Identity Pakistan, Ideology Islam

[niaz]

Incorrect! Quad was against secularism! He wanted an Islamic system as evident in the later part of his history! So you secularists should stop quoting only what you deemed fit!

Our Ideology is that of Allama Iqbal, a true Islamic nation! Quad supported that!

Here we go again. How many times this debate will recur? I have seen Pakistan since her birth. Read articles and listened to speeches by various Independent leaders.

In my view the situation is:

Both Quaid and Allama Iqbal were not secularists but they were vehemently against theocracy.

Remember Iqbal states ‘Deen e mulla sara sar fassad’ Or Mussalman ko jo hai Hind main sajde ke ijazat, nadaan ye samajhta hai kai Islam hai azad.

There was strong opposition to Pakistan movement as well as the Two Nation theory by JUI and Deobandi Ulemas led by Sheikhul Hind Syed Ahmad Madani. I saw a couple of articles in the Jang a few days back by a Deobandi mulla who was trying to re-write history by denying that a rift existed. My late father who, as a student was a Muslim League activist, used to have a file with press cutting of speeches by Majlis Ahrar and other Deobandi religious parties of the early 1940s where Two Nation Theory as well as the Quaid and Allama Iqbal were denounced.

For the nth time I restate what I believe. In Allama Iqbal's and Quaid's Pakistan, all citizens regardless of the religion were equal. Why people ignored the last speech by the Quaid on 11th August 1947 is beyond me.

The confusion has been caused by Ch Mohd Ali getting Liaqat Ali Khan to pass the Objective Resolution in 1948.

Masses have been seduced by the Deobandi parties who despite denouncing Sir Syed Ahmad Khan, Allama Iqbal and Quaide Azam have hijacked Pakistan with only one aim, to grab power. The same Deobandi Scholars (Manawar Hasan of JI) support Taliban. Just look at the current mess Pakistan is in, TTP and all her allied parties belong to Deobandi maslak. They know that they will never win thru ballot box and can only come power thru guns. That is why JI supported usurper Zia and now supports Sufi Mohamad and Taliban!

A land where Muslims are free to practice Islam and Islamic theocratic state are two completely different things. It is a pity that many of my fellow country don’t understand this.

Pakistan ka matlab kiya , la illah iLallah was never a slogan of the Muslim League or her founding fathers. Pakistan was only meant to save Muslims of the subcontinent from being overwhelmed by the vast Hindu majority, that is all.

 

[peacecracker]

A land where Muslims are free to practice Islam and Islamic theocratic state are two completely different things. It is a pity that many of my fellow country don’t understand this.

Isn't Democracy Shirk?
the concept of Ummah and Khilafat are still valid;isn't it?Muslim Majority Country can not stay away from fullness(shariat) .why should pakistani's oppose? I would like to know the common men's thought about this in Pakistan.

Anywhere in the world ,be it chechnia or kashmir or palestine ,Muslims fights for Ummah.Can anyone Deny this?

http://www.islamicawakening.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=1052

Sooner or Later(before 2050?) a conflict between Islamic World and Infidels are inevitable(Or is it started?) IIIrd World war ? which will bring an end to the infidels rule.

Infidels media is spreading wrong informations.especially the website faithfreedom.
If this is the third world war, we’re losing - Times Online

 

[niaz]

Isn't Democracy Shirk?
the concept of Ummah and Khilafat are still valid;isn't it?Muslim Majority Country can not stay away from fullness(shariat) .why should pakistani's oppose? I would like to know the common men's thought about this in Pakistan.

Anywhere in the world ,be it chechnia or kashmir or palestine ,Muslims fights for Ummah.Can anyone Deny this?

IslamicAwakening.Com: The Islamic Caliphate

Sooner or Later(before 2050?) a conflict between Islamic World and Infidels are inevitable(Or is it started?) IIIrd World war ? which will bring an end to the infidels rule.

Infidels media is spreading wrong informations.especially the website faithfreedom.
If this is the third world war, we’re losing - Times Online

Hon Sir,

You have given reference to a Khilafat Site and trying to imply that this applies to all Muslims. It would like me referring to a Hiduvta site and implying that all Hindus believe in it.

It is also wrong to consider democracy ‘Shirk’. Arab culture was a tribal, where all members of the tribe are considered equal. Early Islamic governments were also democratic in nature. The great Caliph Hazrat Omer (RA) had a council of advisors called Majlis Shura to help him run the ever increasing area under Islamic domain.

One can arguably say that first four rightly guided Caliphs were essentially democratic where an ordinary believer could stand up in the Mosque (main place of gathering at that time) and ask ‘Oh Omer. Please explain how you came by this new garment”.

Possibly the only undemocratic thing was the basis that Caliph must be chosen from with in the Quraish; tribe of the Prophet (PBUH). It was with the advent of the Umayyad Caliphate that elected Caliphs turned into hereditary kings. Line of hereditary Caliphs from the Quraish ended with the sacking of Baghdad by Halaku Khan in 1258 when last of the Abbasid Caliph Al Mustasin was killed.

Shirk is basically associated with assigning powers reserved for Allah which challenges the concept of Tawheed such as worshipping idols or asking a dead or living person to grant a boon such as an offspring to a childless couple. IMO it has got nothing to do with form of government.

 

[peacecracker]

@niaz: your way of thought sounds like what some calls as a "Moderate Muslim".Mind it Buddy ,There is No Voice for Moderate Muslims among the really faithful.but most schools of Islam will not recommend the Current Democracy which does not allow the Rule of Islam - Sharia.