If negative claims about CPEC are correct, why is Pakistan's adversary still maintaining a military?

[Talwar e Pakistan]

This is a silly question.
How else are we going to defend against China on our West!

But you have around 70% of your forces on the Pakistan-India border.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

Whether CPEC is bad for us or good, you shouldn't worry about it.


But if our enemy is worried, then it means it's good for us.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

I am a layman. I myself don't understand CPEC or economics in general. All I have guessed is that CPEC is something bad for Pakistan's economy and would bankrupt it. As a result, it wouldn't have money for military expenditure. Pakistan would be left defenseless.

If that's the case, why is India not lowering it's guard?

For details about criticism of CPEC, please refer to umpteen number of anti-CPEC threads.

Please give your explanation in non-technical style which lay people can understand.

CPEC will lead to a surge in revenue, period; thus leading to an increase of our defense budget.

We did not initiate one of the world's largest and most ambitious mega-project to become bankrupt. I would rather take the word of the hundreds of engineers, geographers, planners, economists, financial institutions, world organizations and etc... that have green-lighted and praised the project over your little guess.

Have you ever thought for a second that what comes out of India regarding Pakistan is mostly BS, including the CPEC related rhetoric? India has been spewing falsities since 1947 - spinning up the most absurd theories and conclusions I've ever heard in my life. To give you an example, not too long ago; the most viewed Indian news agencies were claiming that Shahid Afridi is an ISI agent because he took pictures with the DG ISPR. Indians being a gullible, over-egoistic and low-IQ people would obviously believe that.

The perception that Pakistan will become bankrupt, collapsed, implode and blah blah is nothing new amongst Indians. They are fooled into thinking that India is some super-power and Pakistan is a crippled and dying desert country when in reality an average Pakistani is better off than an average Indians. Keep believing what you want to believe, in the end - it's not going to change the reality.

 

[randomradio]

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Our opinions have changed since then. Now we no longer want Pakistan.

I am a layman. I myself don't understand CPEC or economics in general. All I have guessed is that CPEC is something bad for Pakistan's economy and would bankrupt it. As a result, it wouldn't have money for military expenditure. Pakistan would be left defenseless.

If that's the case, why is India not lowering it's guard?

For details about criticism of CPEC, please refer to umpteen number of anti-CPEC threads.

Please give your explanation in non-technical style which lay people can understand.

India's military modernization is not Pakistan-centric.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Our opinions have changed since then. Now we no longer want Pakistan.



India's military modernization is not Pakistan-centric.

thats even better bcoz grapes are sour

 

[randomradio]

thats even better bcoz grapes are sour

I bet Jinnah's rolling in his grave right about now.

 

[Vapnope]

If negative claims about CPEC are correct, Pakistan should become bankrupt and the Pakistani state should collapse. Then there should be no need for it's adversary to maintain a military. But India is not only still maintaining a military but also making arms purchase and all. Why is it so?

India or any country for that matter wouldn't want a powerful adversary encircling it.
And if we assume that CPEC is only going to benefit Pakistan and China, then two enemies together becomes a big risk.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

India or any country for that matter wouldn't want a powerful adversary encircling it.
And if we assume that CPEC is only going to benefit Pakistan and China, then two enemies together becomes a big risk.

That's a nice question but it should be rather answered by you guys.

The old proverb.....if you can't beat them, then join them.
The Indian mentality......if you can't beat them then make ridiculous claims just to feel good.

CPEC will lead to a surge in revenue, period; thus leading to an increase of our defense budget.

We did not initiate one of the world's largest and most ambitious mega-project to become bankrupt. I would rather take the word of the hundreds of engineers, geographers, planners, economists, financial institutions, world organizations and etc... that have green-lighted and praised the project over your little guess.

Have you ever thought for a second that what comes out of India regarding Pakistan is mostly BS, including the CPEC related rhetoric? India has been spewing falsities since 1947 - spinning up the most absurd theories and conclusions I've ever heard in my life. To give you an example, not too long ago; the most viewed Indian news agencies were claiming that Shahid Afridi is an ISI agent because he took pictures with the DG ISPR. Indians being a gullible, over-egoistic and low-IQ people would obviously believe that.

