IAF jittery as faulty design grounds HAL jet trainer

[jay89]

are you comparing both ? lolz try to learn first

JF-17 VS HAL TEJAS
K-8 VS HAL SITARA

i am ignorant please teach me origin of HAL SITARA ENGINE NPO Saturn AL-55 ?

Indeed you are an ignorant, I have not compared any aircraft be it Tejas or Jf-17 my point was Indian's have there own indigenous program where Pakistani Jf-17 was co developed by China. I never said Indian's or there technology is superior but if they keep practicing on making fighter planes by there own they will certainly get better. Now lolz on your rant that you cant think with your brain at least accept what the truth is, ever heard of a quote a practice make a man better?

 

[Derolo]

hal is an epic failure. national shame. directors and managers should be publicily executed

 

[Imran Khan]

Indeed you are an ignorant, I have not compared any aircraft be it Tejas or Jf-17 my point was Indian's have there own indigenous program where Pakistani Jf-17 was co developed by China. I never said Indian's or there technology is superior but if they keep practicing on making fighter planes by there own they will certainly get better. Now lolz on your rant that you cant think with your brain at least accept what the truth is, ever heard of a quote a practice make a man better?

first of all dont be personal you stupid

second indigenous what the F you know abut indigenous program ? you are another stupid ignorant

engine - missiles - avionics -pods - guns -and much more imported from russia -israel - USA - . accept truth ? since 1983 its on going cooking and helped by whole world from US TO ISRAEL RUSSIA IN TEJAS YOU IGNORANT ITS NOT INDIGENOUS . you better learn abut defense industry ABC first then bark us here .

come again next time with some sold homework

 

[jay89]

Are you a false flagger?

Because if you read what you wrote, you'll realize that it contradicts whatever you say.

So it can be Russian help, but not Chinese? So it can be called ingenious? Or Indigenous?

ahh what a way to reply and that too from a senior member, ok you need to know my background i was born and raised in Karachi Gulshan-e-iqbal. now to your questions

"So it can be Russian help, but not Chinese? So it can be called ingenious? Or Indigenous?

my dear Donatello first of all you need to understand the difference between help & and agreement to co-develop something. Ever heard of Boeing 777? you definitely would have, lets continue........ Boeing is an American company and they are making commercial planes since many years but Boeing doesn't make every thing in America and they simply cant because of the cost , now we all are living in a global world where we have options or friends to help when you are in need(obviously you meed butt loads of cash) just check out this link and see what goes in a Boeing 777 and from how many parts of the world.http://www.airframer.com/aircraft_detail.html?model=B777. Still the Boeing 777 is sole property of Boeing where they have the design rights, so would you say that Boeing is not American? Where as Jf-17 was co-developed which means the Airframe was jointly developed by Pakistani's and the Chinese, it's up to Pakistan or China to do what ever they want to do. They actually don't have limitation in Arming Jf-17 with BVRs, LGBs or JDAM because its all in the deal its a joint product after all.. Where as Indian might get very little help from Russia like getting Russian engines & as far as the spelling mistake goes i am sorry Mr.Oxford i was using the forum on my phone you know how hard it is to type on a phone.[/QUOTE]

first of all dont be personal you stupid

second indigenous what the F you know abut indigenous program ? you are another stupid ignorant

engine - missiles - avionics -pods - guns -and much more imported from russia -israel - USA - . accept truth ? since 1983 its on going cooking and helped by whole world from US TO ISRAEL RUSSIA IN TEJAS YOU IGNORANT ITS NOT INDIGENOUS . you better learn abut defense industry ABC first then bark us here .

come again next time with some sold homework

You took it personal too, Holy Fish F*** me dead another ignorant sheep I am dealing with, don't want to argue any more u won i lost, glory is all yours . Peace

 

[Imran Khan]

You took it personal too, Holy Fish F*** me dead another ignorant sheep I am dealing with, don't want to argue any more u won i lost, glory is all yours . Peace

chal teri naak se nikal doon indiginusy teri beta

Radar - EL/M-2032 radar - israel

engine - F404-GE-IN20 USA

guns - GSh-23 soviet- russia

EW suites Israel's Elisra

ejuction seat MB UK
weapons

Python (missile) israel
Derby missile israel
R-77 russia
R-74 Russia
air to ground
KH-59 Russia

anti ship
KH-35 Russia
KH-31 Russia

ground attack
Paveway series USA
KAB series -Russia
OFAB series Russia


rockets
S-8 Russia
bofors 135mm Sweden

Pods
LITENING targeting pod Israeli

cluster bomb
RKB series soviet union

ab jo baki jhaaz bachy uski indiginus bati bana lena kaheen or kaam ayee gee hum ne sari zindgi yehi kiya hai .

 

[jay89]

chal teri naak se nikal doon indiginusy teri beta

Radar - EL/M-2032 radar - israel
engine - F404-GE-IN20 USA
guns - GSh-23 soviet- russia
Python (missile) israel
Derby missile israel
R-77 russia
R-74 Russia
air to ground
KH-59 russia

anti ship
KH-35 russia
KH-31 russia

ground attack
Pavewayseires USA
KAB series -russia
OFAB series Russia


rockts
S-8 russia
bofors 135mm sweden

Pods
LITENING targeting pod Israeli

ab jo baki jhaaz bachy uski indiginus bati bana lena bety

O bhai jaan itne serious na ho, i accept defeat. but try to look the other picture too, did we made the KLJ-7,RD-93, SD-10, C-802 for JF-17 all in all the big question comes in did we alone made the whole Jf-17 aeronautical design? nah it was jointly produced and developed. India being a 3rd world country has excelled something if we keep our Pakistan-ism and patriotism a side. Now could you please help me in finding out that Indian's designed the TEJAS aeronautical design or Russia helped them like the way China and Pakistan did?

