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If Naya Pakistan Becomes Reality, Would You Go Back?

If PTI succeeds in establishing Naya Pakistan, would you go back to Pakistan?


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Shahji,

I think the majority of the next generation of overseas Pakistanis will not even visit Pakistan let alone return there. This is definitely true for those who have married in the US/UK...once their parents pass away their link with Pakistan will be cut and that’s the end of story

My cousins, born in UK, are next generation and a few have setup businesses and relocated.

One has a thriving businesses in Blue Area, Islamabad. He spends 8 months in PK and 4 in UK. Basically he shifted his business from UK to PK and cheaper costs allowed him to grow it from a small'ish setup in E11 to a proper large office setup in Blue Area.
 
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Majority of overseas Pakistanis in Europe-America are all talk.--- (as we can see in this forum, most of PTi bacha logs making jazbati posts are from west) ----I am 100% sure that 90% of them won't return.-

and this emotional speech, I will come back to serve my country, this might be true for 10%; for 90% it's LoL ..... :lol:

Also this overseas class (in west), once they land in west, they develop kinda arrogance/superiority complex.---- "Pakistanis (in broken English accent) are jahil people"

Actually, Pakistan is a GREAT place to retire. Seriously.
 
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My cousins, born in UK, are next generation and a few have setup businesses and relocated.

One has a thriving businesses in Blue Area, Islamabad. He spends 8 months in PK and 4 in UK. Basically he shifted his business from UK to PK and cheaper costs allowed him to grow it from a small'ish setup in E11 to a proper large office setup in Blue Area.

ما شاء الله
But that is the minority ...let’s hope more and more OP’s follow this trend
 
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The "Babus" are trying to sabotage IK government, through various places like FBR, police, judiciary, etc. It's a slow process. just remember, politicians have used the last 30 years to corrupt the institutions. Medicine will be bitter and painful.

TBH, he's part and parcel with the Babus. He's their because of the establishment, and I'm all for it but only if it works. It never will though. Simply because the establishment is there to protect its own interests, why would someone who has power over the system ever change it when that very system is the reason behind their power? Fool's hope.

I don't see one meaningful measure taken either, all of IK's are naive and ad hoc. For example, an introductory course in taxation or even Econ 101 will tell you that these desperate indirect taxes will weigh the heaviest on low to middle income households and are in fact further going to deflate the economy. They dry up savings which in turn destroys investment and that's how you get lost in a low growth trap. As if we weren't already smack in the middle of it, now we are just burying ourselves further into it. The government doesn't generate much either because these taxes dry up spending as well. Low to Middle Income households are cost averse; If you increase the tax on item A, they reduce or stop consuming item A, respective to its elasticity of demand. Direct taxes on high income households was the only way to go, as proven the world over and by basic Economics. Why didn't he or anyone else ever do it in Pakistan? Refer to the my first paragraph. I'd best not make this into an economics lecture.

I voted for him but I didn't expect much. The man has charisma but little else. Go back to everything that he has ever said, it's all hyperbole (ironically also the source of his charisma). From his idiotic stance on the TTP (which no one remembers anymore) to his taxation policies. Has he ever presented an economic framework? Or any tangible plan for anything else? The fact that he was still the best pick from the lot says a lot about our nation.

Please tells us your experience, if it's not too personal.

In short, it's the average people that are driving Pakistan into the ground. The politicians are just a result of it. The only difference is the opportunities that one has had. We snuff out talent, we snuff out ability, we destroy everything that is good on purpose and then go blame it all on someone else. Our's is a degenerate nation that is rife with dishonesty, inability and corruption. Everyone is in on it. Our culture is built upon it. Ability is looked at as a threat and attacked. Any sane voice is looked at as a threat and attacked. All think they are 'badmash' but everyone is instead a chor.

Also, if you can give advice, please share.

Build a safety net before you go, leave an escape route, be prepared to have the wind knocked out of you and give it everything you have. If you fail keep your chin up and return after a few years to try again.
 
