If Israel disappears, others will too

[Taimoor Khan]

Who is that someone else- is that Pakistan? Short of a nuclear weapon, which kills Palestine too(setting aside U.S. response);no Arab/muslim state can conventionally take on Isreal.

I will leave it to your imagination.

 

[19887]

If Israel is 'dissapears' - Justice will be restored.

Global justice will be done as soon as the world's left and radical Islam passes away
In the meantime you work, pay taxes and I spend them on the ranges every few months
And I have not even talked about three years of military service in which I spent all your taxes
In addition, you finance "apartheid and Zionist terror"
LOL
Every bomb that falls on Gaza is funded from your pocket, thank you very much!

 

[Jacob Martin]

We don't tolerate dictators and neither do our parties believe in it. We only go by democracy.

Is that so? Can you explain this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah–Hamas_conflict

 

[takeitwithyou]

I will leave it to your imagination.

Lol- why chicken out tough guy?

 

[khanz]

You should never stop trying to destroy an apartheid regime

I agree and I hope pakistanis have the same sentiments when it come to their own treatment of ahmadis.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Which Arab nation, government, regime, what kind of Arab intellectuals, influential Arabs, important religious figures etc. want to destroy Israel as in destroy the land and kill/remove all Israelis nowadays? As in realistically doing such a thing and pursuing this policy in 2017? Or Muslims for that matter? I don't see it.

This article is nonsense. 900 years of sovereign Arab rule and 1400 + years of Arab-majority (to this very day there are more Arabs in Palestine and Israel combined than Jews) and none of what this individual states in that article occurred.

ISIS at their might could not even remotely control all of Iraq let alone in Syria, yet we are to believe that if tiny Israel disappeared ISIS will suddenly control the Arab world (the size of Russia), all 20 + Arab countries and rule almost 500 million Arabs. Yeah, right.

Even funnier is the claim of tiny Iran (in comparison) trying to rule anything. The only reason why Iran has any influence in tiny Southern Lebanon and nowadays Iraq (overrated influence - the Iraqi government does not serve Iran but their own interests first and foremost and many of their interests clash with each other especially under Al-Abadi) is because those Arabs (Hezbollah and other groups) believe in what they believe in. Should Iran disappear tomorrow, yes, they would be weakened economically and politically, but their ideology/goals/manpower would remain the same. Thus this has nothing to do with Iran but internal Arab affairs similar to how it is in Iraq where Iraqi Sunni Arabs and Iraqi Shia Arabs have different political views and aspirations that at times clash. Just like in Syria where the small Arab Alawite minority is at odds with the Sunni Arab majority - something going way back (pre-modern-day Syria).

Besides Shia Arabs are a small minority compared to the Sunni Arab majority which by no means have any love left for Iran. Not that most Shia Arabs have that either.

In short, a garbage article although some of his criticism is correct, mostly aimed at wrong priorities by Arab regimes.

But this "ISIS and Iran stronk, we are coming to conquer the entire Arab world " is moronic scaremongering at best, which no sane Arab buys or any person with functioning brain cells for that matter. I have never heard about such theories either before today.

This individual, if he is even a Palestinian, is doing no favors for his people or anything. And everyone would prefer self-rule, even if under a dictator, than being at the mercy of a foreign occupier. In any case his claims about the future are bound in nothing but his own unsubstantiated views and overreactions to gain the awareness of the reader.

Criticizing the Arab regimes (Muslim regimes in general) is a sane thing to do as everyone can see that they are not doing their job right but there is a long way from that to writing absurd nonsense.

First of all, I have no idea who wrote this article or what it's purpose is for, and I'm not even gonna read it all. It's not important with the current events occurring elsewhere.

But, I will say, if Palestinians have an state, there would be no such 'dictatorship'. We don't tolerate dictators and neither do our parties believe in it. We only go by democracy. The only reason Abbas is able to stay in power in the West Bank, is because the Israeli military protects him from his own people. If elections were conducted, he would lose to an independent. Israel will not allow that independent to rule though. So the only 'dictatorship' here is the Likud-Abbas one.

