IAF Caught With Pants Down....Again

[Raider 21]

Dense beyond belief or habitual denial to save tiny ego, Pakistan may have asked but who did the Americans really helped is no rocket science and then there were Israelis,

Damn we were also stunned when India placed an order for 126 or just 36 Rafales, we were also stunned when IAF claimed a 12-0 victory in the Indradhanush Cricket match....but hey it takes a true brave nation like India to make the racket on mere 8 F-16s and if it wasn't for PDF, you creatures will forever believe and live under notion that two fronts have been run over and Modi has made it into Guiness book with 56'' rips.

Or 13 third hand F-16s......

 

[Osiris]

Well one needs a brain to observe and calculate certain fact and figures but then there are exceptions like you , your media within the first week of the exercise was claiming the 10000 sorties in first three days so there's no question of any publishing error in 3 or 13 days.....i guess it's too complicated for your simple mind to comprehend so i suggest you just read the date of the article published.
Indian Air Force carries out 10,000 sorties of combat aircraft fleet in 3 days

• Ajit Kumar Dubey
• New Delhi
• April 14, 2018
• UPDATED 04:54 IST

https://www.indiatoday.in/mail-toda...t-aircraft-fleet-in-3-days-1211954-2018-04-14

A little bit of brain, it is not that hard to figure out, how the reporter got his numbers mixed up.

The key figures here are '10000' , '3' and '13'.

A reporter who might have been informed, that 10000 sorties (which was initial estimate, instead IAF managed fly 11000 sorties) will be flown in the exercise which last 13 days, reports 10000 sorties flown in 3 days

 

[Osiris]

It's worth noting that in High Mark 2005 , the much smaller PAF carried out target 7000 sorties in two weeks of high octane manoeuvres.

High Mark 2005 was a month long exercise in which 8000 sorties were flown.

 

[Sam Vaish]

High Mark 2005 was a month long exercise in which 8000 sorties were flown.

These Pakistanies are so much concerned about Indias might. They just cant accept that India is so powerful. If any mistake is done by media they start taunting and start making jokes. They are all damn clowns.

 

[Raider 21]

These Pakistanies are so much concerned about Indias might. They just cant accept that India is so powerful. If any mistake is done by media they start taunting and start making jokes. They are all damn clowns.

....more like laughing at the projected might by the media....

Numbers don't make sense....and no...India fears Pakistan more than the other way around...

 

[Daghalodi]

Really, wasn't the IAF was forced to eat it's own words once the RAF threatened to reveal the actual outcome of the exercise,
Sources in the RAF are calling Indian claims of superiority in the air "comical" while ridiculing reports that the Indian pilots flying Sukhoi Su-30 MKI fighter aircraft defeated the RAF Typhoon aircraft not only in one-on-one combat, but also when pitted against two Typhoons.
A RAF source told The Independent that the claims cited in Indian media were clearly designed for the "domestic audience".

Meanwhile a spokesperson for the RAF said: "Our analysis does not match what has been reported, RAF pilots and the Typhoon performed well throughout the exercise with and against the Indian Air Force.
And No, it wasn't any unnamed source but the IAF contingent leader boasting on the National TV.....with the same false bravado that runs through Indian psyche entwined with bollywood.

In an interview to NDTV, the IAF Commander for the exercise, Group Captain Ashu Srivastav, said the performance of his pilots was “exceptional”. He also claimed his contingent scored a 12-0 victory against the RAF fighters in a series of aerial dogfight scenarios. This included one in which an Su-30 engaged two Typhoons, and the IAF fighter emerged winner, ‘shooting down’ both ‘enemy’ jets.

Man you just nailed it.

Now bharatis are going to disown their own IAF commander or claim he is a muslim to save their face.

Shamless people

 

[anathema]

At the beginning of the just concluded Gagan Shakti exercise, the IAF habitually went on the media to make highly e
Indian Air Force carries out 10,000 sorties of combat aircraft fleet in 3 days
https://www.indiatoday.in/mail-toda...t-aircraft-fleet-in-3-days-1211954-2018-04-14
we’re shaking the heavens’ indian air chief says Gaganshakti 2018
http://www.defencenews.inflies-11000-sorties-in-mega-gaganshakti-drill/articleshow/63903380.cms

@Oscar @Knuckles @Taimoor Khan @MastanKhan @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

Ohh Windy - you are still at it ? Its very amusing to see reactions , even after so many years- to a point that you all are trying self console yourselves "Bhai saab - IAF aise kaise kar sakti hain..ye saab jhoot hain"

Anyways here is the gist - we have cerebral journos who doesnt know difference between Tejas , F16 and JF17 - no seriously, you can check out reports and you will have photographs, videos which shows JF 17, F16 instead of Sukhoi or Tejas. You are expecting this lot to report and FACTUALLY report the exact figures ??? No seriously just give it a thought, before making mockery over here.

