I'm not considered son of soil: Musharraf

[Secur]

He screwed up, his arrogance and cowardice led him to his fall. Instead of accepting that and realizing that "enlightened moderation" is no longer the tune of this nation .. rather the very opposite of it..

Lets hear . What would you say , was the best course of action ? Maybe , it was the public that messed up and not the President himself . I mean are they happy with the current democratic rule and its blessings ? Even at the moment I type this post , I can think of Musharraf's era as ten times better than the one , I am living today in .

This isn't what you implied but Oscar , enlightened moderation was a good idea it just happens that you cant change the mindset of this nation . Illiteracy and nescience combined with religious fundamentalism/extremism is a recipe for disaster and he could do nothing about it as much as he thought he can , his mistake was that he didn't realize that , the idea was somehow embedded in the psyche of the masses . What can one do about a nation which somehow tends to shudder , be reluctant and even freak out at the very mention of modernity and liberalism ?

I think I implied the 'why' in my above post(s) !

Didn't see that , my mistake .

 

[Armstrong]

Didn't see that , my mistake .

Phir usss peii comment bhiii kar dooo naaa !

 

[Hulk]

This is very common ploy used by minorities, when they are in power they never complain of any discrimination. When they are out of power and when law catches up-to them for the wrongdoing suddenly you realize that you have been discrimination because of your ethnic background. Please give me a break, sorry but this argument does not convince me at all.

 

[Secur]

Phir usss peii comment bhiii kar dooo naaa !

Mate , why do you want me to repeat the drill again seriously ? Isn't it obvious what my answer would be ? Blaming all things on others instead of introspecting and correcting yourself , I say the same to all conspiracy theorists looking for a foreign third hand , isn't rational , logical and points to a weakness of the psyche .

However , as irrational as the new statement from the former COAS is , it points out to something deep , the " soil " thing isn't new and it isn't a piece of fiction either .

 

[Armstrong]

Mate , why do you want me to repeat the drill again seriously ? Isn't it obvious what my answer would be ? Blaming all things on others instead of introspecting and correcting yourself , I say the same to all conspiracy theorists looking for a foreign third hand , isn't rational , logical and points to a weakness of the psyche .

However , as irrational as the new statement from the former COAS is , it points out to something deep , the " soil " thing isn't new and it isn't a piece of fiction either .

Meriii baaat peii koi comment nahin kiyaa !

 

[livingdead]

Meriii baaat peii koi comment nahin kiyaa !

lets exchange son of our soil (mush) with son of your soil (mms)

 

[W.11]

lets exchange son of our soil (mush) with son of your soil (mms)

mms is the daughter of the soil

 

[livingdead]

mms is the daughter of the soil

chalo daughter ke badle daughter.. we want altaf behna dear ..

 

[W.11]

chalo daughter ke badle daughter.. we want altaf behna dear ..

u mean altaf bhai?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Finally he has said the truth. When it comes out from a person of such stature the reality see the light which was otherwise suppressed by pretense, seize and favors.

lets get our thumbs out of our behinds

he responded to a loaded question from D Danish who suggested the possibility of ethnic rivalry. his response was hypothetical ... with an IF.. such thing is mind of people then its regrettable...

the victim has the right to see a spy behind every tree but he already said few times that entire army is with him and what is the biggest contingent of Pakistan army?

Emotional atyachar by general saab. Not good for a commando...

his answer is hypothetical to a loaded and trick question
I dont see anything wrong with that

the entire punjabi political party is bent over to suck our Balochis because we are angry with them although my fellow Balochis continue to round up Punjabi out of buses ad execute them. at the same time we continue to cry as victims... no one objects to that and is naming trains after the biggest Baloch terrorist who has the blood of the Kalper Bugti tribe under his name.

