If Vietnam can beat China, so can India. This is not 1962.

[manlion]

It is not surprising that China is miffed with us. They want to ‘teach’ us a lesson for not obeying their command. Be that as it may, there are many issues which the Chinese will have to consider before they decide to blow the balloon.

First and foremost is their standing as the manufacturing hub of the world which will take a severe beating if they decide to go to war. It will send a message that the country is not peaceful, which can result in major disruptions in supply and transport of goods being produced, not to mention the risk of being bombed out, as can happen in any war. If this were to happen, the economic might which the Chinese boast of, could seriously erode overnight. Without manufacturing, China could well be a basket case.

Secondly, America will not allow China to get away so easily. Even in our 1962 war with China, they’d helped us with weapons and ammunition. This time, they’ll do much more. The Malabar exercise held recently along with Japan and America was precisely for this purpose. Americans will never allow the Chinese to disrupt the international order which though chaotic is still balanced in America’s favor. If they let China take the lead, the standing of America will take a severe beating.

I haven’t mentioned Russia in the current context because Russia’s relationship with China is ambivalent. While they haven’t been best of friends in the past, their relationship is currently cordial. On the other hand while our relationship with Russia was very good in the past it is just a shade better than cordial currently. In all probability, Russia will just try and use its good offices to prevent the war. They won’t come out in our support openly.

Pertinent to mention that Pakistan may also try and take advantage of the situation, in Kashmir. They may believe that this is a golden opportunity for them to wrest Kashmir from India. Here again, Americans have a strong handle which they can use to keep Pakis away. This is exactly the reason why Americans haven’t declared Pak a terrorist nation. If they were to do so, the leeway that they currently have would be gone.

It is quite likely that Chinese are actually just testing the waters. They’re not sure of our PM Narendra Modi. By trying to create a tense situation they may want to see if he buckles or not. In the past, many times Indian government has kept Chinese sensibilities in mind while dealing with many issues including that of Dalai Lama and Tibetans. This includes recognizing Tibet as part of China. However, of late, the government and its ministers have been seen courting Dalai Lama quite openly, which is anathema for Chinese.

Lastly, even if an actual war is still long way off, if it comes to the worst, we should be prepared to do what we ought to and fight tooth and nail. After 1962 also, we’ve given Chinese a bloody nose on a couple of occasions in the same area, though the incidents were local in nature. It is not that the Chinese cannot be defeated. They can be, especially in night warfare where they’re weak. If Vietnam can beat China, so can we. This is not 1962.

https://www.myind.net/Home/viewArticle/if-vietnam-can-beat-china-so-can-we-this-is-not-1962

 

[somsak]

Vietnam won war against USA, and France. So can India?

 

[Jackdaws]

India will withdraw. After Doval gets a concession on NSG or Hafiz Saeed or both.

 

[B2B]

India will withdraw. After Doval gets a concession on NSG or Hafiz Saeed or both.

I am sure about that which the Chinese never mention the entire drama is a well planned diplomatic move.

 

[Viet]

India is protected by high mountains, heavy military hardware difficult to be deployed. Xi Jinping is not Hannibal who sometimes ago successfully led an invasion army, crossing the mountain and valleys to invade Rome.

 

[manlion]

after 1962, times up for China to teach India a second lesson

 

[ashok321]

Vietnam?

Hehehehehehe

 

[Genesis]

India will withdraw. After Doval gets a concession on NSG or Hafiz Saeed or both.

That will only happen if Pakistan doesn't object. I would say at this point Pakistan is more important than Tibet itself.

It is our ticket into the affairs of South Asia, without Pakistan, China would have no access and no right to be in South Asia. Same reason the Americans would risk war and worse for Japan and Korea.

An entire sub continent or a few acres of land, you would make the same choice if it was presented to you.

India is protected by high mountains, heavy military hardware difficult to be deployed. Xi Jinping is not Hannibal who sometimes ago successfully led an invasion army, crossing the mountain and valleys to invade Rome.

Good thing Xi is not going to lead the army then.

It is not surprising that China is miffed with us. They want to ‘teach’ us a lesson for not obeying their command. Be that as it may, there are many issues which the Chinese will have to consider before they decide to blow the balloon.

First and foremost is their standing as the manufacturing hub of the world which will take a severe beating if they decide to go to war. It will send a message that the country is not peaceful, which can result in major disruptions in supply and transport of goods being produced, not to mention the risk of being bombed out, as can happen in any war. If this were to happen, the economic might which the Chinese boast of, could seriously erode overnight. Without manufacturing, China could well be a basket case.

Secondly, America will not allow China to get away so easily. Even in our 1962 war with China, they’d helped us with weapons and ammunition. This time, they’ll do much more. The Malabar exercise held recently along with Japan and America was precisely for this purpose. Americans will never allow the Chinese to disrupt the international order which though chaotic is still balanced in America’s favor. If they let China take the lead, the standing of America will take a severe beating.

