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Imran Farooq murder case: MQM’s London office raided, reports BBC

7 pages of heated argument and the polarization still exists! look its simple MQM is currently sitting in government and elections are coming PPP will aide MQM in brushing this under the carpet even if it means asking the UK government to intervene and delay the findings.

nothing new will emrge until elections 2013 are over. so relax

In heart of its heart PPP will be pleased, Rehman Malik's bandar phurtian are total drama. Why PPP should not be happy once they know that any dent in this party would divide vote including additional share and rest divided vote. Means their dependence on MQM reduces and more space to play in Sindh.
 
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@Oscar
I request you to step down from moderatorship. You are a very biased mod because i have observed that you delete every anti-mohajir post according to forum rule of not attacking any nationality, but in the same thread you dont take action against anti-pashtun posts. You have soft corner for MQM and from your posts it can be easily guessed that your views are influenced by mohajir nationalism. A moderator of forum like defence.pk should'nt express his views as an ethnic mohajir, pashtun, baloch , sindhi or mohajir.

You know the guy who I interviewed in this article? That ghayyur son of true Pashtun mother, as he called himself (indirectly saying that people who don't believe in Pakistan or believe in Pashtunistan weren't sons of Pashtun mothers :D ) wrote a poem. Will share on the other Pashtun site that still hasn't been invaded by the wannabe Pashtun Farsi-speaking armies of Afghans.

The MQM thinks all urdu-speakers represent it.. which wasnt the case..

Does it not insult these members that INDIANS are calling out terms like Mohajir sentiment and Pashtun Nationalism when it is not even their business nor expertise to talk about these issues???

Luffy, these are the words of Oscar against MQM. This guy is the ONLY sane guy around. I am a Nationalists with few 12000 supporters and ex-leader who has grown too attached to the cause but this guy knows the ground realities. Before shooting off at him why don't you ask yourself the question whether you are inherently and hopelessly racist kept in check by the moderation of this forum?

If you find me one comment from afghanis_hehe (whom your shameless Afghan terrorists kicked out as they kicked me out) which was offending to Pashtuns (not Afghanistan-stop equating the two) I will sell my clothes and everything I have and live like a beggar.

Actually we should be thankful to Oscar boy and to the members of the community, that made MQM, for rescuing us from the slavery of Hindhu banya.

We should be thankful to them for their political farsightedness and prudence otherwise we would still be lowlifes "congressiates" and "redshirts". Thus would have become a laughing stock in the whole world.

I think by "we" you mean Pashtuns and by "them" you mean mohajirs. I will again take the position of a nonchalant muhajir who has quit ideas of race to try and furnish a balanced view. You did not agree with my statements on ANP, I deeply respect you for it and you have every right to correct me if I am wrong as perhaps debate may be a vessel through which we launch our racism and hate deep into the Indian ocean. (I mean here the racial issues that plague Pakistan-I am not blaming a person. I am blaming the ethnic groups for thinking of themselves as superior and others as undeserving of rights.)

I must say I do not agree fully with your statement. There is absolutely nothing that you should be grateful to the Muhajirs for other than voting in a a party responsible for burning Pashtun carpet shops and having no respect for any other race
(except a few sane minds). Muhajirs lost loved ones in India (during partition) I can personally name from 2002. They killed our people like dogs. These muhajirs should have been willing to live and die for Pakistan and its unity and look at how low, how pathetic we are today? If anyone who is not beghairat hears Altaf's partition speech he will dip his head in shame and spit on him but Muhajirs have become part of the system and part of the hatred. (This is why I refuse to identify myself as a Muhajir. By doing so I am rebelling against ethno fascism)

Anyway we are a nation and we work as a unit. That is the Nationalist creed. This statement sums my views on why I am so critical of Muhajirs that I even refuse to call myself one:

We Nationalists are beyond the race issue. Every race thinks it is superior. We say the contributions of each and every race are valuable. Instead of teaching our kids that we muhajirs made Pakistan and made 90% of the sacrifices we should have told them that we collectively as Pakistanis made sacrifices and each race has rendered supreme sacrifice for its formation and NO RACE has done more than the other. But we are little Taliban who, to defend Altaf would jump into a river of fire like a Bollywood hero (Just see how people defend his partition speech which according to our Nationalist proposed laws should be punishable by death) so why would we teach them that? (Post 52)

(Do read the post as well-Luffy you too and that way maybe your racist mind might comprehend that I am not a normal Karachite or so-called Mohajir. Frankly I did not want to talk about my background because of the way you ethno-fascists operate)

Now Porus lets see if you really have anything to thank us (Muhajirs) for. Also from your statement it appears that you are claiming that Mohajirs actually had a "greater role" than the Pashtun of freeing Pakistan from India. I believe this is a myth perpetuated by Pashtuns of Afghanistan and their sympathizers like mini-sympathizer Luffy and maha-sympathizers toramana & soldat (names of members) on the other forum to justify separatist tendency from Pakistan and pitch the two (Pashtun Nationalism and Pakistani Nationalism) on colliding lines when they don't have to be so.

