I give more weight to your interpretation.

 

[VCheng]

sure. I dont have any problem how it gets served as long as it gets served. Im all for legal consistency and dont have any problem with the amendment if it is determined that Ordinance is enough. But surely you and I cannot determine it here, ryt? unless you are a constitutionalist which will demand from me that I give more weight to your interpretation.

There is no rush from my side Sir. I am perfectly content to wait and see how this process is taken forward in a presumably legal manner by those who have the authority to do so.

 

[ajpirzada]

There is no rush from my side Sir. I am perfectly content to wait and see how this process is taken forward in a presumably legal manner by those who have the authority to do so.

agreed. as long as it gets done

 

[VCheng]

agreed. as long as it gets done

For all my objections, I do support the cause of justice wherever possible, Sir, and the election results are no exception. It is just that resorting to illegal means while claiming to serve justice is oxymoronic at best and self-defeating at worst.

 

[ajpirzada]

For all my objections, I do support the cause of justice wherever possible, Sir, and the election results are no exception. It is just that resorting to illegal means while claiming to serve justice is oxymoronic at best and self-defeating at worst.

agreed. my 2 cents to what you have said above will be: lack of legal means should also not be allowed to become an obstacle and in any such scenario legal frameworks must be improved to achieve justice.