IAF plans to get old defunct aircraft to run its fleet

[Windjammer]

Well how can you speak for something that PAF never made public in the first place.
Post some proof and enlighten us.lol

As i said PAF is a professional force, it seldom makes anything public.... certainly not minor incidents during hostilities like locking onto enemy fighters or even in full scale war, faking an interception and causing a Gnat to crash.......did you hear anything on the outcome of it's international exercises like Anatolian Eagle, Red Flag, Indus Viper or Shaheen series.....OTOH, we heard plenty of stories about IAF in Red Flag and Indra Dhanush.

did you forgot what you typed in your earlier posts eh?
I was talking about su 30 mki& su 35 not old generation Russian aircraft. While you were claiming jf-17 had shot down an unarmed drone and it must be better than the mki because it hasn't done that.

Moving goal posts to salvage some sanity...are we.....read my post again....i gave you whole lot of examples like F-86, Mirage-3, F-15s etc.

Also be careful when you try to speak highly of PAF in the kargil war which was hiding under their hangers while your soldiers were getting pounded by IAF day and night unchallenged.

If you must bring that up, then may i remind you, in Kargil, PA intruded into Indian side of LOC, killed hundreds of Indian soldiers.....the IAF with assistance from US and Israel, carried out operations within it's own side....what stopped it doing operations on the Pakistani side. !!! The fact is had either air force crossed over to attack the other side, it would translate into full scale war not just confined to the Kargil heights.

Its better than flying made in China JF-17 junk which does not even have a full functional fly by wire... Jam this!

But it has DSI.....i believe that stands for Damn Stupid Indians.

 

[Centurion2016]

PAF IS PROFESSIONAL FORCE

We keep hearing this term in this forum.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN

PAF is no more professional than other Air force in the region or in deed globally

It has severe limitations financially compared most of its neighbours who operate far superior systems

It has far less exposure to training with top notch airforces be it USA be it Israel or RAF or France... Unlike your neighbour

Describing your self as Professional will NOT diliute away your limitations

 

[Alphacharlie]

Yes Yes, IAF was weak with BVR Capable Mig 29/M2k and Bison in 1999 against an Airforce without BVR R27, 77,73, PYTHON,Derby Capability. SU30 was also weak, inducted in 1996.

Any Idiot knows if AF is used to Hit enemy targets is a Full OUT War.
PAK Kept quiet when IAF Killed atleast 3000 PA Soldiers.

Mushraff himself has accepted loss of 3700 Men.
USD PAK rate moved from 46.01 Rs to 51.91Rs by June 1999 -- Over 10% Loss !!

All Nations talk Laurels in Training Exercises including yours, issue is it doesnt get sold in Media

Where was PAF when in 2002 Mirages Struck your Command Post in Kel area, Muzafrabad--- 70 PA Soldiers were Killed. This stike was in Azad Kashmir--You didnt even do a Single CAP Sortie.

Aug 1999 Shoting of Atlantique was a classic tie and case, you could have shot IN A/c over Arabian Sea to Square off----You didnt even do a Single CAP Sortie.

Where & What False Bravado ?
You celebrate for serving Cannon fodder & Ruining your International Credibility
x

 

[NirmalKrish]

Yes Yes, IAF was weak with BVR Capable Mig 29/M2k and Bison in 1999 against an Airforce without BVR R27, 77,73, PYTHON,Derby Capability. SU30 was also weak, inducted in 1996.

Any Idiot knows if AF is used to Hit enemy targets is a Full OUT War.
PAK Kept quiet when IAF Killed atleast 3000 PA Soldiers.

Mushraff himself has accepted loss of 3700 Men.
USD PAK rate moved from 46.01 Rs to 51.91Rs by June 1999 -- Over 10% Loss !!

All Nations talk Laurels in Training Exercises including yours, issue is it doesnt get sold in Media

Where was PAF when in 2002 Mirages Struck you Command Post in Kel area, Muzafrabad--- 70 PA Soldiers were Killed. This stike was in Azad Kashmir

Where & What False Bravado ? You didnt even do a Single CAP Sortie.
You celebrate for serving Cannon fodder & Ruining you International Credibility
x

They don't want to hear facts bro because jingoism gets the best out of them!

 

[BATMAN]

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@Centurion2016 you are a handsome Indian.

 

[Windjammer]

PAF IS PROFESSIONAL FORCE

We keep hearing this term in this forum.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN

PAF is no more professional than other Air force in the region or in deed globally

It has severe limitations financially compared most of its neighbours who operate far superior systems

It has far less exposure to training with top notch airforces be it USA be it Israel or RAF or France... Unlike your neighbour

Describing your self as Professional will NOT diliute away your limitations

Professional forces or personal don't go on National TV gloating about false claims and results only to be humiliated later.....despite it's financial constraints, it's not the PAF, who has some 35% of it's front line fighters acting as hangar queens.... you can exercise with any air-force in the world but at the end of the day, it's the person in the cockpit that counts.

IAF professionalism on full display....and this is not the first time either....

''In an interview to NDTV, the IAF Commander for the exercise, Group Captain Ashu Srivastav, said the performance of his pilots was “exceptional”. He also claimed his contingent scored a 12-0 victory against the RAF fighters in a series of aerial dogfight scenarios. This included one in which an Su-30 engaged two Typhoons, and the IAF fighter emerged winner, ‘shooting down’ both ‘enemy’ jets.

The RAF was quick to contest the IAF’s claims. An RAF source told The Independent: “There must have been some clouded recollection on the flight back to India, as the headlines of the Indian press bear no relation to the results of the tactical scenarios completed on the exercise in any shape or form.”