But I am aware you are saying this for other reasons mostly out of respect for Muhajirs (And you went shooting off about defending Pashtuns from racism and what not and here I am praising you!) of Pakistan who have (unfortunately) washed away their forefathers blood for Pakistan by voting for a terrorist who calls partition the biggest blunder in history (you can search it on youtube as I can't post as it is blocked here and proxies slow internet down). See the Muhajirs did not really have a larger role in creating Pakistan than Pashtuns. In fact if you look at the freedom struggle a lot of Pashtun names come up such as Chaudhry Rab Nishtar, Yusuf Khattak, Chaudhry Rehmat Khan (Now or never movement-2 others as well were Pashtuns) Abdul Qayyum Khan (A ghayyur Pashtun who hated those who wanted to break Pakistan that he tried to kill all of them which I must admit a wrong policy because it only sparks more tension but what can you do when there are people like Soldat calling to kill Pakistanis and patriotic Pashtuns?) all of whom were staunch Muslim League supporters among others who are not mentioned by Wali Khan because as Luffy rightfully stated they were enemies of Wali Khan though not necessarily of Pashtuns and Pakistanis. Furthermore if you look at the election in Pakhtunkhwa you will notice that Jinnahs Muslim League came out with an outright majority and Khudai Khidmatgars (despite propaganda by Ultra-Nationalist Afghanistan lovers that the elections were rigged which hold no proof) had no support whatsoever. In fact their support base in the coming years declined so much that they were forced to finish their party.

So you see this is actually unfair to other races including Pashtun brothers to say that Muhajirs had a larger role in the struggle for Pakistan. By birth as a muhajir who adopted the path of Nationalism I have the balls to say that my community (Mohajirs) (many-not all) are the most traitorous fools who have dug Jinnahs grave and shot him (in ideology-not physically). Supporting MQM is treason and I will keep saying this. Other ethnic parties are relatively better (though I am strongly against them) but a man with what 500 cases against him and we vote for him? I mean its like watching a retard speaking, how low, how pathetic can you be.

Pashtuns should take pride in their culture and work to promote Pashto culture, history and language and should not forget their sacrifices for this land. I say sure love Khushal Khan Khattak, I love him too hagha zamunga mashar... not just of Pashtuns but all Pakistanis as the culture of our people, all our people, not just imposed muhajir culture makes us strong as Pakistanis... but don't fall for the rubbish that Lalak Jan, Sher Khan and Abdur Rab Nishtar weren't National and Pashtun heroes.

Believe me Pashtun history, Pashtun culture is so strong, your ways so amazing that people have tried to adopt your race. Ask Luffy, the racist about me, I have openly been calling myself Pashtun (Mohajir isn't a race anyway-its a self imposed name to divide country further- all mohajirs who came to Punjab,Pakhunkhwa and Balochistan became "locals") and have researched every piece of history that I had begun to take the pants off these Pakistan-bashing Afghans (national sense) on account of which they locked me out of their forum. I would proudly call myself a Pathan though I admit it was mostly to escape my fellow brainless "muhajirs" only to find the same attitudes in every other race... though we may have Pashtun ancestry albeit challenged by our parents on account of their support for terror chief Altaf.

Our history is greater than that of Afghanistan who call us daal-khor, banana republic and historyless and cultureless people, something they can never, ever understand because we aren't a nation of one ethnicity as they promote themselves to be. We are all one of many ethnicities (over 200!) and ours are the legends of Shehrbano and Yousuf Khan, ours is the epic of Hani and Sheh Mureed, ours is a Patoal Shah dynasty and many more and by accepting all Pakistanis and their history and culture as equally valuable as one will we succeed. Divided, as Luffy wants us to be we will fall and if anyone tries to destroy my land me and 12000 nationalists will die with sword in hand.

