IDEAS 2016 Preview: Blitzkrieg Solution MRAP to be unveiled on IDEAS 2016

[Fenrir]

Looks can be deceiving and drawing any conclusions from simple pictures is very difficult. Dingo doesn't have a noticeably distinctive hull shape and looking at the type from several different profiles, it can be easy to miss that it is infact a V-hulled vehicle and is used to support EOD operations.

By contrast, the Pakistani also doesn't clearly present its hull shape either, but was clearly designed to be mine and ambush resistant - and makes a point to be presented as such. Its level of protection can't be gauged from pictures alone, but it's shaping and features such as reinforced windows and tires hints at its usage.

All in all it looks nice, I don't really care fore the choice in armament, but the only major issues with the type would be ground clearance and center of gravity, both of which can't easily be derived from pictures alone.

 

[Tipu7]

Pakistan Have about Dozen Dingo in its arsenal and there is similarity in design of Blitzkrieg APC and Dingo in lower hull .....

By contrast, the Pakistani also doesn't clearly present its hull shape either, but was clearly designed to be mine and ambush resistant - and makes a point to be presented as such.

 

[Fenrir]

there is similarity in design of Blitzkrieg APC and Dingo in lower hull .....

I'm not sure which pics you're looking at, but the similarities between the two designs - apart from being mine resistant vehicles - aren't very pronounced. The wheel well sure, but it's just a standard design on an MRAP-type:

Comparing the Blitzkrieg design with Dingo... I'm not really noticing a resemblance, tbh.

Pakistan Have about Dozen Dingo in its arsenal.

Pictures? Forgive my cynicism, but for any system, someone on this forum claims Pakistan has a few dozen of them, often without providing any evidence to support that claim.

EDAs from Euro stocks in Afghanistan may have been transferred to Pakistan, specifically from German stocks, but I'd like pictures too.

 

[Khafee]

Pictures? Forgive my cynicism, but for any system, someone on this forum claims Pakistan has a few dozen of them, often without providing any evidence to support that claim.

EDAs from Euro stocks in Afghanistan may have been transferred to Pakistan, specifically from German stocks, but I'd like pictures too.

A lot of NATO hardware was distributed between Afghanistan and Pakistan, when some members of NATO withdrew from A'stan. The quantities were obviously limited, maybe that's why they are sparingly used, and out of the public eye.

 

[Inception-06]

@Sarge have you checked this topic ? BLITZKRIEG solutions !

 

[kaonalpha]

The Hamza 8×8 has been setup in hall 6 at expo centre karachi. To those who are based in karachi you can either fill your online registration form or you can go to the sports opposite to the National Cricket Stadium to get your self registered and get your passes.
Civilians and forces alike will be entertained.

Remember your CNIC (Valid !) Is your pass. Providing false information or presenting any other id except for servicemen will not gaurentee your entry. Registration will begin from 20th.
.
No money will be taken for the passes. Please bring money for the food stalls that have been exclusively setup to cater the demands of Forces and civilians alike.

 

[Thunder.Storm]

Sir can you see my flags ? I think, I know a bit more.

was unable to see flags in phone now can see in pc.

 

[Tipu7]

 

[Path-Finder]

Friend, i lived and slept with casspirs, buffels, ratels, mambas for over a decade and had one major landmine go off under one. The questions i asked are relevant if you are working in this field.

This casspir says it all and answers the question. thank you. Maybe there are srilankan people around who used buffels and they will tell you.

Another variant - just some tests to undergo for QA.

For those affectionados for Top Gear; here is the Marauder/Nyala/Mamba/RG32. This is the lower tier of mineproof.

If one wants to build up experience, then one needs to study from ground level from Chimurenga experience in rhodesia.

No doubt South Africa are leaders in MRAP type vehicles. I don't know why expertise were not roped in from SA for development of MRAP but hey that how it is.

 

[denel]

No doubt South Africa are leaders in MRAP type vehicles. I don't know why expertise were not roped in from SA for development of MRAP but hey that how it is.

Yes, we were not the founders but Rhodesian farmers. We learnt having to deal with mines in 1974 Angola campaign.

All US mine proof vehicles are based on South african pedigree - our engineers were in the US where DoD was using them to come up with Oshkosh etc - those are based on Casspir chassis. It is also not just a basic V but multiple areas you have to deal with. If you look at the video - and that is reality - we had a landmine go off under a buffel - we just changed the tyre and moved on - that is what is needed - complete independence from massive logistic lines and being able ot deal with situations.

Denel dynamics and Paramount are making a lot of jv in many countries e.g. azerbaijan, saudi etc using similar blueprints and other countries call it their own. I guess 30 years of living and breathing this work makes it valueable.

 

[YeBeWarned]

The Hamza 8×8 has been setup in hall 6 at expo centre karachi. To those who are based in karachi you can either fill your online registration form or you can go to the sports opposite to the National Cricket Stadium to get your self registered and get your passes.
Civilians and forces alike will be entertained.

Remember your CNIC (Valid !) Is your pass. Providing false information or presenting any other id except for servicemen will not gaurentee your entry. Registration will begin from 20th.
.
No money will be taken for the passes. Please bring money for the food stalls that have been exclusively setup to cater the demands of Forces and civilians alike.

Any idea if Camera's are allowed ?? for Civilians ?

 

[Zarvan]

Yes, we were not the founders but Rhodesian farmers. We learnt having to deal with mines in 1974 Angola campaign.

All US mine proof vehicles are based on South african pedigree - our engineers were in the US where DoD was using them to come up with Oshkosh etc - those are based on Casspir chassis. It is also not just a basic V but multiple areas you have to deal with. If you look at the video - and that is reality - we had a landmine go off under a buffel - we just changed the tyre and moved on - that is what is needed - complete independence from massive logistic lines and being able ot deal with situations.

Denel dynamics and Paramount are making a lot of jv in many countries e.g. azerbaijan, saudi etc using similar blueprints and other countries call it their own. I guess 30 years of living and breathing this work makes it valueable.

Pakistan should get MRAP from South Africa with TOT. South Africa is making seriously good MRAP and we badly need them due to urban and guerrilla warfare we are experiencing

 

[Max]

looking great.. Hope vehicle pass all tests and soon join PA..

 

[thrilainmanila]

i'll be honest i've always found myself disappointed with ideas defence exhibition, they fail to show anything major which we don't already know about. The main part of the defence exhibition is showing off the AL-Khalid on the mud track. thats about it.

 

[Fenrir]

i'll be honest i've always found myself disappointed with ideas defence exhibition, they fail to show anything major which we don't already know about.

To be fair that's just how defense expos are, not just IDEAS. I've been to Modern Marine, worked a booth at AUSA, been to ISDEF and Eurosatory. They're all the same. Look at China's recent Zhuhai Airshow, was there much that wasn't shown before or we didn't know about? J-31, J-20, various armored vehicles, UAVs and anti-tank weapons... it's all stuff we already knew about, some was only just being shown publically or officially, but we already knew about practically everything at the show.

Expos like these (this one from Poland - link to the thread) are about impressing domestic audiences, international prestige and military contracts for gear that is often experimental or out-of-pocket for the company and they need to impress the military to recoup some of their losses, or else the R&D and development costs are largely wasted.

I've worked a few and been to plenty, they're all about money and impressions, but showing off new or previously unseen gear isn't much of a priority, and will typically be done behind scenes away from prying eyes.