Images of Indian Army's flood relief in Kashmir

[nForce]

sirf jammu tak proud ha uska agee kashmir ha and they dont help there

why don't you go and say that to those in Kashmir who are being rescued from floods by the Indian Army ? Where are your stone-pelters now you pathetic false flagger ?

Kashmir valley from 1846 to 1947 was under occupation of hindu dogra rulers from jammu area, there was no such thing as "sovereign kingdom of kashmir" in 1947 since kashmiris (valley people) and dogras belong to two different races, linguistic and cultural groups. The last indigenous kashmiri kingdom centred and controlled entirely from srinagar ended in 1586 when kashmir kingdom was occupied by mughals based in delhi since then kashmir valley has been under occupation of various external forces based in delhi (mughals), kandahar (abdali afghans), Lahore (sikhs), Jammu (dogra hindus) and Delhi (current indian occupation).

By your logic, Pakistan is under occupation because the current Prime Minister of Pakistan hails from , guess where? Kashmir!
Come to think of it..By that theory, Pakistan has been under occupation most of the time of its existence!!

 

[Shahmir]

why don't you go and say that to those in Kashmir who are being rescued from floods by the Indian Army ? Where are your stone-pelters now you pathetic false flagger ?



By your logic, Pakistan is under occupation because the current Prime Minister of Pakistan hails from , guess where? Kashmir!
Come to think of it..By that theory, Pakistan has been under occupation most of the time of its existence!!

My logic is very clear a place can be called indigenous kingdom in the context of history only if the ruling families/dynasty were totally independent and were not viceroys installed or appointed by the main ruling capital lying outside of that region and on top of that also racially and culturally totally different. NS's example makes no sense in that context, he is pakistani and his government is entirely governed and controlled from Islamabad, he has not been appointed by some highness in srinagar or some other part of kashmir valley.

 

[janon]

Kashmir valley from 1846 to 1947 was under occupation of hindu dogra rulers from jammu area, there was no such thing as "sovereign kingdom of kashmir" in 1947 since kashmiris (valley people) and dogras belong to two different races, linguistic and cultural groups. The last indigenous kashmiri kingdom centred and controlled entirely from srinagar ended in 1586 when kashmir kingdom was occupied by mughals based in delhi since then kashmir valley has been under occupation of various external forces based in delhi (mughals), kandahar (abdali afghans), Lahore (sikhs), Jammu (dogra hindus) and Delhi (current indian occupation).

Yeah well, centuries back there was rule by kings and dynasts, now most countries have moved on to elected democratic republics. By your logic, every state in India is under occupation by Delhi. Jammu-Kashmir is only as "occupied by Delhi" as Kerala or Tamil Nadu or Rajastan. All these states, and Jammu-Kashmir, have an elected state government, and all these states together form the Union of India with Delhi as its capital. Welcome to the modern world.

 

[Shahmir]

Yeah well, centuries back there was rule by kings and dynasts, now most countries have moved on to elected democratic republics. By your logic, every state in India is under occupation by Delhi. Jammu-Kashmir is only as "occupied by Delhi" as Kerala or Tamil Nadu or Rajastan. All these states, and Jammu-Kashmir, have an elected state government, and all these states together form the Union of India with Delhi as its capital. Welcome to the modern world.

Kashmiris are racially different than people living in Kerala or Tamil nadu, they are a different nation and have never identified as indian or having anything to do with indian races like rajasthanis or tamils etc. in their history. Kashmir valley belongs to the cultural and racial sphere of indus valley (the main river Jehlum of kashmir valley is a tributary to indus river) , they have nothing to do with the people of ganga valley.

 

[janon]

Kashmiris are racially different than people living in Kerala or Tamil nadu, they are a different nation and have never identified as indian or having anything to do with indian races like rajasthanis or tamils etc. in their history.

People in TN or Kerala are also racially and culturally different from Marathas and Biharis and Bengalis. But the kings and princes of all these places decided to join the Indian union, as did Kashmir.

And by the way, you say Kashmir's "800 years of muslim history" - that came about only because of foreign occupation, which you decried in your last post. And it wasn't all muslim history, except for the rulers - magnificient works of hindu philosophy and literature, important works on logic, sanskrit grammar and many other works of hindu and buddhist thought were produced in Kashmir during this period. And for thousands of years before foreigners ruled that place, it was ruled by Indians (hindus and buddhists).

Anyway the short version is that India has many, many races and ethnicities and cultures, there is no single Indian identity to identify with, in the first place. But that has not prevented all of us from remaining together and forming a mighty union, and frustrated rants about religion or ethnicity from across the border will not prevent the continuation of our harmonious union.

Whether you like it or not, Kashmiris and Bengalis and Assamese and Tamilians and Kannadigas will remain together as a union, helping each other in times of need (as you see in the pics on this thread) and enriching each other through the integrated economic and political system.

To anybody who futilely rants about seperation, "up theirs."

 

[Shahmir]

https://twitter.com/x/status/508541916460228608

This omar abdullah guy is a ghaddar ibne ghaddar ibne ghaddar, no real kashmiri can respect this sell out family or moron traitors.

 

[janon]

Kashmir valley belong to the cultural and racial sphere of indus valley (the main river Jehlum of kashmir valley is a tributary to indus river) , they have nothing to do with the people of ganga valley.

Sorry, but civilizations based in and around major rivers went out of fashion millenia ago. We no longer think of ourselves as "people of ganga" and "people of narmada" and "people of indus". You can prattle all you want about river based divisionism or religion based divisionism or race based ones, but the succesful nation states in the modern orld are the ones who have abandoned such artificial divisions and learnt to live together. This is the era of nation states, not riverine civilization like IVC or Nile delta culture.