Btw. Personally I would advise you to stay away from Luffy and gang and hang around with son of mountains and Pakhtoon. These Luffy type people thrive on divisions in society and if there aren't any, adding them. He is a little better than the average Afghan supporter as he will defend Pakistan if a Pashtun defends it but he will attack it if a Punjabi defends it. You should read his posts on pashtunforums. Very enlightening.

Ex-Leader PNA.
Now President, Nationalist News Network, Pakistan.
 
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Discussions about MQM always devolve into racism. Sad to see that a great party will always be hated because a certain ethnicity supports it. Now if MQM were in Punjab, oh boy, would we be hearing praises. Like we do for PML-N and PTI
 
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Irrespective it's fair or unfair but one thing is sure Nusrat Javed finds opportunity to settle score with MQM for firing him out of Aaj TV.
but still he sits on ajj tv?
thats how we as a nation are unfair in every social, aspect division +destruction is our destny these days?
 
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but still he sits on ajj tv?
thats how we as a nation are unfair in every social, aspect division +destruction is our destny these days?

Yes he sits on Aaj TV, we all know his program was terminated in mid, was fired and once his program was terminated he came live on Hamid Mir's program and announced his firing by Aaj TV, Mr Mir threatened from the platform of PFUJ then MQM disassociated itself from this and he was reinstated and there is nothing hidden. Probably he was tunn that day. I believe it unfair to propagate and settle personal scores on TV channels.
 
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Yes he sits on Aaj TV, we all know his program was terminated in mid, was fired and once his program was terminated he came live on Hamid Mir's program and announced his firing by Aaj TV, Mr Mir threatened from the platform of PFUJ then MQM disassociated itself from this and he was reinstated and there is nothing hidden. Probably he was tunn that day. I believe it unfair to propagate and settle personal scores on TV channels.

very recntly altaf hussian paid his sympthies to hamid mir on telephone from london? do know that?
it doesnt matter they all are elite class, some days to remember some days to forget? wellcome to the hotel california? lol
 
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Discussions about MQM always devolve into racism. Sad to see that a great party will always be hated because a certain ethnicity supports it. Now if MQM were in Punjab, oh boy, would we be hearing praises. Like we do for PML-N and PTI

Self-victimization!
We are being treated differently from the Punjabis? Is that your point? Punjabis don't vote for gun-totting criminals. We Urdu-speakers vote for them hence our city is a mess.

This is a very spartacus like comment and a typical MQM attempt of painting themselves as victims of "horrid genocide" rather than war criminals who have destroyed the peace of Karachi due to ethno-fascism of Urdu-speakers like you who I would be inclined to call a disgrace to Pakistan.

The Punjabis may not be perfect but only a fool criticizes another person as a fool when he is a fool himself. Shifting blame is not going to absolve Muhajirs of the crimes their party has committed no matter how much they invoke racism has taken place against Muhajirs.

Your problem of course like the typical Muhajir is that why is (perceived and in reality non-existent) racism being directed against you but you have no word about the racism that takes place in our fair city against Pashtuns. I saw a Mohajir rally passing by one day. You know what they were saying "Pathan, Sindhi yahan sey jao." There was a guy in my office, very patriotic but was constantly abused because he was a Pathan but kept saying we are all Pakistani and Pakistan Zindabad.

You want to call this racism call it that. These are the self-deprecating views of a muhajir about his own community who grew up on the same rubbish all of us have grown up on thanks to our benevolent elders. I am by birth a muhajir though I do not believe in ethnic identities out of my love for Pakistani Nationalism which requires the abandoning of ethnic and religious identity.

I am severely and harshly condemning the mohajir community which votes MQM and Altaf as its leader, true. I am a journalist by profession and Muhajir by birth who know's innocent people, themselves Muhajirs killed by the MQM. Ajmal Pahari on youtube live has admitted to the murder of many, many people.

Watch this. If you have any love for your country watch it, unblock youtube with JAP or hotspot shield or other proxy.

Ajmal Pahari- Target Killer MQM - YouTube
Watch it all! He went to India and trained there to murder innocent Pakistanis.

So the question is do you have any izzat? Any self-respect as a Muhajir? Or is this justifiable?

PTI is not an ethnic party. PMLN, true has a votebank in Punjab but even that party is not as racist as the MQM. The question is don't people like you feel ashamed that after creating Pakistan for all races you have become part of the ethno-fascist mindset? Can you give me one solid reason to vote for Altaf other than the fact he is a Muhajir who grew up murdering Sindhis and Pashtuns? Can you justify his speech calling partition an empirical mistake?