It obviously either 1) propaganda or 2) some misguided individual making up his own unsubstantiated claims and doing everything in his power to somehow show that Israeli-occupation is a blessing in disguise that Palestinians and other Arabs somehow have not yet discovered. It's really absurd as I am yet to hear about such theories even among the conspiracy theory nuts in the Arab world. I would not take it seriously.

 

[Dark-Destroyer]

What country is this thread about?

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

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Mudar Zahran

If Israel disappears, others will too
Since 1948, we Arabs have been taught that all we need to do is get rid of the Jewish state, and ‎everything else will go well after that. Our dictators took full advantage of this idea. Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser locked up and executed his opposition members ‎using his famous excuse: "No voices are to be allowed except for those for the war with ‎Israel." Iraqi President Saddam Hussein adopted the Palestinian flag and had it ‎printed, distributed and flown alongside his own flag, and even said, "Palestine and Iraq share the same ‎identical cause." In short, we Arabs have put 70 years of our existence on hold while awaiting that ‎‎"glorious day" when we defeat Israel and "feed the Jews to the fish."

But that day did not come, nor does ‎it seem to be coming, as Jordanian opposition figure Emad Tarifi once told me: "It seems the fish in ‎the sea are not betting on us feeding them Jews." ‎

In addition, we Arabs have given our dictators carte blanche to impoverish, terrorize, oppress and ‎destroy us all in the name of "the great Arab struggle to end the Zionist entity." The outcome of this has ‎been clear: While Israel made 10 new breakthroughs in cancer and cardiac treatments in the last two years ‎alone, we Arabs developed new execution methods. The latest is death by drowning in a cage, as ‎shown in an Islamic State group video two weeks ago.‎

We Arabs have wasted seven decades of our existence awaiting Israel's demise. It is time to think of the future, and whether Israel's "disappearance" should be our ‎ultimate wish.‎

Being the son of two Palestinian-Jordanian refugees, I find myself inclined to fear for the future. Regardless of my stance toward Israel, I have to think: What would happen if, one day, Israel were to disappear? While it does not seem feasible, it is the day around which entire Arab political, social and economic systems revolve. ‎

It is not only Arabs who want Israel gone. There are others who seek the same, for ‎example anti-Semites in the West. Just last week, neo-Nazis marched in London with swastikas and the Palestinian flag. The organizer of the march claimed it was a protest "by all of those ‎who have suffered because of Israel." There are groups calling for a boycott of Israel "for ‎the sake of the Palestinian people." There are countries whose entire foreign policy seems to revolve around opposition to Israel. We ‎Palestinians might have believed that these groups and countries actually care about us, but they take no interest in the fate of the ‎‎150,000 Palestinians being starved to death in Syria's Yarmouk refugee camp, nor in an estimated ‎‎5.8 million Palestinians in Jordan (as indicated by a U.S. Embassy cable) who live as second-‎class citizens and are banned from government jobs and any form of state benefits while paying full taxes.‎

If these Israel-haters got their wish to see Israel disappear, what would ‎happen?‎

First, Israel is the only reason Iran does not yet have nuclear weapons. Iran could buy the ‎technology to produce them, or could learn it quickly the way Pakistan did. Why has Iran been slow in ‎doing so? Because it learned a lesson from the experience of Saddam's Osirak reactor, which Israeli jets reduced to rubble in 1981.‎

Then, almost everyone, including George H. W. Bush who was vice president of the United States at that time, were furious ‎with Israel's move. But 10 years later, when the U.S. fought to liberate Kuwait, ‎the situation would have been totally different if Saddam had kept his nuclear program -- and the only reason ‎he did not was Israel.‎

Further, Iran already controls at least a third of Iraq and its resources through a pro-Iranian ‎regime. If Israel were to disappear, Iran would extend its influence into Jordan, Kuwait and Bahrain ‎the next day, as it would not have to fear an Israeli reaction. Iran could then bring the world to its knees by reducing oil ‎production.