This omar abdullah guy is a ghaddar ibne ghaddar iben ghaddar, no real kashmiri can respect this sell out family or moron traitors.

He is the elceted representative of the people of Kashmir. Your frustration is noted with amusement.

 

[Shahmir]

sanskrit grammar and many other works of hindu and buddhist thought were produced in Kashmir during this period. And for thousands of years before foreigners ruled that place, it was ruled by Indians (hindus and buddhists).



To anybody who futilely rants about seperation, "up theirs."

The sanskrit can go into dustbin, kashmiris are not mute people they have their own special dardic language called kashmiri/kashur language.

 

[janon]

The sanskrit can go into dustbin, kashmiris are not mute people they have their own special dardic language called kashmiri/kashur language.

And Bengalis have Bengali, Maharashtrians have Marathi and so on. It doesn't prevent us from being a united republic. Your frustrated rants are missing this point - there is nothing special about Kashmiris, every region in India can claim the same. Malayalees can say they have nothing to do with Indians like Kashmiris or Punjabis, and so on. We knew this when we created the Union of India, and we are still here.

@SarthakGanguly : You are from Kashmir, right? @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR too.

 

[INDIC]

The sanskrit can go into dustbin, kashmiris are not mute people they have their own special dardic language called kashmiri/kashur language.

who are you? some tom dick and harry from Punjab with hypothetical Kashmiri ancestry tracing back to 9th generation.

 

[Shahmir]

And Bengalis have Bengali, Maharashtrians have Marathi and so on. It doesn't prevent us from being a united republic. Your frustrated rants are missing this point - there is nothing special about Kashmiris, every region in India can claim the same. Malayalees can say they have nothing to do with Indians like Kashmiris or Punjabis, and so on. We knew this when we created the Union of India, and we are still here.

@SarthakGanguly : You are from Kashmir, right? @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR too.

People belonging to "certain races" in south asia always try hard to equate themselves with the unrelated races of other regions to have a feel good factor, so nothing unusual what you mentioned here.

who are you? some tom dick and harry from Punjab with hypothetical Kashmiri ancestry tracing back to 9th generation.

You are on my ignore list.

 

[dil_dil]

People in TN or Kerala are also racially and culturally different from Marathas and Biharis and Bengalis. But the kings and princes of all these places decided to join the Indian union, as did Kashmir.

And by the way, you say Kashmir's "800 years of muslim history" - that came about only because of foreign occupation, which you decried in your last post. And it wasn't all muslim history, except for the rulers - magnificient works of hindu philosophy and literature, important works on logic, sanskrit grammar and many other works of hindu and buddhist thought were produced in Kashmir during this period. And for thousands of years before foreigners ruled that place, it was ruled by Indians (hindus and buddhists).

Anyway the short version is that India has many, many races and ethnicities and cultures, there is no single Indian identity to identify with, in the first place. But that has not prevented all of us from remaining together and forming a mighty union, and frustrated rants about religion or ethnicity from across the border will not prevent the continuation of our harmonious union.

Whether you like it or not, Kashmiris and Bengalis and Assamese and Tamilians and Kannadigas will remain together as a union, helping each other in times of need (as you see in the pics on this thread) and enriching each other through the integrated economic and political system.

To anybody who futilely rants about seperation, "up theirs."

Biharis and Tamils are very similar people, only language is different.

 

[janon]

People belonging to "certain races" in south asia always try hard to equate themselves with the unrelated races of other regions to have a feel good factor, so nothing unusual what you mentioned here.

Are you talking about the wannabe Arabs in your country?

Otherwise I'm not quite sure what you are getting at. My point hs been made, your points have been refuted, and unless you bring anything substantial to discuss, the discussion is over. You can carry on with these snide remarks, but at the end of the day, Marathis and Kashmiris and Punjabis and Tamilians and Assamese all live together as the Union of India, and elect their own representatives to their states and to the central govt. That is why Kashmir (or TN for that matter) is not ruled by delhi. It is an elected democratic republic.

Biharis and Tamils are very similar people, only language is different.

LOL. Shan, right?

 

[dil_dil]

Are you talking about the wannabe Arabs in your country?

Otherwise I'm not quite sure what you are getting at. My point hs been made, your points have been refuted, and unless you bring anything substantial to discuss, the discussion is over. You can carry on with these snide remarks, but at the end of the day, Marathis and Kashmiris and Punjabis and Tamilians and Assamese all live together as the Union of India, and elect their own representatives to their states and to the central govt. That is why Kashmir (or TN for that matter) is not ruled by delhi. It is an elected democratic republic.


LOL. Shan, right?

Arab? If someone said i am arab in real life then this is what he should expect

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We are not desperate to prove our non-indigenous origins. Anything east of Sutlej is dravidian land for us.

 

[INDIC]

Are you talking about the wannabe Arabs in your country?

Otherwise I'm not quite sure what you are getting at. My point hs been made, your points have been refuted, and unless you bring anything substantial to discuss, the discussion is over. You can carry on with these snide remarks, but at the end of the day, Marathis and Kashmiris and Punjabis and Tamilians and Assamese all live together as the Union of India, and elect their own representatives to their states and to the central govt. That is why Kashmir (or TN for that matter) is not ruled by delhi. It is an elected democratic republic.


LOL. Shan, right?

The comment of @oye_natta and @Shahmir kashmir gave you them impression why Pakistanis are still very fearing of people expressing their regional Sindhi, Punjabi, Baloch, Pashtun identity because unlike Indians, they don't have a historical Pakistani identity.