IAF takes a candid look at the 1965 war

[Windjammer]

Albeit, the term pre-emptive is a misnomer but first time in history, the Indian Air Force has admitted losing 35 aircraft in the two initial ground strikes by the PAF. However, the overall claims of losing on 59 aircraft and destroying 43 PAF aircraft is certainly far from the truth as in the past IAF has even admitted losing 75 aircraft'
Since in 1965, PAF was only operating American types of combat planes, thus US was able to verify that PAF lost less than 20 aircraft through out the war.


IAF takes a candid look at the 1965 war

It was the first air battle between India and Pakistan. The Indian Air Force was numerically superior, with 28 combat squadrons to PAF's 11, but it was saddled with technologically inferior fighters. And, caught off-guard by the PAF offensive, India had lost 35 of its aircraft on the ground during pre-emptive strikes — one on Pathankot on September 6 and then on Kalaikunda, a day later.
IAF's latest history of its operations in the 1965 war acknowledges it "suffered disproportionately higher losses" than PAF.

Read more:
IAF takes a candid look at the 1965 war - The Times of India

 

[rockstarIN]

Why change the thread heading?

IAF takes a candid look at the 1965 war - The Times of India

 

[P.K.]

Why change the thread heading?

IAF takes a candid look at the 1965 war - The Times of India

To release some Jammed Wind !!!!

 

[Perpendicular]

In all, IAF lost 59 out of its inventory of 460 aircraft, while PAF lost 43 of its 186 aircraft during the war. IAF grappled with first-generation subsonic fighters like Vampire and Dassault Toofani as well as second-generation transonic ones like Mystere, Hawker Hunter and Gnats, apart from the bomber-interdictor Canberra. It had just a handful of third-generation supersonic MiG-21s, which were then being acquired from Russia and would remain its mainstay for decades to come.

But Pakistan, which had cosied up to the US by the mid-1950s, was equipped with F-86 Sabre jets, F-104 Starfighters and B-57 Martin Canberras, along with much-better better weapons and radars. Moreover, 13 of IAF's 28 squadrons had been deployed in the eastern and central sectors to tackle the Chinese threat.

"Whereas Pakistan was fighting on one front, India had to be ready on more than one and therefore had to divide and conserve her resources accordingly," says the book. Replete with veteran accounts of riveting dogfights and bombing missions, it calculates that the effective ratio of combat squadrons between IAF and PAF was 12:10.

"There is no doubt that Indian losses in aircraft were higher and Pakistan has tried to use just this figure alone to proclaim its victory...Nothing could be farther from the truth," says the book. In the final analysis, despite initial reverses, India was able to successfully thwart Pakistan's grand design through Operation Gibraltar and Operation Grand Slam to wrest Kashmir in the official 22-day war.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Albeit, the term pre-emptive is a misnomer but first time in history, the Indian Air Force has admitted losing 35 aircraft in the two initial ground strikes by the PAF. However, the overall claims of losing on 59 aircraft and destroying 43 PAF aircraft is certainly far from the truth as in the past IAF has even admitted losing 75 aircraft'
Since in 1965, PAF was only operating American types of combat planes, thus US was able to verify that PAF lost less than 20 aircraft through out the war.


IAF takes a candid look at the 1965 war

It was the first air battle between India and Pakistan. The Indian Air Force was numerically superior, with 28 combat squadrons to PAF's 11, but it was saddled with technologically inferior fighters. And, caught off-guard by the PAF offensive, India had lost 35 of its aircraft on the ground during pre-emptive strikes — one on Pathankot on September 6 and then on Kalaikunda, a day later.
IAF's latest history of its operations in the 1965 war acknowledges it "suffered disproportionately higher losses" than PAF.

Read more:
IAF takes a candid look at the 1965 war - The Times of India

OK ji congrats

but did that help Pakistan get kashmir for which it initiated the 1965 war with india or did its internation repute grew for this

 

[rezangahir]

In the war between India and Pakistan in 1965 air superiority was never contested, air power was largely restricted to ground support and the air war came to an early halt as a result of shortage of spares and weapons imposed by international embargo.

Tony Mason

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Considering the ZERO morale of Indian Army and Air force due to 1962
our performance was very very good

It is NOT easy to recover in THREE years

 

[Force-India]

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In the war between India and Pakistan in 1965 air superiority was never contested, air power was largely restricted to ground support and the air war came to an early halt as a result of shortage of spares and weapons imposed by international embargo.

