IAF not in favour of acquiring Russian 5th gen jets, keen on DRDO Make in India project instead

[faithfulguy]

Well you are actually supporting my point.

Look at what Wiki says

40 MK1 Ordered and only 4 Delivered/Accepted

In the meantime Indian Airforce orders 83 MK1As which don't even have prototype yet.

It is very obvious for anyone looking at this dispassionately to conclude what is happening. It not about building a product in iterations rather it is classic case of too little too late for customer's POV.

By the time 2 squadrons of Tejas are delivered, Indian Airforce would have procured 10 Squadrons of F-16s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Tejas#Operators

Operators[edit]

India

• Indian Air Force – 123 LCA aircraft [40 x Mk 1 + 83 x Mk 1A][165] aircraft planned to be acquired with four planes delivered after long delays.[166] Four squadrons of LCA Mk 2 aircraft planned to be acquired after completing production of LCA Mk 1.[167][168] The IAF was considering at least 14 Tejas squadrons with 294 aircraft in February 2014, with each squadron to have 21 aircraft.[169][170]
  • No. 45 Squadron IAF (Flying Daggers) – Bangalore, Karnataka[171]
• Indian Navy – Signed an order for six Naval LCAs at an approximate cost of US$31.09 million per aircraft.[172] The Indian Navy has a requirement for 40 Tejas aircraft.[56] In December 2016, the Indian Navy announced that Tejas is overweight for carrier operations and rejected it.[96]

Before we look at how likely is for India to get PAKFA, we need to see how likely is for Russia to build PAKFA. With the current oil price, Russia has 0.00001% chance of building PAKFA.

So for India to get the plane, India needs to make up the difference in oil price. Since India is cheap, and India has a history of getting screwed by Russia, India is not likely to foot the bill. So the end result is that India is not getting PAKFA for its FGFA as no such plane will exist.

As for AMCA,forget it. India is struggling to get LCA mk1A out. Not even the most ardent Indian AF supporter believe that India will build a prototype by 2020 or even 2030. That leave only F-35 as the only choice. I would advice India get in line. Even if India have .000001 % desire for this plane. It should still get in line as this is a realistic plane. Everything else is not realistic.

 

[SingaporeGuy]

Before we look at how likely is for India to get PAKFA, we need to see how likely is for Russia to build PAKFA. With the current oil price, Russia has 0.00001% chance of building PAKFA.

So for India to get the plane, India needs to make up the difference in oil price. Since India is cheap, and India has a history of getting screwed by Russia, India is not likely to foot the bill. So the end result is that India is not getting PAKFA for its FGFA as no such plane will exist.

As for AMCA,forget it. India is struggling to get LCA mk1A out. Not even the most ardent Indian AF supporter believe that India will build a prototype by 2020 or even 2030. That leave only F-35 as the only choice. I would advice India get in line. Even if India have .000001 % desire for this plane. It should still get in line as this is a realistic plane. Everything else is not realistic.

Not to mention india is a cheapo.

It wants T.O.T plus reinvestment back in india defense industry in addition to made in india.

Any logical defense manufacturer would give india the finger.

At least USA is kind enough to offer india the f-16 block 70

 

[Super Falcon]

What a joke IAF is becoming sometimes they opg for rafale don't get enough than Pak fa not getting it tejas is still not develop and news of F 16 and gripen also end up wasting time like mother of all deals

 

[SingaporeGuy]

What a joke IAF is becoming sometimes they opg for rafale don't get enough than Pak fa not getting it tejas is still not develop and news of F 16 and gripen also end up wasting time like mother of all deals

Truth be told india doesnt know what she wants.

India is like choosing a husband.

But choosing a husband is easier in india because the parents r around to help.

Choosing fighter plane tougher than choosing husband.

But by right choose husband shluld be more stringent than choosing fighter plane.

#whatiswrongindia

 

[war&peace]

Its official...IAF is more indecisive than a woman

Tomorrow it will deliberate on F-22

Do you think IAF will go for simple F-22?
They will go for F-22 upgraded to spaceship enterprise standards with photon torpedoes, nuclear powered engine and flying at twice the speed of light and pilot able cook bhaaji tori curry on the dashboard while flying to the mission...