Also check this (from past comment) and ask yourself who is suffering bias. Muhajirs or the other communities?
Have you seen the list of directors for radio Pakistan? About 30% of the directors are Muhajir (compare to Urdu-speaking population of 8% of total Pakistani-highly inflated that also because question asked in surveys is language NOT ethnicity) There were 2-3 Sindhis and Pashtuns. And guess what. NO BALOCH. So the Punjabi didn’t steal from the Baloch. We did him very badly too and my relatives are very proud of it.


For the past 30 years we have been controlling Karachi and oppressing everyone else. Not only that. Our language is the National language and it is being imposed on every other person, even the Punjabis (Punjabi is not even taught in Punjab! A dying language!), our poets are Iqbal and Mir Taqi and that is what we teach to the rest of the country... We don’t teach them about Mir Chakar and Mir Gwaharam’s, we don’t tell them about the Talpurs, no one knows Rehman Baba or Pir Roshan's (secular) Roshaniya or Ahmed Shah Durrani (who was born in Multan & is hence Pakistani)
Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...l-thakeray-altaf-hussain-4.html#ixzz2EltDEtpb

There is no escape from the reality that Muhajirs along with the Punjabis are in a prime position in Pakistan and have a system that inherently favors them. It is undeniable! But before condemning the Punjabis and shifting everything on to them we should ask the question... the Punjabis are beginning to admit this, opening the way to give others rights. Muhajirs are actually stuck in the stone age where we vote in a terrorist. We are a community of mini-terrorists. We justify the crimes of Altaf Hussain just because he is a Muhajir and we will always call people like me who raise our voices against this terrorist a traitor to the Muhajir cause.

Fine I am a traitor because I am first and foremost a Pakistani and I have studied constantly the culture of my people because loving and respecting all races is what it means to be a Pakistani.
 
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I think by "we" you mean Pashtuns and by "them" you mean mohajirs.

haviZsultan:You need to go through of the whole thread to understand where I was coming from. Don't pick random sentences out of context, it will give you a very wrong impression and message.

I just skimmed through your lengthy post, there seem to be some misconception that I need to clear up. I don't hate any community, caste or creed. But I don't take **** from no one and can't stand the arrogant and racist pricks.
 
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haviZsultan:You need to go through of the whole thread to understand where I was coming from. Don't pick random sentences out of context, it will give you a very wrong impression and message.

I just skimmed through your lengthy post, there seem to be some misconception that I need to clear up. I don't hate any community, caste or creed. But I don't take **** from no one and can't stand the arrogant and racist pricks.

Thats it. That sums up my efforts for the day and my Nationalist rubbish which no one is prepared to listen to anyway for the day. You weren't being racist. I was being racist to Muhajirs or displaying anti-muhajir behavior as some would put it. No one even reads the posts. :D

First of all I assumed you are a Pashtun. Are you? Na taso de Pashtun? Talo Pashto razi?

Let me clear this up for you. Read everything. Don't read one line and make a Luffy-like post claiming I am anti-Pashtun.

I am by birth a muhajir. My family may or may not have Pashtun links though I suspect we are hiding them due to Muhajir (MQM) chauvinism. Pir Roshan may be an ancestor from my mothers side. We are from the Ansari branch decended right from the Ansars who provided . Abdullah Ansari is an ancestor. This is my mothers side. We formed the firangi mahal house in lucknow. From there we came here upon partition and have many stories of being raped, killed, tortured at the hands of Hindu and Sikh mobs. We are supposed to be muhajirs. In my love for Pashtuns I eventually started taking classes and tried to adopt the Pashtun race having a deep admiration for Pashtuns. I have struggled with Sindhi as well.

I believe that every race has as much right to Pakistan as the other, thus I am a follower of Nationalism, a new concept that could change the destiny of Pakistan.

Did you read the post at all?????? I advise you to go through it and read ALL of it. I will highlight some parts for you if it seems incoherent as it was a long post. If you are too tired read only that.

Maybe I assumed things in fast stride. I took u as a Pashtun complimenting Muhajirs for forming Pakistan. I disagreed with you here and said Muhajirs were not the ONLY ONES who formed Pakistan but it was Pashtuns as well. I did not call you racist, I called Muhajirs who vote for MQM racists and I called the other poster Luffy racist because he is on another racist forum where he divides his time between kissing Afghans (from Afghanistan) on the backside and if a hapless Non-Pashtun turns up to defend Pakistan kick him out. I corrected you that each race has an equal part in the formation of Pakistan, including (Pakistani) Pashtuns. I will highlight the parts of that post u should read.