Iran is not the only evil power in the Middle East: We also have Islamic State, which has now spread across ‎Iraq, Syria, Sinai and Libya, with clear ambitions to enter Jordan. Islamic State has not entered Jordan yet, and this is not ‎because of any fear of the Jordanian army. After all, the Global Firepower website ranks Jordan's army at ‎the same level as the Iraqi army, which Islamic State has defeated many times. Islamic State does not dare enter Jordan for one reason only -- its fear that Israeli jets would catch up with it 15 minutes later.‎

If Israel were to disappear and be replaced by a Palestinian state, the Palestinians would most likely end up ‎with another Arab dictatorship that oppresses them and reduces them to poverty. We have partially ‎seen that with the Palestinian Authority and the "liberated" areas it rules. I regularly visit the West ‎Bank and have interviewed scores of Palestinians there. I can confirm that, as much as they hate ‎Israel, they still openly yearn for the days when it administered the West Bank. As one Palestinian told me, ‎‎"We prayed to God to give us mercy and rid us of Israel; later, we found out that God had ‎given us mercy when Israel was here."‎

To those Arabs, Muslims, Westerners and others insisting that Israel must be erased from face of the ‎planet, I say: Don't bet on it, as Israel is becoming stronger every day through its democracy and ‎innovation, while Arab countries are getting weaker through dictatorship and chaos. And be careful ‎what you wish for, because if you were to get it, you too would most likely disappear, unless you ‎yearn to be ruled by Iran or Islamic State.‎

In short, if the day were to come when Israel falls, Jordan, Egypt and many others would fall, too, and ‎Westerners would be begging Iran for oil.‎

We can hate Israel as much as we like, but we must realize that without it, we too would be ‎gone.‎

Mudar Zahran is a Jordanian-Palestinian who resides in the U.K. Follow Zahran on Twitter @mudar_zahran.

How much did it cost Israel to pay off this guy? Stop living in your fantasy land Israelis, until you get out no one will like you or your presence.

 

[19887]

How much did it cost Israel to pay off this guy? Stop living in your fantasy land Israelis, until you get out no one will like you or your presence.

Dear ignorant PDF member
It seems that you have a problem in reading comprehension
In addition, you also think that Israel pays journalists
The man who wrote the article is "Palestinian"
No one in Israel has lived in the fantasy that Arabs will love us
No one wants you to love us, on the contrary in Israel this is interpreted as a risk in a certain sense
I decided to share this article for the simple reason that it is important to present more views than the accepted views of most of the forum.
Somehow you chose to see other things here, I don't blame you for it, it's probably your culture that blinds you.
have a nice day

 

[The SC]

Be all scared from mosquito Usrael, it has its mythological Samson option!

 

[19887]

Be all scared from mosquito Usrael, it has its mythological Samson option!

How does this sentence relate to the subject?
If you don't have anything good or smart to say, then shut up!
Don't destroy the thread.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

The man who wrote the article is "Palestinian"

When have I ever denied that? How much did you pay the Palestinian to have him make this propaganda? Or did you blackmail him by threatening to kill his family? My culture spawned your culture so maybe you should be aware that you are insulting yourself "ignorant" PDF member.

Be all scared from mosquito Usrael, it has its mythological Samson option!

I am shaking in my boots as we speak.

 

[theman111]

no one talk on china taking the islands in south china sea and usa took from mexico alot of train
if palastine will get acountry how much time before they callpse ?

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

no one talk on china taking the islands in south china sea and usa took from mexico alot of train
if palastine will get acountry how much time before they callpse ?

There is a language that is supposed to be used on this forum. It's called English, learn some of it.

 

[19887]

When have I ever denied that? How much did you pay the Palestinian to have him make this propaganda? Or did you blackmail him by threatening to kill his family? My culture spawned your culture so maybe you should be aware that you are insulting yourself "ignorant" PDF member.

Can't you just accept that someone give a different opinion?
Why should all Arabs think in the same direction? And if he does not think like you, then he is Israel's collaborator?
Jewish culture is Jewish culture,Arab culture is Arab culture
There is no connection between them.