 

[Slayer786]

if you all members stop being emotional and start using their commonsense, then they would realize that he is not talking about the military. The military is united, there is no urdu-speaking, punjabi, sindhi or pashtun or baloch. Only Pakistanis.
He is talking about the civilian government. If anyone had taken the trouble to research a bit and found out that the only reason Nawaz Sharief appointed him the COAS was not because they were good friends or he was the most handsomest General. No it was because he was urdu-speaking who he thought he could control and manipulate. And he superseded both pashtun and punjabi Generals.
So Gen Musharraf was referring to the civilians and especially the Nawaz group.

 

[AhsanAmin]

Now the clown is using the exactly the opposite cards than what he showed us when he spoke about "Sub Se Pehle Pakistan"

As a Pakistani, everybody who migrated from India to live in Pakistan and owed allegiance to the new country is just the same Pakistani as anybody else already living here.

I am Punjabi and my grand parents migrated from Indian side of Punjab. The stories of brutality and massacres they either experienced or witnessed on the way, still run in the families. The way people including women and children left their homes and travelled hundreds of kilometres on foot or oxen carts with fears of being ambushed anywhere on the way, makes me recall with horror what they would have gone through. And still hundreds of thousands could not make it to Pakistan and died (were killed) on the way. I am also Mohajir in that sense but I am only a Pakistani.

People who migrated from other parts of India had their own horror stories but not as frightening as of those who migrated from Indian Punjab.

Now if you see today that punjabis are using their power or status to wrong or deny rights of citizens of the country elsewhere you must speak about it but not using the ethnicity card in a way that damages our country. We are all Pakistan now.

That we are all Pakistan still does not mean that we can be unfair to any minority or ethnicity in the name of Pakistan. I am a great proponent of rights of Balochis who have been neglected in several ways. There are no roads, schools or hospitals in most parts of the largest province of Pakistan. Now efforts to suppress them by force are going to be even more counterproductive. Solution is to give them their basic rights and uplift those remote areas economically. And this will be the true service to Pakistan.

 

[batmannow]

Maybe Pakistanis dont want enlightened moderation, perhaps this whole terrorist bit was a hand me down from Musharrafs times. Your shortsightedness and lack of perception is perhaps.. a very laughable joke on this entire forum.

terrorism in pakistan was there, before musharaf,s time, your short sightedness is allways here?
perheps most pakistanis, still are looking for 62 ruppes against a dollar?
which them which was the gift musharaf,s enlightined moderation?
pakistanis surly are not ready to any dam TORA BORA MULLHA telling them to , marry thier 14 years mallalas ?
if they really wanted to get the gods heavens?
if not he is ready to send them to hell?
perheps hypocrats like you, are the biggest of jokes on the face of earth?

 

[SQ8]

Lets hear . What would you say , was the best course of action ? Maybe , it was the public that messed up and not the President himself . I mean are they happy with the current democratic rule and its blessings ? Even at the moment I type this post , I can think of Musharraf's era as ten times better than the one , I am living today in .

This isn't what you implied but Oscar , enlightened moderation was a good idea it just happens that you cant change the mindset of this nation . Illiteracy and nescience combined with religious fundamentalism/extremism is a recipe for disaster and he could do nothing about it as much as he thought he can , his mistake was that he didn't realize that , the idea was somehow embedded in the psyche of the masses . What can one do about a nation which somehow tends to shudder , be reluctant and even freak out at the very mention of modernity and liberalism ?

The public is stupid.. however, if the person who kept claiming "main ne keh diya hai, hojaye ga" as being the fullstop for the buck could not have the vision nor the intelligence to anticipate the public response and its requirements..then it falls to the leader. After all, if a shephard leads his flock into a wolves den.. do you blame the shephard or the flock?

Musharraf's era being ten times better than this one is a failed argument in my view. People say Ayub Khans era was the best in Pakistan yet through introspection it shows that not only did the era lead to a greater divide between the poor and the rich.. it was also the era in which hatred and divide was sown amongst our eastern wing...shall we than still be happy about 21 rich families or the seeds that led to the bloody divide in 71?

The nation that shudders at that thought is a nation that does not want that thought. Pakistan is going to delve further into extremism and intolerance and there is nothing you and I can do about it. That is what the people want and are ok with.

 

[Panther 57]

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