I was actually complimenting the efforts of Pashtuns for Pakistan.

Basically my point is this for every community (and can be applied to Pashtuns as well):

Every race thinks it is superior. We say the contributions of each and every race are valuable. Instead of teaching our kids that we muhajirs made Pakistan and made 90% of the sacrifices we should have told them that we collectively as Pakistanis made sacrifices and each race has rendered supreme sacrifice for its formation and NO RACE has done more than the other. But we are little Taliban who, to defend Altaf would jump into a river of fire like a Bollywood hero (Just see how people defend his partition speech which according to our Nationalist proposed laws should be punishable by death) so why would we teach them that?


Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/nation...ffice-raided-reports-bbc-8.html#ixzz2EmFpUqF5

With that I shall leave. Apparently no one reads my long posts anyway. I have to revise a book for submission and write a paper on ethnic tensions in Karachi.
 
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Thats it. That sums up my efforts for the day and my Nationalist rubbish which no one is prepared to listen to anyway for the day. You weren't being racist. I was being racist to Muhajirs or displaying anti-muhajir behavior as some would put it. No one even reads the posts. :D

First of all I assumed you are a Pashtun. Are you? Na taso de Pashtun? Talo Pashto razi?

Let me clear this up for you. Read everything. Don't read one line and make a Luffy-like post claiming I am anti-Pashtun.

I am by birth a muhajir. My family may or may not have Pashtun links though I suspect we are hiding them due to Muhajir (MQM) chauvinism. Pir Roshan may be an ancestor from my mothers side. We are from the Ansari branch decended right from the Ansars who provided . Abdullah Ansari is an ancestor. This is my mothers side. We formed the firangi mahal house in lucknow. From there we came here upon partition and have many stories of being raped, killed, tortured at the hands of Hindu and Sikh mobs. We are supposed to be muhajirs. In my love for Pashtuns I eventually started taking classes and tried to adopt the Pashtun race having a deep admiration for Pashtuns. I have struggled with Sindhi as well.

I believe that every race has as much right to Pakistan as the other, thus I am a follower of Nationalism, a new concept that could change the destiny of Pakistan.

Did you read the post at all?????? I advise you to go through it and read ALL of it. I will highlight some parts for you if it seems incoherent as it was a long post. If you are too tired read only that.

Maybe I assumed things in fast stride. I took u as a Pashtun complimenting Muhajirs for forming Pakistan. I disagreed with you here and said Muhajirs were not the ONLY ONES who formed Pakistan but it was Pashtuns as well. I did not call you racist, I called Muhajirs who vote for MQM racists and I called the other poster Luffy racist because he is on another racist forum where he divides his time between kissing Afghans (from Afghanistan) on the backside and if a hapless Non-Pashtun turns up to defend Pakistan kick him out. I corrected you that each race has an equal part in the formation of Pakistan, including (Pakistani) Pashtuns. I will highlight the parts of that post u should read.

I was actually complimenting the efforts of Pashtuns for Pakistan.

Basically my point is this for every community (and can be applied to Pashtuns as well):

Every race thinks it is superior. We say the contributions of each and every race are valuable. Instead of teaching our kids that we muhajirs made Pakistan and made 90% of the sacrifices we should have told them that we collectively as Pakistanis made sacrifices and each race has rendered supreme sacrifice for its formation and NO RACE has done more than the other. But we are little Taliban who, to defend Altaf would jump into a river of fire like a Bollywood hero (Just see how people defend his partition speech which according to our Nationalist proposed laws should be punishable by death) so why would we teach them that?


Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/nation...ffice-raided-reports-bbc-8.html#ixzz2EmFpUqF5

With that I shall leave. Apparently no one reads my long posts anyway. I have to revise a book for submission and write a paper on ethnic tensions in Karachi.

Thanks my patriotic poet , bt remember in this country peoples only belive in power flows from the barrel of gun theory, you need a war , a war of mind , a war of words, a war of hate, a war of love,a war of religion , a war of every kind bt no dam book is going to unite us?
In the end it will be a gun, which is going to decide everything inbetween like it decides in pushtoon culture!
As I mentioned it before, in my many post its nt MQM or altaf doing wrong & evil in pakistan,they are the reaction of a wrong action which some 1 of us had took a long time ago?
We need a leader who, can unite us, & this dam damo-crazy is dividing us, so come & join the grand -marshall -revolution by pakarmy once & for all!
 
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