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TBH, he's part and parcel with the Babus. He's their because of the establishment, and I'm all for it but only if it works. It never will though. Simply because the establishment is there to protect its own interests, why would someone who has power over the system ever change it when that very system is the reason behind their power? Fool's hope.
I do believe the establishment brought him, but not through rigging. His popularity and voter power was already there, even in the 2013 elections. If you take a look at photographic & video evidence of rigging and Kayani's taunt to Imran Khan right after the elections, it will become clear establishment prevented his party from winning in 2013. This is not surprising as he vocally was against Waziristan operation, which brought tremendous stability to Pakistan later on. So I do disagree with his policy there.
I don't see one meaningful measure taken either, all of IK's are naive and ad hoc. For example, an introductory course in taxation or even Econ 101 will tell you that these desperate indirect taxes will weigh the heaviest on low to middle income households and are in fact further going to deflate the economy. They dry up savings which in turn destroys investment and that's how you get lost in a low growth trap, as if we weren't already smack in the middle of it, now we are just burying ourselves further into it. The government doesn't generate much either because these taxes dry up spending as well. Low to Middle Income households are cost averse; If you increase the tax on item A, they reduce or stop consuming item A, respective to its elasticity of demand. Direct taxes on high income households was the only way to go, as proven the world over. Why didn't he or anyone else ever in Pakistan? Refer to the my first paragraph. I'd best not make this into an economics lecture.
You are correct, there is no denying that increase in indirect taxation will lead to a decrease in spending. However, this is not something that Khan ideally wanted, his speeches indicate that. Indirect taxes have been the poor country's way of levying taxes due to cash-dominated society where much of economy isn't documented. Hence the government documentation drive towards bring traders, shops, businesses under the tax net. You can see by their reaction that this is not going to be easy. Previous attempt had been tried during Musharraf's rule, which failed due to shutter down strikes.

Khan seems to be sticking to his guns and refuses to budge. The next phase will work to bring doctors, lawyers, registered companies & individuals consuming power & gas - but not filing taxes, etc under the radar. However, the indirect taxes will stay for now as the IMF requires this as an immediate step to plugging the deficit and right now, government badly needs the money. There was no way around this, there wasn't much time to react. My hope is that once economy is more documented and everyone is under the tax net, you will see less indirect taxes.

I don't deny that there is the influence of the rent-seeking mafia and industrialists in his policy making groups. That's why there were shady decisions in regards to tax waivers, subsidies. I disagreed with this completely. However, once there was change in finance team, I think some of those decisions were reversed.
I voted for him but I didn't expect much. The man has charisma but little else. Go back to everything that he has ever said, it's all hyperbole (ironically also the source of his charisma). From his idiotic stance on the TTP (which no one remembers anymore) to his taxation policies. Has he ever presented an economic framework? Or any tangible plan for anything else? The fact that he was still the best pick from the lot says a lot about our nation.
I'm not saying he's perfect, you can take a look at some of my previous posts. I think his unilateral peace overtures to India and handling of the Feb. 27th event was humiliating to watch. I don't like the hippy-type mentality, definitely can't fool me into believing that there will be peace with India. Neither do I think his policies on TTP were good, I thought army's decision to go to Waziristan after APS, was a good one. Pakistan, today, is a completely different country.
In short, it's the average people that are driving Pakistan into the ground. The politicians are just a result of it. The only difference is the opportunities that one has had. We snuff out talent, we snuff out ability, we destroy everything that is good on purpose and then go blame it all on someone else. Our's is a degenerate nation that is rife with dishonesty, inability and corruption. Everyone is in on it. Our culture is built upon it. Ability is looked at as a threat and attacked. Any sane voice is looked at as a threat and attacked. All think they are 'badmash' but everyone is instead a chor.
I can't deny this. People blame everyone, but themselves.
Build a safety net before you go, leave an escape route, be prepared to have the wind knocked out of you and give it everything you have. If you fail keep your chin up and return after a few years to try again.
Thanks.
 
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What do u plan to do? Teach ?

Extremely brave of you bhai. May Allah ta’ala make it easy for you. What do you do here?

I taught undergrad CS in Pakistan as well as in USA. I specialize in database design and ran a company that offered its services for process flow and work flow automation and optimization. Here I am working in the same area and hopefully I will begin teaching soon as well.

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Also this overseas class (in west), once they land in west, they develop kinda arrogance/superiority complex.---- "Pakistanis (in broken English accent) are jahil people"

Piaray Mohtaram, its about time you prove them wrong.
 
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Is 'Naya Pakistan' is truthfully new? It is hard for a cynic like me to believe because most of the faces are in fact old faces with a new 'Adress'. Here is an article from Dawn of today. Like everyone else, the writer is also rather subjective, but still, most things therein mentioned are true.



A tale of woe

Faizaan QayyumJuly 28, 2019

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The writer is a PhD student in urban/regional planning at the University of Illinois.
AFTER a Supreme Court intervention, Karachi’s Sea Breeze Plaza won’t be demolished for now. Imran Khan’s personal Banigala residence is all set to receive some form of permanent regulatory approval. Malik Riaz will facilitate the PTI’s Naya Pakistan Housing Programme, constructing new housing units in Rawalpindi/Islamabad.