I haven’t mentioned Russia in the current context because Russia’s relationship with China is ambivalent. While they haven’t been best of friends in the past, their relationship is currently cordial. On the other hand while our relationship with Russia was very good in the past it is just a shade better than cordial currently. In all probability, Russia will just try and use its good offices to prevent the war. They won’t come out in our support openly.

Pertinent to mention that Pakistan may also try and take advantage of the situation, in Kashmir. They may believe that this is a golden opportunity for them to wrest Kashmir from India. Here again, Americans have a strong handle which they can use to keep Pakis away. This is exactly the reason why Americans haven’t declared Pak a terrorist nation. If they were to do so, the leeway that they currently have would be gone.

It is quite likely that Chinese are actually just testing the waters. They’re not sure of our PM Narendra Modi. By trying to create a tense situation they may want to see if he buckles or not. In the past, many times Indian government has kept Chinese sensibilities in mind while dealing with many issues including that of Dalai Lama and Tibetans. This includes recognizing Tibet as part of China. However, of late, the government and its ministers have been seen courting Dalai Lama quite openly, which is anathema for Chinese.

Lastly, even if an actual war is still long way off, if it comes to the worst, we should be prepared to do what we ought to and fight tooth and nail. After 1962 also, we’ve given Chinese a bloody nose on a couple of occasions in the same area, though the incidents were local in nature. It is not that the Chinese cannot be defeated. They can be, especially in night warfare where they’re weak. If Vietnam can beat China, so can we. This is not 1962.

https://www.myind.net/Home/viewArticle/if-vietnam-can-beat-china-so-can-we-this-is-not-1962

This is why I hate these articles, I am not saying China is invincible, and any damage from a Sino India war would be minimal at best, to both.

Yet, 1962 is 1962, 1979 is 1979 and 2017 is 2017. Each had their unique circumstances. In 1917 Russia surrendered. In 1939 Soviets got rocked by Finland. Yet, in 1944, Finland capitulated to Soviets without a struggle and the Soviet flag was flying in Berlin from 45 to 89.

History only matters if the situation remained largely the same, but the situation has changed drastically since then and it should be treated as such.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yes, this is not 1962, and China is moving into the 21st century, while you guys wanna keep getting stuck in 1962?

 

[Viet]

Good thing Xi is not going to lead the army then.

This is why I hate these articles, I am not saying China is invincible, and any damage from a Sino India war would be minimal at best, to both.

Yet, 1962 is 1962, 1979 is 1979 and 2017 is 2017. Each had their unique circumstances. In 1917 Russia surrendered. In 1939 Soviets got rocked by Finland. Yet, in 1944, Finland capitulated to Soviets without a struggle and the Soviet flag was flying in Berlin from 45 to 89.

History only matters if the situation remained largely the same, but the situation has changed drastically since then and it should be treated as such.

Xi will lead the war in a room with all luxury an emperor can expect. Seriously I sometimes wonder of Chinese diplomacy. Difficult to understand. Even for Vietnamese the only people on this planet that should be to understand you.

 

[Genesis]

Xi will lead the war in a room with all luxury an emperor can expect. Seriously I sometimes wonder of Chinese diplomacy. Difficult to understand. Even for Vietnamese the only people on this planet that should be to understand you.

You are in Germany, did you study Bismark? He is one of my favorite 19th century politician along side Li Hongzhang, and Ito Hirobumi.

The fact of the matter is China is a rising power, the US is all around us, any movement by China is going to be seen as aggressive, same for Germany, and same for Japan. Compared to those two, we are saints.

Yet, this is a part of the process to become a world power. How many Americans never came back from Europe for America to be America. How many Russians? How many Japanese died for their country? Conflict is inevitable whenever there is change. The pie is only so big, if it's more for me, it is less for you. The fact that you even had that pie to begin with means you taken it from someone else and there is no way you would just give it up.

As to Xi, come on man, no need for that, if we get down to it, which communist party has done the better job. Yes, you are still communist, at least in name.

 

[kankan326]

Vietnam did not beat China. Before starting the war, China had told the world it would be a punishment war. No intention of occupying Vietnam's land. PLA didn't lose in any battle before retreated. And the retreat was also scheduled.

 

[Trango Towers]

Vietnam won war against USA, and France. So can India?

India couldn't win a Samoa race

 

[xiao qi]

Vietnam did not beat China. Before starting the war, China had told the world it would be a punishment war. No intention of occupying Vietnam's land. PLA didn't lose any battle before retreat. And the retreat was also scheduled.

Sure? Read more
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cao_Bang_(1979)

 

[ito]

Xi will lead the war in a room with all luxury an emperor can expect. Seriously I sometimes wonder of Chinese diplomacy. Difficult to understand. Even for Vietnamese the only people on this planet that should be to understand you.

Xi will be a fool if he thinks he can get away with a war with India...the economic and more importantly the political cost will be too much for China and him personally.