If Naya Pakistan Becomes Reality, Would You Go Back?

[Kabira]

Pakistan isnt going to get on level of Turkey economically anytime soon let alone western world. But law & order improvement can bring many expats back along with countless other foreign investors.

 

[war&peace]

I came to help establish it but seems like I came to early

You will do it inshaAllah bro ..don't worry

 

[guest9999]

What Imran khan is trying? Economic policy and decision making is in hand of IMF and its same Hafeez sheikh who served in PPP government? What change you will bring if your team is not competent. Honesty is one thing but competency is another.

Hafeez Sheikh is an "establishment" guy, Asad Umar was PTI and you saw how, despite being Imran's longtime friends, he was removed. Regardless of whoever comes, the policies will be the same. Pakistan has taken too much debt, no one is willing to loan anymore unless you promise to increase tax collection. Your exports have been decreasing and you are going through deindustrialization. Not many buy Pakistani products, so the rupee has no value on the market, that's why it is in a free fall. You can't borrow money to peg it either.

It doesn't matter if it's PTI, PML-N, or even martial-law-technocrat government, the end result will be the same. Just imagine you borrow loans to repay loans, but now your history & bad spending habits are visible to all lenders, so they don't loan you anything. You will be working 2-3 jobs, nearly 24 hours a day to repay those loans with very little money to spend on yourself, unless someone (GCC country) comes and drops a bag of cash at your doorstep.

People are just happy because Imran khan is handsome and make great speech without looking at parchi . I said it dozen times that running country with multiple is not one man job but you need competent team to accomplish your economic and social goal. You just need to go and ask poor people whether they are happy about PTI efforts so far because they will have to face issues like inflations, poor health education, unemployment housing crisis etc and they have given Imran khan 5 years to deliver and then they will not buy no more excuses

I have seen the poor people of Pakistan. They are not poor. Every Pakistani seems to think themselves to be "ghareeb awam". Then what is to be said about the truly poor people of rural Sindh, Balochistan, FATA?

What's worse is that I'm seeing people on ARY News complain about silly things like higher sugar prices, flour prices, and taxes and wanting to go back to Zardari goverment, pay bribes, live in a corrupt society?

Inflation happens everywhere and happens in every government. I remember there was a time when houses in the US cost 1/6th the price they do now. Americans pay massive portion of their income through taxes, a lot more than Pakistani's do. However, I don't see Americans protesting over high prices of food or increase in taxes. Pakistani's living in Pakistan pay a lot less in taxes than Pakistani's living abroad.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Unfortunately my relatives are passing away the ones I know ... and in 15-20 year time I won't know anyone who I physically relate to in Pakistan

 

[JamD]

I came to help establish it but seems like I came to early

Can you say a little more about your experience? Would be really interested in knowing. Thanks in advance.

 

[krash]

I came to help establish it but seems like I came to early

Preaching to the choir. It was a pretty big reality check for me, shattered quite a few lofted ideals.

 

[BRAVO_]

i love pakistan ... its because i have my childhood memories with the place .... and in my old ages defiantly i will return back dead .. or alive ....

 

[guest9999]

All that looks good in saying but the routes to success are still jammed by the old thoughts and methods

Preaching to the choir. It was a pretty big reality check for me, shattered quite a few lofted ideals.

The "Babus" are trying to sabotage IK government, through various places like FBR, police, judiciary, etc. It's a slow process. just remember, politicians have used the last 30 years to corrupt the institutions. Medicine will be bitter and painful.

If you are investing, my advice would be always do istikhaara. Please tells us your experience, if it's not too personal. Also, if you can give advice, please share.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Hafeez Sheikh is an "establishment" guy, Asad Umar was PTI and you saw how, despite being Imran's longtime friends, he was removed. Regardless of whoever comes, the policies will be the same. Pakistan has taken too much debt, no one is willing to loan anymore unless you promise to increase tax collection. Your exports have been decreasing and you are going through deindustrialization. Not many buy Pakistani products, so the rupee has no value on the market, that's why it is in a free fall. You can't borrow money to peg it either.

It doesn't matter if it's PTI, PML-N, or even martial-law-technocrat government, the end result will be the same. Just imagine you borrow loans to repay loans, but now your history & bad spending habits are visible to all lenders, so they don't loan you anything. You will be working 2-3 jobs, nearly 24 hours a day to repay those loans with very little money to spend on yourself, unless someone (GCC country) comes and drops a bag of cash at your doorstep.

I agree thats why I said its naïve to fool people with word " Tabdeeli" or " Naya Pakistan or Naya "quid E Azam" . There will be no miracle which will suddenly change the conditions of country so dont get votes by giving false hope and dream to people who are desperate for change

I have seen the poor people of Pakistan. They are not poor. Every Pakistani seems to think themselves to be "ghareeb awam". Then what is to be said about the truly poor people of rural Sindh, Balochistan, FATA?