Here is my take on what would have happened.
IAF officer "We are planning excess of 10K sorties in Gaganshakti" . We will be carrying out surge operations in Western border during this phase.
Reporter - Gaganshakti will have excess of 10K sorties
Editor - Maaza nahi aa raha hain. Lets make this Pakistan centric
The next day headlines screams out "10K sorties in 3 days along western border"
By the way , you will never find official statements. Its always unnamed sources.

Anyways official press briefing has happened. Its 11k sorties , out of which 9K combat sorties. I am assuming majority of combat sorties happened in western border. And yes this is a stunning number ! in less than 10 days. While we are at it , here is official statement on serviceability ( see attached).

just one question:
1) how do you know that in two days one enemy will be total flatten by indian air force and until that the other enemy won't attack you?
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You dont need to be a einstein to figure this out. Its a tactic that Red army has used very efficiently. Overwhelm the enemy with every asset possible. Its ancient battlefield tactic - use numbers and in this quality as well to overwhelm opponent.

 

[Shamsher1990]

1) how do you know that in two days one enemy will be total flatten by indian air force and until that the other enemy won't attack you?

How do you know that all those weapons you are buying from China will even work in case of war? Rather how does any nation knows its weapons, tactics, infrastructure, discipline will work in case of a war?

Its a serious question and not an attempt to poke fun at you or Pakistan. Your answer is going to be roughly the same.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Ohh Windy - you are still at it ? Its very amusing to see reactions , even after so many years- to a point that you all are trying self console yourselves "Bhai saab - IAF aise kaise kar sakti hain..ye saab jhoot hain"

Anyways here is the gist - we have cerebral journos who doesnt know difference between Tejas , F16 and JF17 - no seriously, you can check out reports and you will have photographs, videos which shows JF 17, F16 instead of Sukhoi or Tejas. You are expecting this lot to report and FACTUALLY report the exact figures ??? No seriously just give it a thought, before making mockery over here.

Here is my take on what would have happened.
IAF officer "We are planning excess of 10K sorties in Gaganshakti" . We will be carrying out surge operations in Western border during this phase.
Reporter - Gaganshakti will have excess of 10K sorties
Editor - Maaza nahi aa raha hain. Lets make this Pakistan centric
The next day headlines screams out "10K sorties in 3 days along western border"
By the way , you will never find official statements. Its always unnamed sources.

Anyways official press briefing has happened. Its 11k sorties , out of which 9K combat sorties. I am assuming majority of combat sorties happened in western border. And yes this is a stunning number ! in less than 10 days. While we are at it , here is official statement on serviceability ( see attached).


You dont need to be a einstein to figure this out. Its a tactic that Red army has used very efficiently. Overwhelm the enemy with every asset possible. Its ancient battlefield tactic - use numbers and in this quality as well to overwhelm opponent.

you can overwhelm a small enemy, not some one with air force almost half of yours and air defence strong as yours.
soviets used it against its small enemies with almost no or very small air forces.

How do you know that all those weapons you are buying from China will even work in case of war? Rather how does any nation knows its weapons, tactics, infrastructure, discipline will work in case of a war?

Its a serious question and not an attempt to poke fun at you or Pakistan. Your answer is going to be roughly the same.

its a good question and that's what I said earlier that how do you know this strategy of defeating one strong enemy in 48 hours will work. kr how do you know that Russian weapons will work against real enemy like it worked in exercises?

and about your questions, we only buy those Chinese weapons which pass the requirement tests and later we modify them to the fullest using out own technology or off the shelve western technologies.
secondly we test tactics based on indian air force tactics known through intelligence. whereas Indians just tried to test to overwhelm with no overwhelming majority. there is a huge difference .

 

[Shamsher1990]

and about your questions, we only buy those Chinese weapons which pass the requirement tests and later we modify them to the fullest using out own technology or off the shelve western technologies.
secondly we test tactics based on indian air force tactics known through intelligence. whereas Indians just tried to test to overwhelm with no overwhelming majority. there is a huge difference .

Well, you answered your own question. IAF knows number and characteristics of your platform and ammunitions. Sure as hell the exercise would have been designed around those facts. Add the constrains and you can simulate the scenario.

