If Germany had not lost World War I, would the world be a better place?

[Major d1]

If Germany did not lose World War I, by reaching an agreement with the French and English about withdrawing to pre-war positions on the Western front with the Germans vacating Belgium, then it would have been possible that the Kaiser would not have abdicated while at the same time, German territorial gains in the East would have been intact.

I am enclosing a map of German and Austro Hungarian territorial gains after they signed the treaty of Brest-Litovsk with the Bolsheviks in 1918.

In the treaty, Bolshevik Russia ceded the Baltic States and Polish areas to Germany; these were meant to become German vassal states under German Regents.

Russia also ceded its province of Kars Oblast in the South Caucasus to the Ottoman Empire and recognized the independence of Ukraine.

Furthermore, Russia agreed to pay six billion German gold marks in reparations.

If the Germans had a strong central government which had successfully crushed the Socialist uprisings which broke out in their country 1918, then this was very much a possibility.

The Germans should have played their cards very carefully and should not have given America any reason to join the First World War on the side of Allies in 1917 .

It was America's entry in the war in 1917 which emboldened and strengthened the position of the allies - Britain and France and forced the Germans to sue for peace in November 1918.

The American entry into World War I came on April 6th 1917, after two and a half years of efforts by President Woodrow Wilson to keep the United States neutralduring World War I.

This initiated involvement of the United States in World War I. Apart from anAnglophile element supporting the British, American public opinion went along strongly with neutrality at first.

The sentiment for neutrality in America was strong among Irish Americans, German Americans and Swedish Americans and would have been upheld if the Germans had not precipitated the Zimmerman crisis which forced the US to declare war on Germany in 1917.

At the beginning of 1917, Germany decided to resume all-out submarine warfare on every commercial ship headed toward Britain, without realizing that this decision would almost certainly mean war with the United States. Germany also offered a military alliance to Mexico in the Zimmermann Telegram. Publication of that offer outraged Americans just as German U-boats (submarines) started sinking American ships in the North Atlantic. Wilson asked Congress for "a war to end all wars" that would "make the world safe for democracy", and Congress voted to declare war on Germany on April 6, 1917.

On December 7, 1917, the US declared war on the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Without America's entry in the war in 1917 it is very likely that Britain and France would have reached an agreement with Germans in 1918 had the Germans been more flexible about withdrawing from Belgium.

In such a scenario, Germans would have ended the war with a vast amount of territory added to the Reich in the East and all would have ended well.

A German accommodation with the West in 1918 would have prevented the rise of Hitler, World War II, the Holocaust and the Cold War.

The British and French governments were in anycase unsympathetic to the new Bolshevik government in Russia and would not have bothered about the territorial gains made by the Germans in the East at the cost of Russia.

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[shhh]

If Germany did not lose World War I, by reaching an agreement with the French and English about withdrawing to pre-war positions on the Western front with the Germans vacating Belgium, then it would have been possible that the Kaiser would not have abdicated while at the same time, German territorial gains in the East would have been intact.

I am enclosing a map of German and Austro Hungarian territorial gains after they signed the treaty of Brest-Litovsk with the Bolsheviks in 1918.

In the treaty, Bolshevik Russia ceded the Baltic States and Polish areas to Germany; these were meant to become German vassal states under German Regents.

Russia also ceded its province of Kars Oblast in the South Caucasus to the Ottoman Empire and recognized the independence of Ukraine.

Furthermore, Russia agreed to pay six billion German gold marks in reparations.

If the Germans had a strong central government which had successfully crushed the Socialist uprisings which broke out in their country 1918, then this was very much a possibility.

The Germans should have played their cards very carefully and should not have given America any reason to join the First World War on the side of Allies in 1917 .

It was America's entry in the war in 1917 which emboldened and strengthened the position of the allies - Britain and France and forced the Germans to sue for peace in November 1918.

The American entry into World War I came on April 6th 1917, after two and a half years of efforts by President Woodrow Wilson to keep the United States neutralduring World War I.

This initiated involvement of the United States in World War I. Apart from anAnglophile element supporting the British, American public opinion went along strongly with neutrality at first.

The sentiment for neutrality in America was strong among Irish Americans, German Americans and Swedish Americans and would have been upheld if the Germans had not precipitated the Zimmerman crisis which forced the US to declare war on Germany in 1917.

At the beginning of 1917, Germany decided to resume all-out submarine warfare on every commercial ship headed toward Britain, without realizing that this decision would almost certainly mean war with the United States. Germany also offered a military alliance to Mexico in the Zimmermann Telegram. Publication of that offer outraged Americans just as German U-boats (submarines) started sinking American ships in the North Atlantic. Wilson asked Congress for "a war to end all wars" that would "make the world safe for democracy", and Congress voted to declare war on Germany on April 6, 1917.

On December 7, 1917, the US declared war on the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Without America's entry in the war in 1917 it is very likely that Britain and France would have reached an agreement with Germans in 1918 had the Germans been more flexible about withdrawing from Belgium.

In such a scenario, Germans would have ended the war with a vast amount of territory added to the Reich in the East and all would have ended well.

A German accommodation with the West in 1918 would have prevented the rise of Hitler, World War II, the Holocaust and the Cold War.

The British and French governments were in anycase unsympathetic to the new Bolshevik government in Russia and would not have bothered about the territorial gains made by the Germans in the East at the cost of Russia.

