IAF gets feel of latest Pak fighter aircraft

[MZUBAIR]

Indian babies are crying!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[SpArK]

Indian babies are crying!!!!!!!!!!!1

All babies cry unless they are born dumb.

 

[Hulk]

Id rather like to see Pakistan buying 9,000,000 tones of wheat and give away free roti to everyone for life and then I wana see a thread that Indian's have already analysed this stragedy and have 900,000,000 tones of wheat on its way....

Between all this hatred we have lost all humanity, dissapoints me.

We need people like you, I am with you. I do not know what direction we are going with buying so much weapon. I guess there is no end, think about weapons in next 20 years deadly after deadly weapons will be created. So humans beings are busy finding ways to kill themselves.

 

[illuminatidinesh]

Hey dude i think you forgate that your Coward government not accept bodies of your soldiers in Kargil War ?????

Oh u didnt know that one coward was begging uncle sam and another was busy toppling his government. Then where was the time to accept the fallen heroes.

 

[sancho]

I am really getting confused now.

Block 52 is what Pakistan is getting.

Block 60 is what UAE has (or is getting).

India is being offered Block 70 (also called Super Viper) and not Block 60.

Block 70 does not exist as of now, LM will make it only it wins the MMRCA.

Am I right or have I goofed up? I did searches on Google and found that Super Viper is being called as Block 70 and not Block 60.

Whats is the major difference between Block 60 and 70?

Hey Markus, it's like this, all these F16s share the same capabilities in terms of design, range with CFTs, JHMCS, or weapons. The difference is only on radar, avionics and to some extend engines.

Block 52 has the APG-68 multi mode radars and the PW-229 engine with 129.6kN thrust.

Block 60 was a further improvement for the UAE, with APG-80 AESA radar, improved avionics like IRST and the GE-132 with 144kn thrust.

The IN, or Block 70 which is offered for us, is based on the Block 60 and the only difference are some new avionics and CFTs with a refuelling probe to be compatible to our tankers.


So compared to PAFs B52, the advantage is only more thrust, AESA radar and some avionics improvements. Sounds good on paper, but is not worth it in reality!
In BVR AESA will only be an advantage in 1 on 1 combats, but PAF already has AWACS support, just like us and the F16s of both sides should be detected pretty much at the same time. Both also uses the same AIM 120, which don't even gives an advantage on the weapons side.
In WVR the thrust advantage might offer a better t/w ratio (not sure how much more the B60 weighs compared to the B52), but the main point here should be the AIM9 + JHMCS combo, which is also the same for both sides.
The only real advantage it could have, are the improved avionics, but that won't make it worth the costs, clearly F16IN is one of the worst choices IAF and MoD could take.

 

[Markus]

Hey Markus, it's like this, all these F16s share the same capabilities in terms of design, range with CFTs, JHMCS, or weapons. The difference is only on radar, avionics and to some extend engines.

Block 52 has the APG-68 multi mode radars and the PW-229 engine with 129.6kN thrust.

Block 60 was a further improvement for the UAE, with APG-80 AESA radar, improved avionics like IRST and the GE-132 with 144kn thrust.

The IN, or Block 70 which is offered for us, is based on the Block 60 and the only difference are some new avionics and CFTs with a refuelling probe to be compatible to our tankers.


So compared to PAFs B52, the advantage is only more thrust, AESA radar and some avionics improvements. Sounds good on paper, but is not worth it in reality!
In BVR AESA will only be an advantage in 1 on 1 combats, but PAF already has AWACS support, just like us and the F16s of both sides should be detected pretty much at the same time. Both also uses the same AIM 120, which don't even gives an advantage on the weapons side.
In WVR the thrust advantage might offer a better t/w ratio (not sure how much more the B60 weighs compared to the B52), but the main point here should be the AIM9 + JHMCS combo, which is also the same for both sides.
The only real advantage it could have, are the improved avionics, but that won't make it worth the costs, clearly F16IN is one of the worst choices IAF and MoD could take.

Thanks for the explanation buddy.

 

[Markus]

All babies cry unless they are born dumb.

 

[archangel]

IAF can get sneak peak into the Air Craft but it cannot get the most important factor - The home grown tactics developed by war hardened pilots specially the combat experience PAF has against enemy aircrafts is vital.

We have been flying these birds for over 30 years and there are dozens of pilots who have crossed 5000 hours mark on F-16's .

Just for the record PAF has evaluated MIG-29 , SU-30MKK , Mirage-2k and practiced against these air crafts which leaves nothing for IAF to be happy about.

Ohh, really????????

You know, you guys are real funny.

Do you think you are the only ones getting experienced out there. And home, is where you have been practicing. Right????????

Well, then how does that make you better or atleast able enough?????

We on the other hands have been participating in international competitions with much diverse environment, planes, conditions, pilots and just for your kind info, we have been performing well enough, much better than where they had expected us to be. Especially taking in account the shortage of planes here in India due to retirement of many. Incidents of accidents of MiG-21s also had ruined our reputation but it never could ruin our capabilities, though.

And also, the planes you have examined are indeed juniors to what we possess. We on the other hand have been defeating or atleast have examined what you are about to receive and hopefully, take another 5yrs may be to master.

So, Day dreaming is good, but atleast don't make the mistake of boasting of your incompetitiveness.

 

[Storm Force]

Thje single most successfully user of the F16 in the world is the Israeli Air Force.

I AM CERTAIN they will have passed on all the tactics needed to handle the little beast to their indian allies

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

BB,

When did this happen ? Never knew of any excercise with Su30MKK ?

We dont publicise every little thing buddy... our pilots are already FLYING SU-30MKKs , mirages of UAE ...etc

 

[javaman]

We dont publicise every little thing buddy... our pilots are already FLYING SU-30MKKs , mirages of UAE ...etc

ya su 30 mkk simulators ,in dreams.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I am sure the feel would be more touchy and emotional when we have our F16 with BVR

 

[x_man]

From merely Guns to the IR missiles to Atom bombs and then onto Long range cruise missiles....its good to see ( nah ) that the two old buddies have finally paralleled themselves in the BVR capablity as well ...boy o boy , we had some bloody catching up do ....

IAFs feels it or doesnt feel it ...who cares .....lets enjoy the moment and dont forget to give a hug to uncle Sam when u meet him

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

ya su 30 mkk simulators ,in dreams.

U want proof? now dont cry rivers when i show u the proof reguading PAF pilots flying SU-30 of china.

I hope u wont wet ur bed while sleepin

 

[anathema]

U want proof? now dont cry rivers when i show u the proof reguading PAF pilots flying SU-30 of china.

I hope u wont wet ur bed while sleepin

Please share some proof....also please share what PAF feels about SU 30 MKK ?