That said no one know how the war will go. Wars have their own lives and tempos. For all we know China could be flattened in 2 days due to circumstances and war with Pakistan could drag for a whole year.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Ohh Windy - you are still at it ? Its very amusing to see reactions , even after so many years- to a point that you all are trying self console yourselves "Bhai saab - IAF aise kaise kar sakti hain..ye saab jhoot hain"

Anyways here is the gist - we have cerebral journos who doesnt know difference between Tejas , F16 and JF17 - no seriously, you can check out reports and you will have photographs, videos which shows JF 17, F16 instead of Sukhoi or Tejas. You are expecting this lot to report and FACTUALLY report the exact figures ??? No seriously just give it a thought, before making mockery over here.

Here is my take on what would have happened.
IAF officer "We are planning excess of 10K sorties in Gaganshakti" . We will be carrying out surge operations in Western border during this phase.
Reporter - Gaganshakti will have excess of 10K sorties
Editor - Maaza nahi aa raha hain. Lets make this Pakistan centric
The next day headlines screams out "10K sorties in 3 days along western border"
By the way , you will never find official statements. Its always unnamed sources.

Oh wow amazing story u just made up. How long have u been a writer of fiction? Or is it that u just made this up to console urself?

Let's get back to the facts...
- Fact: This news came out as 10,000 sorties flown in 3 days and was reported by not just one but various different Indian media outlets.

- Fact: Many Indian fanboys were jumping up and down over this news thumping their chests.

- Fact: Now the false claims of this 10,000 sorties over 3 days have been disproven

So now that it's all blown up in their faces...u come out with the sorry excuse that it's just an honest mistake and the news reporters are not experts in this field etc.

This brings up a couple of points
1) If this had been Pakistani media reporting like this about some PAF exercise and it all turned out to be false later...instead of Indians saying that "it's just an honest mistake by a journalist"...they would be jumping up and down about how "Pakistani military fools their ppl" and "how Pakistanis are brainwashed" and what not...but bcuz it's India in this case so the obvious conclusion is an "honest mistake" by some journalist.

2) If that's the standard of ur media, why does every Indian fanboy take it at face value? It has been shown time and again the garbage reporting standards of Indian media and yet fanboys still start jumping up and down over "news" coming out from these media sources...
but I'm glad u saw the light...so I assume u will not be using Indian media sources from now on...right? I've seen many fanboys use this excuse of "journalist's mistake" only when something blows up in their face and then they r right back to treating the next news from the same trash media source as the truth.

Anyways official press briefing has happened. Its 11k sorties , out of which 9K combat sorties. I am assuming majority of combat sorties happened in western border. And yes this is a stunning number ! in less than 10 days. While we are at it , here is official statement on serviceability ( see attached).

You dont need to be a einstein to figure this out. Its a tactic that Red army has used very efficiently. Overwhelm the enemy with every asset possible. Its ancient battlefield tactic - use numbers and in this quality as well to overwhelm opponent.

Great...u pointed out the obvious. That's not what most ppl here are asking. According to some Indians, the objective of this exercise was "in case of a two front war...use overwhelming numbers to neutralize the western front in two days so that the focus can be on China next"

The question is...if it was a two front war...what would China do in those two days? Just sit tight and wait for u to finish up?
If IAF dedicated all or a majority of its assets towards Pak, that would be a golden opportunity for PLAAF with its huge number to deal severe damage to Indian bases, infrastructure, missile sites, etc. Would IAF let them go unchecked?
I don't think IAF is that stupid. In a two front war, IAF would be hard pressed not just bcuz of a threat from two fronts but also bcuz of huge number of PLAAF jets.
- If IAF diverts a majority of its assets to neutralize PAF in order to eliminate a second front then its giving PLAAF a free hand to have its way with Indian skies for that duration. During this time PLAAF can take out Indian SAMs, radars, ground control stations, etc...developing a lasting and decisive advantage for the rest of the war.
- If IAF proportionally divides its asset to face off against PLAAF and PAF, then that means a large portion of it will be dedicated to counter PLAAF and there goes all the hope of quickly eliminating the second front of PAF.

In any case...I've only heard of this 2 day overwhelming with numbers strategy on the western front from fanboys so far. I would rather want to know from a more official source as to what the objectives were and how they were carried out.

 

[MimophantSlayer]

Dense beyond belief or habitual denial to save tiny ego, Pakistan may have asked but who did the Americans really helped is no rocket science and then there were Israelis,

They helped you of course, as from the article I posted and several others you can google any day.
US intervention like always saved you from being obliterated by us, no wonder Sharif went crying to daddy Clinton.

