IAF bombshell: Difficult to tackle China-Pak threat

[Abingdonboy]

Typical over-hypeing done by Indian media.

This bit doesn't seem to have been factored into the general tone of the article:

that a "collusive threat" from China and Pakistan would be difficult to tackle but the air force was prepared for it.

Obviosuly the IAF is talking about the current situation wherein they are quite below even their sanctioned strength and have the Mig-21s/27s still in service. Within a decade or so the situation will be VERY different with the FGFA, LCA and Rafale all having been inducted and the MiGs gone. By 2025 the IAF will reach it's sanctions strength of 42 SQDs and by 2030 they have projected 47-50 SQDs.

And people don't seem to understand the context within which this was said. This wasn't the IAF issuing a statement or the IAF making a bunch of noise in the press, this was a comment made to the Parliamentary standing committee on defence which is a REGULAR occurrence. Naturally this is also the IAF's way of highlighting their very real desire to get the Rafale.

The Indian government said: "There is no money left."

'There is no money left': Govt delays Rafale fighter jet deal - The Times of India

I don't get it, if they already "budgeted" for the first payment of the Rafale order (about 1-2 billion USD), then how come there is no money left?

The whole point of budgeting is to set aside the money for the right things. But when they looked, there was no money left? What's going on?

There is "no money left" for THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR ending March 31st 2014, the Indian Finance minister himself has already said the defence budget for the FY2014-15 ending March 2015 HAS allocations for the Rafale deal.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

There is "no money left" for THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR ending March 31st 2014, the Indian Finance minister himself has already said the defence budget for the FY2014-15 ending March 2015 HAS allocations for the Rafale deal.

Yet it was "budgeted" for THIS current fiscal year.

Hence the deal being "delayed", due to there being no money left in the budget.

How does something get budgeted, and then when time comes to pay up, there is no money left? If it was budgeted, the money should have been there.

 

[Abingdonboy]

And it was "budgeted" for this current fiscal year.

Hence the deal being "delayed", due to there being no money left in the budget.

How does something get budgeted, and then when time comes to pay up, there is no money left? If it was budgeted, the money should have been there.

I wondered the same but from asking certain people it seems this a result of timelines slipping so the ring-fenced budget for the Rafale deal was allocated to other purchases and to certain other activities as it was clear the deal wasn't ready to be signed before March 31st and won't be. It use still a few months away from that point so there was no point in keeping those billions just sat there unspent.

 

[Alphacharlie]

GOOD-ONE TOP BRASS......

THROW SOME BEANS & SHIT THE SCARE OUT OF BABUS.....

RESULTING IN MORE FUNDS....

 

[Cyberian]

Whatever happened to India's official "Cold Start" doctrine where they had dreamt of obliterating Pakistan and China simultaneously within hours... no, I think it was minutes... or maybe, it was seconds?

Shaikh Chillion kay khwab bi niralay hotay hain.

 

[Superboy]

The Indian government said: "There is no money left."

'There is no money left': Govt delays Rafale fighter jet deal - The Times of India

I don't get it, if they already "budgeted" for the first payment of the Rafale order (about 1-2 billion USD), then how come there is no money left?

The whole point of budgeting is to set aside the money for the right things. But when they looked, there was no money left? What's going on?

It's a lump sum payment. 30 million USD for 126 Rafales or no deal.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

It's a lump sum payment. 30 million USD for 126 Rafales or no deal.

I think there is an error in the math there...

 

[ThisIsAllBS!]

two-front war?

iaf needs to stop pissing in pants and indians need to focus more on their poors and toiletless peoples..

PAF will only attack india if india decides to attack Pakistan first. Other than that, all PAF fighter jets would be used to defend Pakistani Airspace...

iaf is good enough to fight PAF...its no way near Chinese Air Force which would have the industrial backing on Chinese aviation industry...

 

[Superboy]

Typical over-hypeing done by Indian media.

This bit doesn't seem to have been factored into the general tone of the article:



Obviosuly the IAF is talking about the current situation wherein they are quite below even their sanctioned strength and have the Mig-21s/27s still in service. Within a decade or so the situation will be VERY different with the FGFA, LCA and Rafale all having been inducted and the MiGs gone. By 2025 the IAF will reach it's sanctions strength of 42 SQDs and by 2030 they have projected 47-50 SQDs.

And people don't seem to understand the context within which this was said. This wasn't the IAF issuing a statement or the IAF making a bunch of noise in the press, this was a comment made to the Parliamentary standing committee on defence which is a REGULAR occurrence. Naturally this is also the IAF's way of highlighting their very real desire to get the Rafale.


There is "no money left" for THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR ending March 31st 2014, the Indian Finance minister himself has already said the defence budget for the FY2014-15 ending March 2015 HAS allocations for the Rafale deal.

As if other countries stand still while IAF progresses. J-20 is coming very soon and it'll be a game changer. Only FGFA can counter J-20 in the foreseeable future. J-10B is already in full rate serial production. Rafale is still nowhere in sight, just like that Keystone XL north leg pipeline. J-20 first flight January 2011. FGFA is still years from first flight. By the time Tejas Mk 2 makes first flight, PAF would already have a number of JF-17 squadrons in place. Right now, it's IAF that's playing catch up while PLAAF and PAF rolls full steam ahead. If I were the IAF chief, I'd be anxious too.

 

[Bhasad Singh Mundi]

Yet it was "budgeted" for THIS current fiscal year.