 

[SingaporeGuy]

Do you think IAF will go for simple F-22?
They will go for F-22 upgraded to spaceship enterprise standards with photon torpedoes, nuclear powered engine and flying at twice the speed of light and pilot able cook bhaaji tori curry on the dashboard while flying to the mission...

Please add Bollywood drama in flight movies and A.R rahman in flight entertainment surround sound.

 

[faithfulguy]

Not to mention india is a cheapo.

It wants T.O.T plus reinvestment back in india defense industry in addition to made in india.

Any logical defense manufacturer would give india the finger.

At least USA is kind enough to offer india the f-16 block 70

In the first glance, it make sense to offer the previous gen plane (from US perspective) to India and agree to build a assembly line there. But Trump will nixed this idea with his made in America agenda. So as of now, F-16 assembly line will not exist in India. India won't get this plane.

If Saab tries to build Gripen in India, Trump might prevent Saab from building this plane for India with US engine. This might force India to buy the F-16 from South Carolina assembly line. Or India might give up completely on single engine foreign plane and buy less number of Rafale.

If I'm India, the no brainer is to just get more Rafale.

Do you think IAF will go for simple F-22?
They will go for F-22 upgraded to spaceship enterprise standards with photon torpedoes, nuclear powered engine and flying at twice the speed of light and pilot able cook bhaaji tori curry on the dashboard while flying to the mission...

India can ask for USS enterprise with Captain Kirk. But it's more like 216 times the speed of light. Warp 6.

 

[SingaporeGuy]

In the first glance, it make sense to offer the previous gen plane (from US perspective) to India and agree to build a assembly line there. But Trump will nixed this idea with his made in America agenda. So as of now, F-16 assembly line will not exist in India. India won't get this plane.

If Saab tries to build Gripen in India, Trump might prevent Saab from building this plane for India with US engine. This might force India to buy the F-16 from South Carolina assembly line. Or India might give up completely on single engine foreign plane and buy less number of Rafale.

If I'm India, the no brainer is to just get more Rafale.



India can ask for USS enterprise with Captain Kirk.

Ur right. More rafales is better.

But india pride always want to be on same level with the white country hence its causing alot of problems.

U cant push a cow to b a ferrari.

But 7.9 billion euros for 36 rafales.

The french really milked every drop of milk from india.

I think additional orders for rafales will also make india hesitate

 

[war&peace]

India can ask for USS enterprise with Captain Kirk.

But you forgot one very important modification without which it will not get approval of Indian MoD and IAF will reject it i.e. A hole in the cockpit so the pilot can use it as an open-air toilet and feel at home.

 

[Blue Marlin]

if they kill the fgfa then that will kill the amca as that too will have to rely on russain tech.

 

[faithfulguy]

But you forgot one very important modification without which it will not get approval of Indian MoD and IAF will reject it i.e. A hole in the cockpit so the pilot can use it as open-air toilet and feel at home.

I was wonder why on all the Star Trek series, there was never one Indian. Now you explain it. They forgot to put a hole in the Bridge for going number 2.

 

[Arsalan 345]

too many fighter jets will require more logistic support.is there any ideal fighter jet for IAF? i don't think that they can handle migs with f-16s. iaf should go for more rafales. fly rafale and see if you like it or not.buy more if you like it.otherwise look for gripen or f-35.indian pilots must fly rafales.when it will arrive?

 

[SingaporeGuy]

India as we know is dysfunctional, many voices inside the government and military thus making the country slightly schizophrenic

for it to come to a decision is really not easy.

I do however hope that india will plant feet firmly on ground and actually destroy the old planes first before getting new ones

 

[faithfulguy]

if they kill the fgfa then that will kill the amca as that too will have to rely on russain tech.

Thai is why India's base chance of getting a fifth gen fighter is to wait in line for F-35. It will be a long wait, but is still India's best chance.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Thai is why India's base chance of getting a fifth gen fighter is to wait in line for F-35. It will be a long wait, but is still India's best chance.

thats is an avenue and looks like there is agood chance in the foreseeable future, especially if they buy the f16 first.