But then again pakistanis are famous for their historic revisionism and losing wars after starting them.

Damn we were also stunned when India placed an order for 126 or just 36 Rafales, we were also stunned when IAF claimed a 12-0 victory in the Indradhanush Cricket match....but hey it takes a true brave nation like India to make the racket on mere 8 F-16s and if it wasn't for PDF, you creatures will forever believe and live under notion that two fronts have been run over and Modi has made it into Guiness book with 56'' rips

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You were stunned, you just don't have enough hold or diplomatic clout to protest about it like we can.
Also, where were those mighty EFF-SOLA during Kargil, clearly you lot could have bested us anyday with it, right?

And don't you worry, we know how indifferent pakistani pdfians are; you lot aren't actually stunned or scared, after all you don't make dozen other thread discussing or trolling about these excerises to sate your fear.
Noooo, because if you had done that it would suggest you are "stunned"

Really, wasn't the IAF was forced to eat it's own words once the RAF threatened to reveal the actual outcome of the exercise,
Sources in the RAF are calling Indian claims of superiority in the air "comical" while ridiculing reports that the Indian pilots flying Sukhoi Su-30 MKI fighter aircraft defeated the RAF Typhoon aircraft not only in one-on-one combat, but also when pitted against two Typhoons.
A RAF source told The Independent that the claims cited in Indian media were clearly designed for the "domestic audience".

Meanwhile a spokesperson for the RAF said: "Our analysis does not match what has been reported, RAF pilots and the Typhoon performed well throughout the exercise with and against the Indian Air Force.
And No, it wasn't any unnamed source but the IAF contingent leader boasting on the National TV.....with the same false bravado that runs through Indian psyche entwined with bollywood.

In an interview to NDTV, the IAF Commander for the exercise, Group Captain Ashu Srivastav, said the performance of his pilots was “exceptional”. He also claimed his contingent scored a 12-0 victory against the RAF fighters in a series of aerial dogfight scenarios. This included one in which an Su-30 engaged two Typhoons, and the IAF fighter emerged winner, ‘shooting down’ both ‘enemy’ jets.

Can't help yourself from lying through your teeth can you?

The 12-0 figures were from unnamed sources.PERIOD.

Group Captain Ashu Srivastav never said anything about the numbers, here is the original article.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indian-air-forces-top-guns-score-wins-in-the-uk-1204336

You can cry all you want, won't change the sortie rates in Gagan Shakti.
Until then, keep marinating in your dread.

 

[noksss]

Yes hold on to your pants since China also said something else as well.

India wants to be 'most beautiful woman' wooed by all: Chinese media
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-woman-Chinese-media/articleshow/51873110.cms



Yup just as in Kargil, a party or two to save India's neck.

And going on National TV and chest thumping only to be ridiculed by the other side is certainly going to win you victories.....or as in this case, who can beat you in a one horse race.....Indian logic.

Hope you guys to hold on to yours

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/world/asia/02china.html

But the fact of the matter is Chinese being a rival has acknowledged the efforts put in by IAF for the exercise , now if that adds more to your b@tthurt its perfectly all right and understandable

 

[HariPrasad]

And the OP news item proves it that it's not the truth

Why would media just pick out a figure and take the word of any Prem, Preety or Patil.

I doubt even that figure is correct, and even if one was to believe this then it means 5000 in first three days and 6000 in 12 days.....so IAF couldn't sustain the rate and although over3 times the size of PAF, it only generated 1.5 in sortie ratio.....also keep in mind PAF achieved those figures over a decade ago.

The objective of exercise was to flatten enemy asset on western front in first 2 to 3 days and then move these assets on eastern front. So sorties in first 2-3 days were higher.

exactly my point. sorties depend on mission requirements.
indian air force took it to maximum possible.


just one question:
1) how do you know that in two days one enemy will be total flatten by indian air force and until that the other enemy won't attack you?


ye tab b nhi sochte. balke us se b lambi chor dete han.

This is a simulation considering the possible war scenario and strength of enemy. What is so surprising about this which you do not understand? Every Airforce does this only. Pakistan airforce also does the same.

 

[Daghalodi]

The objective of exercise was to flatten enemy asset on western front in first 2 to 3 days and then move these assets on eastern front. So sorties in first 2-3 days were higher.



This is a simulation considering the possible war scenario and strength of enemy. What is so surprising about this which you do not understand? Every Airforce does this only. Pakistan airforce also does the same.

So in a two front war while you flatten western side in two days the chinese are going to clap and cheer for you till you move your assets towards china?
LOL