 

[Imran Khan]

O bhai jaan itne serious na ho, i accept defeat. but try to look the other picture too, did we made the KLJ-7,RD-93, SD-10, C-802 for JF-17 all in all the big question comes in did we alone made the whole Jf-17 aeronautical design? nah it was jointly produced and developed. India being a 3rd world country has excelled something if we keep our Pakistan-ism and patriotism a side. Now could you please help me in finding out that Indian's designed the TEJAS aeronautical design or Russia helped them like the way China and Pakistan did?

now in fact you change the stance . please go read forum i am most critic Pakistani member and i bash day night our failures . something here you forget india has no shortage of tech and money they are flooding the money in projects and Pakistanis cant have access and not tech transferred to us . JF-17 is total different story for me i am clear thet we are assembling it and its not Pakistani project its CO work with china and sure most of the work done by them . both of them and not indigenous projects . but i am sure if Pakistanis have access to tech and money they can do far better then india as indian gov is hell slow and authorities are just wasting too much time .

for me JF-17 is replacement of paf 400 3rd gen fighters and i am sure we can't buy fighters now as before so better we have something in hand . for design and implement on ground total indigenous fighter plane 100% we both are some 30-40 years away.

 

[jay89]

now in fact you change the stance . please go read forum i am most critic Pakistani member and i bash day night our failures . something here you forget india has no shortage of tech and money they are flooding the money in projects and Pakistanis cant have access and not tech transferred to us . JF-17 is total different story for me i am clear thet we are assembling it and its not Pakistani project its CO work with china and sure most of the work done by them . both of them and not indigenous projects . but i am sure if Pakistanis have access to tech and money they can do far better then india as indian gov is hell slow and authorities are just wasting too much time .

for me JF-17 is replacement of paf 400 3rd gen fighters and i am sure we can't buy fighters now as before so better we have something in hand . for design and implement on ground total indigenous fighter plane 100% we both are some 30-40 years away.

Yep i have read some of your post. I want to apologize if i said something personal.

 

[manishmaithani]

now in fact you change the stance . please go read forum i am most critic Pakistani member and i bash day night our failures . something here you forget india has no shortage of tech and money they are flooding the money in projects and Pakistanis cant have access and not tech transferred to us . JF-17 is total different story for me i am clear thet we are assembling it and its not Pakistani project its CO work with china and sure most of the work done by them . both of them and not indigenous projects . but i am sure if Pakistanis have access to tech and money they can do far better then india as indian gov is hell slow and authorities are just wasting too much time .

for me JF-17 is replacement of paf 400 3rd gen fighters and i am sure we can't buy fighters now as before so better we have something in hand . for design and implement on ground total indigenous fighter plane 100% we both are some 30-40 years away.

Chacha Bachhe ki jaan loge ab ?

 

[Imran Khan]

Yep i have read some of your post. I want to apologize if i said something personal.

i am so sorry for being harsh i apologize

Chacha Bachhe ki jaan loge ab ?

bacha jee jaan lena dena mery hath main hota to aaj koi taliban zinda na hota

 

[Chromatin]

I do not understand the debate. In today's world, there is no point of developing any weapon system indigenously. No single country has the best of everything. India needs a couple of hundred Rafale class nuclear capable defense/offense fighter jets and two squadrons of stealth fighter/bombers (F35) for strictly offensive role, as well as few thousand Israeli and Russian missiles. This combination will counter anything China or Pakistan can develop. Indigenously developing will cost a lot more and take a lot of time. Israel, Russia, France, EU and now even USA are ready to sell anything to India that they would not sell to China and Pakistan. Modi seems to me on the right track with Rafale. He needs to speed up acquiring Israeli Iron Dome and most defense issues will be solved for now. Then, India should fast track on building indigenous submarines and nuclear submarines which they are already on track.

 

[gslv mk3]

So it can be Russian help, but not Chinese? So it can be called ingenious? Or Indigenous?

So JF 17 is not a JV

JF-17 VS HAL TEJAS
K-8 VS HAL SITARA

Indigenous programs vs JVs

 

[gslv mk3]

engine - missiles - avionics -pods - guns -and much more imported from russia -israel - USA - . accept truth ? since 1983 its on going cooking and helped by whole world from US TO ISRAEL RUSSIA IN TEJAS YOU IGNORANT ITS NOT INDIGENOUS

No no no..It now have our own radars avionics..we didnt get much help other than from french.anyway by this logic gripen is not swedish & and jf 17 is no sino pak jv.

 

[Killswitch]

The IAF needs to suck it up.

Pilatus
Hawk
2 seat fighter trainer (MKI, Mirage, etc.)


3 stages should be enough.

 

[desimorty]

IAF doesn't belive in ground flight similuators like the rest of the world and wants IJT, lol