Hence the deal being "delayed", due to there being no money left in the budget.

How does something get budgeted, and then when time comes to pay up, there is no money left? If it was budgeted, the money should have been there.

GOI is reducing the deficit by not spending

As if other countries stand still while IAF progresses. J-20 is coming very soon and it'll be a game changer. Only FGFA can counter J-20 in the foreseeable future. J-10B is already in full rate serial production. Rafale is still nowhere in sight, just like that Keystone XL north leg pipeline. J-20 first flight January 2011. FGFA is still years from first flight. By the time Tejas Mk 2 makes first flight, PAF would already have a number of JF-17 squadrons in place. Right now, it's IAF that's playing catch up while PLAAF and PAF rolls full steam ahead. If I were the IAF chief, I'd be anxious too.

J20 is over hyped, just like j10, 10 a , 10b, 10 c, 10 d .....etc. It takes time to build a fifth gen fighter plane. US with decades of aerospace experience and an operational 5th gen fighter still struggling with F35. Here we have chinese fan boys claiming the invincibility of j20 without having any concrete data.

 

[acid rain]

As if other countries stand still while IAF progresses. J-20 is coming very soon and it'll be a game changer. Only FGFA can counter J-20 in the foreseeable future. J-10B is already in full rate serial production. Rafale is still nowhere in sight, just like that Keystone XL north leg pipeline. J-20 first flight January 2011. FGFA is still years from first flight. By the time Tejas Mk 2 makes first flight, PAF would already have a number of JF-17 squadrons in place. Right now, it's IAF that's playing catch up while PLAAF and PAF rolls full steam ahead. If I were the IAF chief, I'd be anxious too.

I dont think the IAF is particularly worried about the Chinese tin cans that hasnt seen any orders or any combat or any joint excercises...its the F16's and the Sukhois in PAF and PLAFF that are a worrying factor.

 

[Superboy]

GOI is reducing the deficit by not spending



J20 is over hyped, just like j10, 10 a , 10b, 10 c, 10 d .....etc. It takes time to build a fifth gen fighter plane. US with decades of aerospace experience and an operational 5th gen fighter still struggling with F35. Here we have chinese fan boys claiming the invincibility of j20 without having any concrete data.

J-20 has been under development since the late 1990s. It wasn't done overnight. J-20 is equipped with the best and most advanced internal weapons bays out there. Internal weapons bays increase aerodynamics, increasing speed, maneuverability, and range, also decreases RCS. EOTS enables J-20 to literally see and shoot behind it. Rafale is no match for J-20. Only FGFA can go up against J-20, or F-35 if IAF chooses to buy that.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I dont think the IAF is particularly worried about the Chinese tin cans that hasnt seen any orders or any combat or any joint excercises...its the F16's and the Sukhois in PAF and PLAFF that are a worrying factor.

Keep on underestimating everything about us, while your growth rate collapses to 4% and you run out of money for even the first payment on the Rafale.

 

[Zarvan]

The Indian Air Force has dropped a bomb with its alarming admission that it will be difficult for it to tackle a combined threat from China and Pakistan, raising questions about the country's ability to fight a two-front war.

The IAF has told a Parliamentary panel that Pakistan would certainly fish in troubled waters if China were to launch offensive operations against India. It, however, stressed that China may not pose "a collusive threat" if hostilities were to break out between India and Pakistan.

Setting off alarm bells, a senior IAF officer informed the Parliamentary standing committee on defence that a "collusive threat" from China and Pakistan would be difficult to tackle but the air force was prepared for it.

"We have made plans in case of contingency-III (two-front war)," he said, adding that India had upgraded its policy against China from dissuasion to deterrence.

The IAF currently operates 34 fighter squadrons, against a desirable 42. In a report tabled in Parliament on Tuesday, the panel asked the IAF to scale up its capabilities by speeding up the acquisition of 126 French Rafale fighters, a deal worth Rs. 120,000 crore.

The panel flagged concerns about poor border infrastructure on the Indian side, at a time when China has ramped road, rail and air connectivity across the line of actual control (LAC).

The panel warned that the pace of China's military modernisation and infrastructure development had affected the "strategic balance" between the two countries.

"Our defence forces must develop the capability to fight a multi-front war," the panel said. India is years behind the Chinese military with the neighbour currently outnumbering the country's combat power by a 3:1 ratio. India's hopes to bridge the gap in the next 15 years hinge on availability of funds.

Finance minister P Chidambaram on Monday announced that the defence budget for 2014-15 had been hiked from Rs. 203,672 crore to Rs. 224, 000 crore, a 10% increase over last fiscal's outlay.

However, the meagre increase in the capital expenditure could hit the modernisation plans of the armed forces. The capital outlay has been increased from Rs. 86,740 crore to Rs. 89,587 crore in the interim budget for 2014-15, a hike of barely 3.2%.

China's official, but underreported, defence budget for 2013-14 stands at Rs. 594,000 crore.

IAF bombshell: Difficult to tackle China-Pak threat - Hindustan Times

Our economy is in trouble right now other wise only from Pakistan side soon the threat would double and India will face the music soon so better if India resolves Kashmir and other issues

 

[kaykay]

Good way to make them sign Rafale asap. LOLs

Our economy is in trouble right now other wise only from Pakistan side soon the threat would double and India will face the music soon so better if India resolves Kashmir and other issues

Where were you when your economy was going good in 2007-2008? Kashmir rahega Hindustan!!