The perception that Pakistan will become bankrupt, collapsed, implode and blah blah is nothing new amongst Indians. They are fooled into thinking that India is some super-power and Pakistan is a crippled and dying desert country when in reality an average Pakistani is better off than an average Indians. Keep believing what you want to believe, in the end - it's not going to change the reality.

The old proverb.....if you can't beat them, then join them.
The Indian mentality......if you can't beat them then make ridiculous claims just to feel good.

That's a nice question but it should be rather answered by you guys.

assuming that you are not trolling and your question is genuine let me ask few things first so we could better understand your post.
1) what negative claims are we talking about here?
2) what impact does those claims would have on our economy and how will it bankrupt us?
3)why would china want to bankrupt us?
4)what you assume will happen to us after bankruptcy that you wouldn't have any use left for your armed forces?(try to keep the response to this question as pakistan centric as you can)

You all seem to overlook/ignore two facts:

1. Many many Pakistanis also believe that CPEC would do more harm than good to Pakistan.

2. Did you ever consider that thousands of engineers, geographers, planners, economists, financial institutions, world organizations and etc... have been bribed to promote CPEC? China has tacitly said to these folks, "For public consumption we are saying that we are giving the loan for Pakistan's development. But you can siphon it off for your personal use. Media too would get their share so that they keep their mouth shut."
Don't forget that corruption is the no. 1 weakness of Pakistan.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

If negative claims about CPEC are correct, Pakistan should become bankrupt and the Pakistani state should collapse. Then there should be no need for it's adversary to maintain a military. But India is not only still maintaining a military but also making arms purchase and all. Why is it so?

Clarification: This thread is about the effects of CPEC and India's reaction to CPEC.

@MagicMarker @ranjeet @Jackdaws @SOUTHie

 

[bananarepublic]

CPEC will drive them into a debt trap, there is not doubt about that. Its long term Risks far outweigh its benefits.

But it will also result in consolidation of chinese control over pakistan and its army. And that is not a good thing for us. A free stupid pakistan is far better than a slave pakistan under chinese control.

There is no debt trap the loans taken for different projects have guaranteed packback most of the loans are either for power plants or road infrastructure with very low intrest rates.

 

[Basel]

If negative claims about CPEC are correct, Pakistan should become bankrupt and the Pakistani state should collapse. Then there should be no need for it's adversary to maintain a military. But India is not only still maintaining a military but also making arms purchase and all. Why is it so?

Clarification: This thread is about the effects of CPEC and India's reaction to CPEC.

The correct question should be, why India still want aggressive posture and still adding new units near Pakistani border if CPEC is poison for Pakistan and will ultimately destroy it (as per Indians).

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

CPEC will drive them into a debt trap, there is not doubt about that. Its long term Risks far outweigh its benefits.

But it will also result in consolidation of chinese control over pakistan and its army. And that is not a good thing for us. A free stupid pakistan is far better than a slave pakistan under chinese control.

I think it would give mixed results. The truth may lie somewhere between. And both Pakistanis and Indians would be claiming victory in this debate. There would no clear winner or clear loser. Hence it all would be down to interpretation by both sides.

 

[Soulspeek]

Nopes.... Thats bcoz we dont need jihadi scums to intermingle with rest of India and create civil war like situation. The very same reason why we didn't annex Bangladesh after 1971.

thats even better bcoz grapes are sour

 

[Jackdaws]

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Because the world does not like to see a state collapse - it causes all sorts of issues with civil war, refugees etc. Can you just imagine the number of refugees at India's own door if there was civil war in Pakistan. Last time 10 million poured in.

The problem is that it's economic failure would lead to China getting a military presence there. It would almost be a soft take over - China will keep some Viceroy type figure there. Obviously the name will be more palatable and less imperial like "Chinese Coordinator" or some such but he will perform like a Viceroy - with both - political parties as well as Military reporting to him. Pak judiciary might wage a lone battle but eventually they will have to come around as well. End result - there won't be a collapse - but Pak will end up being a quasi colony of China. The bonhomie will disappear.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

If negative claims about CPEC are correct, Pakistan should become bankrupt and the Pakistani state should collapse. Then there should be no need for it's adversary to maintain a military. But India is not only still maintaining a military but also making arms purchase and all. Why is it so?

Clarification: This thread is about the effects of CPEC and India's reaction to CPEC.

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