RAF CHALLENGE INDIAN AIR FORCE 'WHITEWASH' CLAIMS
http://videos.forces.tv/detail/vide...orce-whitewash-claims?autoStart=true&page=202


Air Force backs down on Indo-UK exercise 'claims'; says no wins and losses

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/48426394.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[NirmalKrish]

You expect us to share our MO with you?

Lol! Windy theories. What do you think of MiG-21? Irrelevant Bull crap? Or what do you make of most Chiense jets which are more or less based on Soviet/Russian jets. And how do you rate you Jf-17 running on Russian engines?

Supha supda JF-17, the tin can be flying on vodka burners (RD33) that boats of DSI..... Yup the JF-17 can shoot down the death star from 50 light years away.

On the topic tell them to incorporate a fully functional fly by wire, to begin with! weren't they sold for buy 1 get 1 for free.... lol

 

[Gurjot.S]

Professional forces or personal don't go on National TV gloating about false claims and results only to be humiliated later.....despite it's financial constraints, it's not the PAF, who has some 35% of it's front line fighters acting as hangar queens.... you can exercise with any air-force in the world but at the end of the day, it's the person in the cockpit that counts.

IAF professionalism on full display....and this is not the first time either....

''In an interview to NDTV, the IAF Commander for the exercise, Group Captain Ashu Srivastav, said the performance of his pilots was “exceptional”. He also claimed his contingent scored a 12-0 victory against the RAF fighters in a series of aerial dogfight scenarios. This included one in which an Su-30 engaged two Typhoons, and the IAF fighter emerged winner, ‘shooting down’ both ‘enemy’ jets.

The RAF was quick to contest the IAF’s claims. An RAF source told The Independent: “There must have been some clouded recollection on the flight back to India, as the headlines of the Indian press bear no relation to the results of the tactical scenarios completed on the exercise in any shape or form.”

RAF CHALLENGE INDIAN AIR FORCE 'WHITEWASH' CLAIMS
http://videos.forces.tv/detail/vide...orce-whitewash-claims?autoStart=true&page=202


Air Force backs down on Indo-UK exercise 'claims'; says no wins and losses

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/48426394.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

1) No aircraft here is hangar queen. Issue's related to spare parts have been sorted out. Service rate of Su-30's can be taken to 85% during war time. BTW, what is the service rate of your f-16's ?

2) if pilot is the only factor then pakistan shud fly jf-17 for next 100 yrs. No need to go for next gen fighters.
Gone are the days, where you cud flaunt about your training etc bla bla .. IAF have been in regular touch of f-16's from last 15 years.

3) Read that link of E.T again. There are no winners or losers in those Ex's as they are conducted in controlled manner. RAF intervened on diplomatic levels and then IAF had to issue statement. and it was not official response of IAF but by some commander.

 

[Windjammer]

Supha supda JF-17, the tin can be flying on vodka burners (RD33) that boats of DSI..... Yup the JF-17 can shoot down the death star from 50 light years away.

On the topic tell them to incorporate a fully functional fly by wire, to begin with! weren't they sold for buy 1 get 1 for free.... lol

Actually it's the alien technology Tejas which took some 30 years in making....the deal is buy the LCA aka, Little Confused Aircraft....and get the trailer free.

 

[GuardianRED]

Actually it's the alien technology Tejas which took some 30 years in making....the deal is buy the LCA aka, Little Confused Aircraft....and get the trailer free.

And the copy paste - pathetic posting continues -

Damn The "Missing Link" is trying to say relevant !!

 

[Windjammer]

And the copy paste - pathetic posting continues -

Damn The "Missing Link" is trying to say relevant !!

Seems the single brain cell is trying to remain active .... loser.

 

[GuardianRED]

Seems the single brain cell is trying to remain active .... loser.

LOL... this coming from a person who copying pasting the same posts for many years in many thread!!! !!! is signs that the missing link ie you - want to stay relevant

 

[Centurion2016]

Seems the single brain cell is trying to remain active .... loser.

Never understood what you have to brag about

Your falcon f16,without USA support lose half the potency with so many strings attached they are half the plane.

You have about half the numbers you really need to face India with any confidence .

That leaves your second tier Chinease fighters in what you call thunders and the future of Pakistan.

All the chest beating over this tiny little plane came to halt after the J11 flankers of China took care of two of those on its own.

That is very concerning since India has 250.mki already and counting

Relying on peace time service levels at 65% you people are really clutching at straws

Is thst your hope in next big kick off that India won't rush in spares to take service levels to near 100% . All it takes is money

Let's not talk about rafals arriving that's over kill

 

[wiseone2]

IAF pilots or neither Israelis, nor are the Pakistani pilots Syrians.
On paper, even the MKI is supposed to be better than the Thunder but the recent confrontation between them proved otherwise.....as a fanboy you can solace your tiny ego by destroying whole of PAF with your keypad....but in real world, like any aircraft, the Thunder can also shoot back and be it Fulcrum, Flanker or the Rafale, in IAF hands, they are all pretty much vulnerable.

your pilots are not superhuman. We heard the same story until 1971 about 1 Pakistani soldier equal to 10 Indian soldiers

The Thunder is such a great aircraft that everyone except Myanmar & Nigeria passed on it

 

[Windjammer]

your pilots are not superhuman. We heard the same story until 1971 about 1 Pakistani soldier equal to 10 Indian soldiers

The Thunder is such a great aircraft that everyone except Myanmar & Nigeria passed on it

Indeed PAF pilots are no super human but they have repeatedly given the IAF a bloody nose every time.....as for Pakistani soldiers, try to fight alone without Muktis or US and Israel saving your neck....
Yea, the Thunder is serving PAF and will also serve few others....what hope for your trailer Tejas....