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No It would not have been a better place, German's first war was imperialism.
There second war was against jews and imperialism.

Imperialists does not stop at their first victory, remember Soviets?
Racists does not stop after exterminating their first enemy race, hitler had killed a lot of Muslims too.

If Germany had won the war we would today have a much more hatred-filled, racist and tyrant USA.

 

[Major d1]

Agreed. I just geo-graphically pointed the issue.

 

[shhh]

Agreed. I just geo-graphically pointed the issue.

I understand.

 

[BRAVO_]

frankly .. if the Germans lost the war so does the England because right after the world war British empire in which sun was never set .. shrink in to a tinny part at the corner of Europe and that is how Pakistan and many other countries came in to being as a free countries

 

[Hamza913]

I have an extremely unpopular opinion among my friends that I actually think if the Germans won WW1/WW2, it could have been better for Muslims. Not that I like Naziism, but I do think them winning would have been better for Muslims.

I mean, there would be no Israel and the Ottoman Empire could have still stuck together so Muslims would be more unified and powerful too.

 

[Major d1]

Ottoman caliphate was their nightmare. For destroying that caliphate IHUDI- NASARA did plan for 200 years.

 

[The Eagle]

Always give the credit where it is due in-case of copying from any source, in the end of OP.

https://www.quora.com/If-Germany-had-not-lost-World-War-I-would-the-world-be-a-better-place

 

[Major d1]

Always give the credit where it is due in-case of copying from any source, in the end of OP.

https://www.quora.com/If-Germany-had-not-lost-World-War-I-would-the-world-be-a-better-place

See the last line. where i wrote- Ref:Internet-

 

[Clutch]

No It would not have been a better place, German's first war was imperialism.
There second war was against jews and imperialism.

Imperialists does not stop at their first victory, remember Soviets?
Racists does not stop after exterminating their first enemy race, hitler had killed a lot of Muslims too.

If Germany had won the war we would today have a much more hatred-filled, racist and tyrant USA.

I think the thread was about just WWI not II. But i agree the dynamics were different between the two.

 

[The Sandman]

hitler had killed a lot of Muslims too.

Where and when?

 

[The Eagle]

See the last line. where i wrote- Ref:Internet-

Not a proper way, check forum terms & rules for the same. You are copying stuff from a source while using Internet so the source must be mentioned to credit.

 

[Clutch]

I have an extremely unpopular opinion among my friends that I actually think if the Nazi's won WW2, it could have been better for Muslims. Not that I like Naziism, but I do think them winning would have been better for Muslims.

I mean, there would be no Israel and the Ottoman Empire could have still stuck together so Muslims would be more unified and powerful too.

I think the Muslims would have faired bad in either case... because irrespective of who would have won WWII or I... the muslims would have been in the same predicament. That's because we lagged behind in the human development index. Our main main problem is the muslims themselves. With respect with the south Asian diaspora the muslims were not served well by our cleft who told us that learning English was a sin and to just dwell in foregone Mogul era... we fell behind and are paying for it till today...

Where and when?

North Africa.. He was no friend of the "sub races"

Ottoman caliphate was their nightmare. For destroying that caliphate IHUDI- NASARA did plan for 200 years.

The ottoman empire was called the sick man of Europe. Because it had fallen behind in every aspect and was living in the past. Corruption and lack of freedom of thought ruined it... Muslim Empires were known for their openess and willingness to adopt to new realities... instead they fell back and did a injustice to the "ummah" ... in the subcontinent the muslims blindly supported the turks while the Arabs resented their ruthlessness.

 

[Major d1]

Not a proper way, check forum terms & rules for the same. You are copying stuff from a source while using Internet so the source must be mentioned to credit.

I think u have no idea about the ref point means what. No offence. When i wrote Ref- Internet . It means i collected info from internet. Also add my point of view. if i add my view or analysis, then i write ......bla bla bla and edited. when u upload a pic, then y u just copy the image address? it doesn't go against forum rules?

 

[Henry ME 95]

Let's see.
Had we won the war first of all those Balkan terrorists would have been crushed (serbian nationalists to this day still worship princip) which would have avoided the Yugoslav wars of secession in the 1990s preventing the deaths of multiple Croatians, Bosnian Muslims & Albanians in Kosovo (although the last is debatable as the Albanian majority only came because of Enver Hoxha's purges & crackdowns). the ottoman empire would have survived & rebounded from it's stagnation due to the oil boom (in addition with the ottomans in full strength there would have been no Zionist-Jewish state in Palestine ensuring the M.E would be every bit as prosperous as Europe), without Hitler & the commies rising to power & under German leadership i think eastern Europe would also have been much better off.
the British empire would have also fully lost it's former image of an unbreakable empire would would have likely lead to nationalist movements throughout the empire to gain Independence. France would still go through a depression & would still want to go to war with Germany over Alsace-Lorraine.
& without world war 2 65 million or so people would have survived
All in all yes it would be a better world. However to say it would be perfect wouldn't be true.. I imagine there would still be a pacific war with japan of some sort, the communists in Russia unless fully toppled would still carry out their monstrosities & the Austro-Hungarian empire would likely go into civil war after WW1 due to the Balkan & Slavic nationalists partnered with the death of kaiser Franz Josef in 1916. that said a prosperous middle east & the protection of the German monarchy would be well worth it.