IAF ‘harvesting organs’ of globally retired jets

[randomradio]

Thanks but after i would like to say after lets say 2023-2025 your Jaguars/Mig-27/Mig-23BN will difficult to maintain @randomradio

Mig-21 and Mig-27 will not go beyond 2025, most of them have already been phased out. There are only 2 Mig-27 squadrons left.

40 Jaguars will be phased out from 2027 onwards. And then 80 more Jaguars will be phased out from 2035 onwards. 30+ Jaguars are younger than our oldest MKIs. We are getting 35 Jaguars free of cost from other countries for cannibalising spares. So the cost of maintaining the Jaguars is cheap.

 

[ziaulislam]

The youngest Jaguars will survive up to 2042.

And many Jaguars were cannibalised after the production lines closed.



Cannibalising spares from free jets is cheaper than producing new spares. But we do have spares production along with overhaul capability.

Its still not healthy method and is somewhat similar cost if you go through all verification and validation

Whats your take on the honeywell darin III ?

There is no enginw for darin3

 

[SorryNotSorry]

Its still not healthy method and is somewhat similar cost if you go through all verification and validation


There is no enginw for darin3

I know, i want some thoughts on the honeywell and darin 3 upgrades together- since we are talking about engines too

 

[randomradio]

Its still not healthy method and is somewhat similar cost if you go through all verification and validation

Not really. The free Jaguars are quite healthy and this is not counting the spares stocked up previously for the free Jaguars, which will also be transferred. The free Jaguars are half the fleet of what we plan to keep until 2042.

And the engine will be brand new for the remaining Jaguars, so the actual cost of upkeep will be very low. IAF will be saving over $1B in life cycle costs with the new engine.

To put things into perspective, the Mirage-2000 fleet costs less than 500Cr a year in spares and support. We got the 35 Jaguars and a whole line of stocked spares for only 2.8Cr and a bit more for shipping, which will last us many years.

I know, i want some thoughts on the honeywell and darin 3 upgrades together- since we are talking about engines too

HAL will be integrating the Honeywell engines into the Jaguars. They can start delivering in 3 years after contract signature, which is expected to happen before elections. The engine itself is a drop fit, so the process can be done quickly.

 

[TruthTheOnlyDefense]

IAF ‘harvesting organs’ of globally retired jets

The IAF is scrambling around the globe to acquire old jets retired by other countries to bolster it's existing combat fleet.

IAF has 118 Jaguars but their operational availability has gone down because of obsolescence & shortage of spares, a defence ministry source said.


NEW DELHI: Confronted with a fast-depleting number of fighter quadrons, and long delays in new inductions, the IAF is scrambling around the globe to acquire old jets retired and mothballed by other countries to bolster its existing combat fleet.

The hunt for airframes and spares has been particularly successful for the British-origin Jaguar strike fighters, with transfer of “assets” from Oman, France and the UK, which IAF will cannibalise for operational flexibility of its jets.

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

But wait India is a rich country, a very rich country. Why do they have to do this?

 

[Bossman]

Not really. The free Jaguars are quite healthy and this is not counting the spares stocked up previously for the free Jaguars, which will also be transferred. The free Jaguars are half the fleet of what we plan to keep until 2042.

And the engine will be brand new for the remaining Jaguars, so the actual cost of upkeep will be very low. IAF will be saving over $1B in life cycle costs with the new engine.

To put things into perspective, the Mirage-2000 fleet costs less than 500Cr a year in spares and support. We got the 35 Jaguars and a whole line of stocked spares for only 2.8Cr and a bit more for shipping, which will last us many years.



HAL will be integrating the Honeywell engines into the Jaguars. They can start delivering in 3 years after contract signature, which is expected to happen before elections. The engine itself is a drop fit, so the process can be done quickly.

More wishful thinking like the LCA, the fifth generation JV with Russia, the AMCA, the tender for 126 jets that became 32 jets and now the new tender for “make in India” . The only reasons PAF is flying the 50 year old Mirages because they are better than the Jaguars in a strike role.

 

[Khamlun News Reporter]

Yes but IAF is hoping to extend their service life beyond 2035.
Another point to note is that IAF acquired 40 Jaguars directly from UK in 1979 followed by licence production of some 150 aircraft by HAL.....however currently the 1AF has 118 Jaguars remaining in it's incventory.
So it works out that IAF has lost some 70 Jaguars during their service.

Not at all.
Both SIPRI and Janes data showed IAF acquirred 186 Jaguars out of which 18 leased from UK were returned back.
So only 48 lost in accidents as two aircraft have been mounted as display outside airbases.