What's worse is that I'm seeing people on ARY News complain about silly things like higher sugar prices, flour prices, and taxes and wanting to go back to Zardari goverment, pay bribes, live in a corrupt society?

Inflation happens everywhere and happens in every government. I remember there was a time when houses in the US cost 1/6th the price they do now. Americans pay massive portion of their income through taxes, a lot more than Pakistani's do. However, I don't see Americans protesting over high prices of food or increase in taxes. Pakistani's living in Pakistan pay a lot less in taxes than Pakistani's living abroad.

I dont agree with you here. Prices of food, utility and inflation matter for those who are earning 300 to 400 Rupees daily. Its fool to compare Pakistan with western developed countries where everyone can afford all basic necessities of life even if they are on minimum wages but there is no concept of minimum wages in Pakistan where even basic necessity is out of reach of common people. whenever I go and visit Pakistan then food prices over there are very much same as in UK but what about income of average household in Pakistan ? Is it same? NO so yes it matter for poor if price of Naan/roti suddenly jump from 10 to 20 Rupees in few days

 

[guest9999]

I dont agree with you here. Prices of food, utility and inflation matter for those who are earning 300 to 400 Rupees daily. Its fool to compare Pakistan with western developed countries where everyone can afford all basic necessities of life even if they are on minimum wages but there is no concept of minimum wages in Pakistan where even basic necessity is out of reach of common people. whenever I go and visit Pakistan then food prices over there are very much same as in UK but what about income of average household in Pakistan ? Is it same? NO so yes it matter for poor if price of Naan/roti suddenly jump from 10 to 20 Rupees in few days

That's why Hafeez Sheikh directly mentioned that person making 50,000 PKR a month or less is definitely poor, no income taxes for them. whereas people making much more than that have no right to be complaining about taxes or classifying themselves as "ghareeb".

West can cope with inflation because their society has industrialized, educated themselves, and have an abundance of jobs to enable that. These are all things that PML-N and PPP failed to do in their decades of rule - some are deliberately avoiding to do even now.

Pakistan is not a communist/socialist government that produces all food and can set prices everywhere. There are many middle men and distributors of food who hoard and jack up prices from their end. PTI has no way of stopping them. Inflation people are complaining about is largely out of their control. If anyone has some plan for stopping it, please share. Remember, even some of the better economies have hard time keeping inflation in check. It's even more difficult when that economy is as indebted as Pakistan.

PTI is providing subsidies for people who are legitimately poor, channeling BISP and Ehsaas programs to help them through inflation. For those crying that they are poor, but are not really, will have to pay their fair share of taxes. A shop-owner is not making as little as 300-400 PKR a month! Please avoid mixing up regular people with people who are legitimately poor.

For the record, food prices in Saudi were similar to prices in US, unless you go to small joints. Don't see people crying there. I have family in Pakistan, they make enough. Almost all avoid taxes. They form what is known as the black economy.

 

[VCheng]

I came to help establish it but seems like I came to early

Ah! It seems the realization is slowly sinking in, as it does, inevitably.

 

[Dubious]

The "Babus" are trying to sabotage IK government, through various places like FBR, police, judiciary, etc. It's a slow process. just remember, politicians have used the last 30 years to corrupt the institutions. Medicine will be bitter and painful.

If you are investing, my advice would be always do istikhaara. Please tells us your experience, if it's not too personal. Also, if you can give advice, please share.

Not in business
Experience hasnt been good but I dont wish to discourage anyone..It should be an experience on its own for many others! Coz mine is specifically mine catered to me due to a variety of reasons which wont be applicable on others ...But I didnt come for investment..

 

[Zibago]

This is a question directed towards Pakistani expats, "If PTI succeeds in establishing Naya Pakistan, would you go back to Pakistan?"

What would it take to make you go back? Please share!

I would like to see obviously:

• Improvement in Economy
• Pakistan becomes Export-Oriented Economy
• IT Industry takes off, with local version of Silicon Valley
• Improved Sewerage System, Better Toilets, Closed drain sinks
• More cleaner environment - no garbage dumps on side of roads
• Modern Infrastructure - better roads, high-speed railways

I dont know how to respond as I live in Islamabad so yeah I would go back from office to home

 

[Zee-shaun]

Yes I will go back after completing my studies and revolutionise the energy sector inshallah

 

[guest9999]

I dont know how to respond as I live in Islamabad so yeah I would go back from office to home

Let's put it this way, if Naya Pakistan becomes a reality, would you be less likely to leave? Would any relative of yours abroad, be willing to come back?

Not in business
Experience hasnt been good but I dont wish to discourage anyone..It should be an experience on its own for many others! Coz mine is specifically mine catered to me due to a variety of reasons which wont be applicable on others ...But I didnt come for investment..

I know someone willing to do business, but will wait a bit more for law & order situation to improve. I know expats will definitely feel more comfortable when the plots or houses they buy, won't get stolen by land mafia. I am waiting for PTI to require all plots be digitally recorded.