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Hey kid, CALM YOUR A$$ DOWN ! This forum is a good training center for Indians like you ..O.K !
You Genius don't even know that Kargil wasn't a PAF vs IAF clash..Now please..these things have been discussed to death before.Come out of your "Fanboy Dream" and taste the REAL world ! I have NO hesitation in accepting that IAF is stronger than PAF right now. . And then here my Indian friends get upset when we Pakistanis say that Indians are suffering from Inferiority complex.....You are yet again proving that Indians (Like yourself) ARE infact suffering from some kind of inferiority complex.Why bringing surgical strike issue here? Did your "hyper" IAF dared to do a surgical strike? LOL Now please end your trolls....PAF was doing CAP missions which was quite normal thing under the given circumstances.
And yes , PAF is using Chinese Junk..I think PAF should go for Super Indian Fighter..LCA
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Hey kid, CALM YOUR A$$ DOWN ! This forum is a good training center for Indians like you ..O.K !
You Genius don't even know that Kargil wasn't a PAF vs IAF clash..Now please..these things have been discussed to death before.Come out of your "Fanboy Dream" and taste the REAL world ! I have NO hesitation in accepting that IAF is stronger than PAF right now. . And then here my Indian friends get upset when we Pakistanis say that Indians are suffering from Inferiority complex.....You are yet again proving that Indians (Like yourself) ARE infact suffering from some kind of inferiority complex.Why bringing surgical strike issue here? Did your "hyper" IAF dared to do a surgical strike? LOL Now please end your trolls....PAF was doing CAP missions which was quite normal thing under the given circumstances.
And yes , PAF is using Chinese Junk..I think PAF should go for Super Indian Fighter..LCA
Read my post, I dont think I mentioned Kargil in context of IAF Vs PAF...
And what do mean by Indian here, If you dont have the courage to counter other's argument without mentioning nationality better talk sensible. Do you use the same words for new Pakistani member in PDF with the same tone.
My argument all through the post is same and u also have acknowledged that at present IAF is stronger than PAF, and PLAF is at match with IAF.
And talking about inferiority complex against whom, a superior pakistan!!!!!!!... god .. gimme a break.
I hope...had if relation between Pak and India were better... India could have offered LCA to Pakistan also to keep them safe from Chiniese Junks...
Big correction here. India never started any of the conflicts, so there were no objectives to accomplish. Nothing was promised, just plain defense and denying the enemy any advances. Promises were made by the other side and they never accomplished them.
FYI, whenever there were any military objectives supported by a strong unanimous political backing, Indian Military has never failed. Check facts.
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Big correction here. India never started any of the conflicts, so there were no objectives to accomplish. Nothing was promised, just plain defense and denying the enemy any advances. Promises were made by the other side and they never accomplished them.
I don't think there is anything wrong with failures. However it all depends on how you look at things. Not able to defeat Pakistan in 65 convincingly once the war was thrusted upon us is a failure in my eyes but what you are saying is also correct.FYI, whenever there were any military objectives supported by a strong unanimous political backing, Indian Military has never failed. Check facts.
Big correction here. India never started any of the conflicts, so there were no objectives to accomplish. Nothing was promised, just plain defense and denying the enemy any advances. Promises were made by the other side and they never accomplished them.
FYI, whenever there were any military objectives supported by a strong unanimous political backing, Indian Military has never failed. Check facts.
Indian Air Force quality is there for all to see. But if you think IAF has quality advantage over PLAAF that's fine, but blatantly lying to yourself about Mig 29 or Mirage being anything more than a bad joke is unhealthy.
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Indian Air Force quality is there for all to see. But if you think IAF has quality advantage over PLAAF that's fine, but blatantly lying to yourself about Mig 29 or Mirage being anything more than a bad joke is unhealthy.
Is there any post having a discussion on IAF Mig 29 / Mirage (upgraded) Vs JF17 and J10 (PAF & PLAF).
What I think is India mirage is heavily upgraded with latest technologies from france and Israel and Indian.
Not really they were not upgraded......Even if u do upgrade em they r still old(expect mig-29)
While JFT nd J-10 are brand new babies and are superior n equal to these jets... JFT =mig-29 n mirage.... J-10=F-16 block 52+
Pakistan is trying to purchase used F-16 fighter jets from the United States to enhance its air capabilities, diplomatic sources told.
“We will take as many as they are willing to give,” said a diplomatic source when asked how many of these aircraft Pakistan was seeking.
IA failed in '62 is a well known fact. The fact that the Chinese withdrew as soon as the Cuban Missile crises de-escalated is also a known fact (another country which used an international event to mask its territorial ambitions was Georgia in 8/8/08!!). IA was literally caught with its pants down but the Chinese knew they could not sustain and hold their advances given IA's preparations to get back and international attention diverting from Cuban crises onto the conflict. So yes, territorial ambitions were denied to the then enemy.This is not true. Indian military failed to defend us from Chinese in 61. Now whatever were the circumstances ,we do have our share of failures. Secondly we all know that we were not able to run over Lahore in 65 which we thought we can easily achieve, so that was definitely a humbling experience for us. To me those set-backs were good, and the results in 71 are testamount to it.
War is not an exclusive prerogative of the military alone. It is a yet another form of exercising political options and in this regard, the GoI has very effectively used the military to 'convey' political objectives. One cannot judge losses or wins solely on the basis of what happens militarily on the field, but more than that, it is based on what transpires before and after in the political meetings and international diplomacy. Without political objectives, winning a war means nothing!I don't think there is anything wrong with failures. However it all depends on how you look at things. Not able to defeat Pakistan in 65 convincingly once the war was thrusted upon us is a failure in my eyes but what you are saying is also correct.
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Not really they were not upgraded......Even if u do upgrade em they r still old(expect mig-29)
While JFT nd J-10 are brand new babies and are superior n equal to these jets... JFT =mig-29 n mirage.... J-10=F-16 block 52+