 

[randomradio]

More wishful thinking like the LCA, the fifth generation JV with Russia, the AMCA, the tender for 126 jets that became 32 jets and now the new tender for “make in India” .

Wishful because you don't want to believe it, which has nothing to do with reality.

The only reasons PAF is flying the 50 year old Mirages because they are better than the Jaguars in a strike role.

Oh, yeah? Can you tell me which PAF Mirage has an AESA radar then?

The Jaguar beat even the Mirage F1 by a mile, forget comparing it to the older III and V.

 

[PradoTLC]

so older jets more useful then lca....

okie

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Mig-21 and Mig-27 will not go beyond 2025, most of them have already been phased out. There are only 2 Mig-27 squadrons left.

40 Jaguars will be phased out from 2027 onwards. And then 80 more Jaguars will be phased out from 2035 onwards. 30+ Jaguars are younger than our oldest MKIs. We are getting 35 Jaguars free of cost from other countries for cannibalising spares. So the cost of maintaining the Jaguars is cheap.

All of your jaguar are from the 70s and 80s while SU-30 entered service in early 90s.

 

[PradoTLC]

Wishful because you don't want to believe it, which has nothing to do with reality.



Oh, yeah? Can you tell me which PAF Mirage has an AESA radar then?

The Jaguar beat even the Mirage F1 by a mile, forget comparing it to the older III and V.

Err.. no...

 

[Ultima Thule]

Oh, yeah? Can you tell me which PAF Mirage has an AESA radar then?

The Jaguar beat even the Mirage F1 by a mile, forget comparing it to the older III and V.

Jaguar is a basically a CAS/Strike jet with a minimal air to air capability, Mirage F1 is one of the first truly multi role jet and as for III is a AD jet and V is strike jet rather than CAS like Jaguar @randomradio

 

[SQ8]

Jaguar is a basically a CAS/Strike jet with a minimal air to air capability, Mirage F1 is one of the first truly multi role jet and as for III is a AD jet and V is strike jet rather than CAS like Jaguar @randomradio

Do not waste your time. Given a comparison between a F-16 and a Mig-27 .. certain India "fanboys" will declare teh Mig-27 a 5th generation jet. Their attempt to paint their false technical assertions with loghorrea is amusing at best

 

[randomradio]

All of your jaguar are from the 70s and 80s while SU-30 entered service in early 90s.

No. We ordered 17 new builds in 1999 and 20 in 2002. So these are as young as the MKIs. There's another 40+ jets which have another 15-20 years in them. You forget that these 40 jets are as old as your F-16s.

MKIs themselves are from 2002, not early 90s. We no longer operate the Su-30s we bought in the 90s.

Jaguar is a basically a CAS/Strike jet with a minimal air to air capability, Mirage F1 is one of the first truly multi role jet and as for III is a AD jet and V is strike jet rather than CAS like Jaguar @randomradio

M-III also had ground attack versions. A lot of AD fighters were modified for strike fighters at the time. M-III was one of them. So was the Mig-23, there was an interceptor version and a ground attack version. The more dedicated ground attack versions of the III and Mig-23 were the V and Mig-27. So if you want to be specific, you have to speak of the variants.

Mirage F1, Jaguar and Saab's Viggen competed in a tender for India's DPSA requirements, which Jaguar won.

The fact is the F1 was developed as a successor to the III/V and lost in the IAF's tender.

Do not waste your time. Given a comparison between a F-16 and a Mig-27 .. certain India "fanboys" will declare teh Mig-27 a 5th generation jet. Their attempt to paint their false technical assertions with loghorrea is amusing at best

You seem to be clueless about the happenings of this thread, which seems to be the norm. I would recommend reading Bossman's post again, where he claims your Mirages are superior to the Jaguar.

 

[Ultima Thule]

M-III also had ground attack versions. A lot of AD fighters were modified for strike fighters at the time. M-III was one of them. So was the Mig-23, there was an interceptor version and a ground attack version. The more dedicated ground attack versions of the III and Mig-23 were the V and Mig-27. So if you want to be specific, you have to speak of the variants.

Mirage F1, Jaguar and Saab's Viggen competed in a tender for India's DPSA requirements, which Jaguar won.

The fact is the F1 was developed as a successor to the III/V and lost in the IAF's tender.

you're all wrong M-III has a minimal/no Ground attack missions just drop unguided bombs and nothing else and its versions like V is Strike Jet just like you refer Mig-23/Mig-27 @randomradio

I think India wants to more strike/CAS jets than a multi role jet, that why India chose Jaguar, just my assumption bro @randomradio