Tony Mason

Nice find

 

[Windjammer]

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In the war between India and Pakistan in 1965 air superiority was never contested, air power was largely restricted to ground support and the air war came to an early halt as a result of shortage of spares and weapons imposed by international embargo.

Tony Mason

There's no fun when it's easy to burst the Indian bubble.
Ask any kid on the street, how many Canberra did IAF lose in the strike on Kalaikunda, on 7th September also mentioned in the OP as the cause of major loss. The main reason for No 14 PAF squadron to earn the term''Tailchoppers'' .
Even by conservative estimates, the IAF lost 15 aircraft on ground that day including 11 Canberra bombers. Add to that those lost during rest of the war....now check the ridiculous table that you posted. Ignoring all other major discrepancies, the table shows a total of only four Canberra lost through out the war.

 

[rezangahir]

@Windjammer

You never bust any bubble but always end up tagging mods after embarrasing yourself ....so why don't you stick to your usual gay sources and random tweets ...i only corroborated the op 35 ~ aircrafts destroyed on ground.

And Paf fuked up in 65 even after it was the first force in south asia to be equipped with AA missile ...while indian ground forces were entrenched in fertile plains of Pakistan punjab.

so much for air dominance and Sidewinder

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Windjammer
We hit you so HARD in 1965 that by the time of the ceasefire you
were BLEEDING white ( to be polite )

PS
I can frame the same sentence in very rude language

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

In all, IAF lost 59 out of its inventory of 460 aircraft, while PAF lost 43 of its 186 aircraft during the war. IAF grappled with first-generation subsonic fighters like Vampire and Dassault Toofani as well as second-generation transonic ones like Mystere, Hawker Hunter and Gnats, apart from the bomber-interdictor Canberra. It had just a handful of third-generation supersonic MiG-21s, which were then being acquired from Russia and would remain its mainstay for decades to come.

But Pakistan, which had cosied up to the US by the mid-1950s, was equipped with F-86 Sabre jets, F-104 Starfighters and B-57 Martin Canberras, along with much-better better weapons and radars. Moreover, 13 of IAF's 28 squadrons had been deployed in the eastern and central sectors to tackle the Chinese threat.

"Whereas Pakistan was fighting on one front, India had to be ready on more than one and therefore had to divide and conserve her resources accordingly," says the book. Replete with veteran accounts of riveting dogfights and bombing missions, it calculates that the effective ratio of combat squadrons between IAF and PAF was 12:10.

"There is no doubt that Indian losses in aircraft were higher and Pakistan has tried to use just this figure alone to proclaim its victory...Nothing could be farther from the truth," says the book. In the final analysis, despite initial reverses, India was able to successfully thwart Pakistan's grand design through Operation Gibraltar and Operation Grand Slam to wrest Kashmir in the official 22-day war.

Lol 43?

Indo-Pakistani Air War of 1965 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Neutral claims for India is 60-70 neutral claims for Pakistani casualties is 20.

Pakistan still got humiliated overall in that war . They started that wr so that they could end up defending Lahore ....lol

India also got humiliated when they said they were going to drink tea in Lahore.

@Windjammer
We hit you so HARD in 1965 that by the time of the ceasefire you
were BLEEDING white ( to be polite )

PS
I can frame the same sentence in very rude language

How exactly did you hit us hard?

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

 

[Windjammer]

@Windjammer

You never bust any bubble but always end up tagging mods after embarrasing yourself ....so why don't you stick to your usual gay sources and random tweets ...i only corroborated the op 35 ~ aircrafts destroyed on ground.

And Paf fuked up in 65 even after it was the first force in south asia to be equipped with AA missile ...while indian ground forces were entrenched in fertile plains of Pakistan punjab.

so much for air dominance and Sidewinder

When you post absolute nonsense, you have to be corrected however every one doesn't practices your habits and posting any random source to salvage your tiny ego. Before further proving your moronic self, first acquire some basic info on number of sidewinder equipped aircraft available to PAF and the comments made by Russians on IAF's MiG operations suffice to conclude who really effed up.

@Windjammer
We hit you so HARD in 1965 that by the time of the ceasefire you
were BLEEDING white ( to be polite )

PS
I can frame the same sentence in very rude language

The only thing you hit was your head when going down.
The surrendered Gnat is a constant reminder how you ended up with a bloody nose..... battered black and blue and bleeding bloody red.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

We annexed 1200 sq.km of pak territory in Kashmir( and never returned it )in 1971 along with partitioning Pakistan

you lost 50% of Kashmir to a bunch of farmers with world war 1 era guns; even with the combined forces of the Dogra regime.