These are in no particular order; nevertheless, there has to be some logic to these decisions. Sea Breeze was originally constructed as a medical facility, which was subsequently misused. The building’s occupants now say they are willing to hand it over; demolishing it, however, would directly affect at least 200 traders. And, of course, only Malik Riaz can build thousands of new housing units and deliver them in time.

But what else ties these decisions together?

That naya Pakistan is not a country for most of its own people. That executive, legislative, judicial and regulatory capture is now complete. Let me explain.

‘Naya’ Pakistan is just ‘purana’ Pakistan on steroids.

At least 12,000 Karachiites lost their homes, shops, and other spaces as part of the demolition drive ordered by the Supreme Court. They included people who had valid permits from various government offices. Some were in Empress Market, while many were unfortunate enough to live or conduct business along the Karachi Circular Railway track. Nothing in their plight — stories of despondency, destruction, and even death — could move any authority to deliver any form of relief. In the ill-informed and undue haste to ‘restore’ Karachi, we brought thousands of the urban poor to the streets. But of course, the 200 Sea Breeze traders had a different kind of access.

The story is similar in Islamabad. An ongoing demolition drive against khokhas has rendered hundreds jobless; why should we care that most were validly licensed to operate? By one count, around 500 khokhas were established after obtaining due permits from competent authorities. For years, they provided critical local needs of food, water, and a place to hang out in poor settlements and other areas with low commercial activity where formal restaurateurs wouldn’t venture. But, of course, a raging messiah quickly realised that Islamabad’s master plan didn’t permit the poor to eat.

However, did the same master plan allow for Imran Khan’s palatial mansion in Banigala? Never mind that the prime minister lives there! Ironically, Mr Khan’s own petitions in judicial forums have led to the demolition of dozens of buildings in Banigala, driving out his poorer neighbours even as his own mansion looks forward to some form of regularisation.

Master plans are always problematic. They reflect economic and political power structures without catering to the most downtrodden; on top is the wanton disregard in which the elite hold them. Khokhas and jhuggis, on the other hand, are poor families’ way out from their exclusion from master plans. This explains both the Banigala mansion and the appearance of slums and khokhas in Pakistan’s ‘only’ planned city.

Regularisation is thus not the problem. Instead, the question is: who gets what? Twelve thousand poor traders and slum dwellers can go to hell but not 200; 500 khokhas can be demolished but not one man’s palace. Refugees and migrants can be brutally evicted from informal settlements in Islamabad, but the same state can do nothing about senators occupying educational institutions’ lands in the heart of the same city. In fact, why not go even further and link a pro-poor housing project with the country’s biggest private encroacher in history (as established by the court)?

We’re driving out the urban poor from their ‘encroachments’ even as the government validates and further strengthens criminals. To rub salt into our wounds, our messiahs cite economic miseries to raise taxes, hike utility tariffs for the poorest, and reduce or eliminate subsidies even on critical facilities like urban transit.

Alongside, and in a parallel reality where our coffers are bursting at the seams, come the daftest policy moves — like the stock market bailout. When you have too much money, a market controlled by the most powerful few deserves more public billions than a transit system used by hundreds of thousands of people a day.

There are countless other examples. Only recently, we had the luggage plastic wrap fiasco. Can we not speculate that the regulator and executive both connived to invent a way for a blue-eyed bigot to make some money? And so what? Remember corporate tax cuts? Go back to purana Pakistan, and remember IPPs with billions of dollars in committed capacity payments?

This naya Pakistan is just purana Pakistan on steroids: those who can, get their way; those who can’t, get kicked; and political and judicial leaders continue to act oblivious to the plight of the people. Purana woe was us. Naya woe is us. And, for that, woe to our messiahs, and woe to us for so eagerly selecting them.

The writer is a PhD student in urban/regional planning at the University of Illinois.

faizaanq@gmail.com

Twitter: @faizaanq

Published in Dawn, July 28th, 2019

https://www.dawn.com/news/1496661/a-tale-of-woe
 
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Economy will not effect expats because they will bring their own economy with them. I will go back if human dignity is restored in Pakistan, such as:

1. if I am not harassed by police or any thug on the street asking me (dont you know who I am) and if someone does I can be sure I will get justice.
2. I don't have to order water tankers or look for sewer opener every few months so he can remove the block to let the drain open for few minutes before he puts it back.
3. If I don't have to stand in line to pay my bills, or renew my ID card or Passport or any other document.
4. I don't have to ask anyone if they know anyone in certain govt dept so I can get my righful and legal work done legally.
 
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